I think we need one more receiver

[3-4ravdef509]

yea me too. This is his contract year and to think he has the exact same problems he did in his rookie year shows me everything I need to know. He is getting outplayed by someone who is 10 years older than him. I like Torrey, but he is to invisible for me.

It seems like every game, Torrey either drops a touchdown, or does something stupid to cause a pick like today.

[Ravenslifer]

yea me too. This is his contract year and to think he has the exact same problems he did in his rookie year shows me everything I need to know. He is getting outplayed by someone who is 10 years older than him. I like Torrey, but he is to invisible for me.

 

Agreed - he's Robin, a very good Robin, but he's still not Batman, not the guy you can count on game in and game out.  Hate to say it but even Derrick Mason was a better receiver during his time here than Torrey has ever been.

[Raving_Heathen]

Agreed - he's Robin, a very good Robin, but he's still not Batman, not the guy you can count on game in and game out.  Hate to say it but even Derrick Mason was a better receiver during his time here than Torrey has ever been.

 

Mase and his comeback routes were money!

 

As far as Torrey, he seems like a genuinely great human being, but it's becoming evident that he's a one-trick pony. If I were Flacco, I'd never throw to him on those timing routes... or jump balls... or basically any other instance where someone's on him.

[BSHU_Miami]

At this point, do we even offer torrey a contract? I think we should Michael Oher him. We need 3 more WR's Brown aint worth nothing, Jacoby lost his only weapon SPEED and Torrey is only with one thing SPEED. We have no savvy route runner on this team or no big redzone threat. No dependable WR with hands (I think camp can be the guy but he's not established). We need to INVEST IN THIS POSITION. 

[akacrow]

We need a freaking corner or we are dead in the water this season.

[reed20]

I can go without torrey. We need to really find a way towards a star wide out that can play with flacco for many years to come

[Valid1]

We do need one more receiver. Particullarly a player who can high point the ball, convert 3rd downs, and be a viable red zone threat. We have need a WR of some sort or another for 15 years solid except for a 4 game stretch during the Superbowl run. I doubt the team address this issue as we never have before. 

[kassaiscool]

At this point, do we even offer torrey a contract? I think we should Michael Oher him. We need 3 more WR's Brown aint worth nothing, Jacoby lost his only weapon SPEED and Torrey is only with one thing SPEED. We have no savvy route runner on this team or no big redzone threat. No dependable WR with hands (I think camp can be the guy but he's not established). We need to INVEST IN THIS POSITION. 

 

I do like camp, but he is highly susceptible to injury.

[ravensnick]

Agreed - he's Robin, a very good Robin, but he's still not Batman, not the guy you can count on game in and game out.  Hate to say it but even Derrick Mason was a better receiver during his time here than Torrey has ever been.

He hasn't even been a good or even decent robin this year. And Mason was a great receiver, had he joe throwing him the ball more, he would have had top of the league numbers.

[ravensnick]

At this point, do we even offer torrey a contract? I think we should Michael Oher him. We need 3 more WR's Brown aint worth nothing, Jacoby lost his only weapon SPEED and Torrey is only with one thing SPEED. We have no savvy route runner on this team or no big redzone threat. No dependable WR with hands (I think camp can be the guy but he's not established). We need to INVEST IN THIS POSITION. 

Very well said. I agree. Torrey certainly wasn't a bust but its best for both the team and Torrey to split paths.

[ravensnick]

We do need one more receiver. Particullarly a player who can high point the ball, convert 3rd downs, and be a viable red zone threat. We have need a WR of some sort or another for 15 years solid except for a 4 game stretch during the Superbowl run. I doubt the team address this issue as we never have before. 

Well, it a great WR (arguible better than last year great one). we shall see.

[Bravens292]

Too much depth but no quality. Its good enough to beat bad teams but you need your guys to step up on the road against good Defenses and the only person we have that can do that is a 35 year old. You get what you see with Torrey. He will never be better than he is now. As hard as it to move on from him because he's such a class act, it would probably be better for the team to do that. Jacoby taking a gigantic step back from 2012 til now doesn't help either. We need weapons, badly.

[redlobster]

Very well said. I agree. Torrey certainly wasn't a bust but its best for both the team and Torrey to split paths.

They won't split from Torrey unless he wants outrageous money

[3-4ravdef509]

I'd resign Torrey if he came cheap enough.

Actually, can we cut Jones and give Torrey that contract? Lol.

[ravensnick]

They won't split from Torrey unless he wants outrageous money

He has played terribly. he will likely be decently expensive. Lots of good young cheap receivers in the draft.

[ravensnick]

I'd resign Torrey if he came cheap enough.

Actually, can we cut Jones and give Torrey that contract? Lol.

That would be amazing actually.

[jazz1988]

It seems like every game, Torrey either drops a touchdown, or does something stupid to cause a pick like today.

 

It look like Torrey Smith got hit in the head bad which may have cause him to be concussed . Not sure what he was suppose to do after getting hit in head im sure you would stop running route to if the same happen to you.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

It look like Torrey Smith got hit in the head bad which may have cause him to be concussed . Not sure what he was suppose to do after getting hit in head im sure you would stop running route to if the same happen to you.

 

But the reason why he got hit in the head is because right before he crossed behind the other WR, he turned to look for the ball and never saw the other WR's defender coming right at him. There's no reason for him to expect Joe to throw the ball to him before he's cleared the other WR, so he shouldn't have had his head turned that early. But that's one of Torrey's issues this season: turning to look for the ball far too early, and in doing so, both giving away the route to the secondary and Torrey slowing down when he looks back early (which negates his one strength as a player:his speed.)

[rmcjacket23]

He has played terribly. he will likely be decently expensive. Lots of good young cheap receivers in the draft.

And that may be true, except this franchise is notorious for doing quite poorly in the draft with receivers.

 

We had this exact same discussion almost five years ago... when we drafted Torrey Smith.

[3-4ravdef509]

It look like Torrey Smith got hit in the head bad which may have cause him to be concussed . Not sure what he was suppose to do after getting hit in head im sure you would stop running route to if the same happen to you.

Didn't see that. Wasn't in the room.

Doesn't change anything else I said

[kassaiscool]

Since the Ravens have been around, have we ever drafted a consistently good WR? The steelers got Holmes at the end of the first round, Mike Wallace in the third round, Antonio Brown in the 6th freakin round, Markus Wheaton in the third round, and even the cheap shot artist Hines ward in the third round. Oh yea I forgot Emmanuel Sanders who is lighting it up with Peyton in the 3rd round. And who have the Ravens drafted at Wide out? That's really alarming.

[BSHU_Miami]

Since the Ravens have been around, have we ever drafted a consistently good WR? The steelers got Holmes at the end of the first round, Mike Wallace in the third round, Antonio Brown in the 6th freakin round, Markus Wheaton in the third round, and even the cheap shot artist Hines ward in the third round. Oh yea I forgot Emmanuel Sanders who is lighting it up with Peyton in the 3rd round. And who have the Ravens drafted at Wide out? That's really alarming.

its incredible how we undervalue the position. Signing old vets and UDFA's to be out playmakers is not the way to go anymore. Never get the perfect mix. 2010 we had 3 possession guys, then we have 2 speed guys with out possession wr. Then we trade our possession WR and have 1 speed guy. Now we have an old speedy guy and trash behind him

[kassaiscool]

its incredible how we undervalue the position. Signing old vets and UDFA's to be out playmakers is not the way to go anymore. Never get the perfect mix. 2010 we had 3 possession guys, then we have 2 speed guys with out possession wr. Then we trade our possession WR and have 1 speed guy. Now we have an old speedy guy and trash behind him

Yep, we have no vision at WR. After the Steelers, Bengals, and toss up against the Browns until they get Gordon back we will have the weakest Wr core in the division. While everyone has been yelling at the F.O to start getting better wide receivers. Once Steve Smith actually starts playing his age, we will have nothing at the position.

[StingerNLG]

It think the team was expecting Torrey Smith to grow in that second year and become that #1 receiver that they could build the rest of the corps around, but he's just shown that he's not a route runner.   And the problem is that teams know the only thing he can do at this point is run downfield.   You put a fast CB on him all game and you take him out completely.   He has 308 yards all year.   ALL YEAR.

 

He had ZERO catches today.   Think about that.   In a big division game, he had as many catches today as AJ Green did.  

 

I like our younger guys, Aiken and Campanaro.   But Camp just got hurt, and Aiken has to learn to dive and catch balls with his hands.  

 

Jacoby Jones?   Yeah.

 

Steve Smith isn't showing his age yet, but now he's drawing double teams because defenses don't respect Torrey Smith.   He had 3 catches today but only 35 yards.  

 

Is Owen Daniels going to be healthy in the next couple weeks?   He's older and he just had a knee scope.   Who thinks he's playing next Sunday night?   That leaves Crockett Gilmore who just got two targets for 23 yards, and Philip Supernaw who did an awesome job of making sure the bench didn't get up and walk away.    Did he play a single snap today?

 

Speaking of, did Marlon Brown play?   Oh yeah, 1 catch for 2 yards.  

 

I am just not sure what is going on here.   How do you fix it?

[Alaska Alaska!]

 

 

I am just not sure what is going on here.   How do you fix it?

Everyone wants to draft a first round WR, but Ozzie just isn't good at picking WR.  How can we fix our issues then?  Free agency. Free agency got us Boldin, Smith Sr, and others.  All we need are reliable receivers that will catch/contest for the ball.  

[ravensdfan]

So I see Torrey being gone - we're not going to pay him anything substantial.

 

Could we just maybe spend at least one high pick on a WR this draft?  Our below average receiving corps is definitely holding us back right now.

[Alaska Alaska!]

So I see Torrey being gone - we're not going to pay him anything substantial.

 

Could we just maybe spend at least one high pick on a WR this draft?  Our below average receiving corps is definitely holding us back right now.

Honestly, if the DBs just held the Bengals to a field goal in the 4th quarter when the Ravens still had the lead, we would have won the game.  Rather Ozzie focus on getting good talent in the secondary than a WR.  You can find decent receivers in free agency. Just look at Miles Austin and the Browns.  

[StingerNLG]

Everyone wants to draft a first round WR, but Ozzie just isn't good at picking WR.  How can we fix our issues then?  Free agency. Free agency got us Boldin, Smith Sr, and others.  All we need are reliable receivers that will catch/contest for the ball.  

 

 

But the problem is these are just stopgaps.   They are old before they get here and then we keep them for a year or two and then send them off.   Steve Smith is 2 years MAX.   Then what?  

 

And I think Torrey is back.  If he wants #1 money no team in the league is going to pay it.   He's going to get #2 money here and will probably be pushed down the chart if the Ravens get a legitimate playmaker receiver from somewhere.

 

 

So I see Torrey being gone - we're not going to pay him anything substantial.

 

Could we just maybe spend at least one high pick on a WR this draft?  Our below average receiving corps is definitely holding us back right now.

 

But they have to do better with those too.   Remember what other 1st round picks we got at WR?   Travis Taylor and Mark Clayton.   The Ravens need to get a stud next year and maybe it's time to break the "best player available" rule to get him.

[ravensdfan]

Honestly, if the DBs just held the Bengals to a field goal in the 4th quarter when the Ravens still had the lead, we would have won the game.  Rather Ozzie focus on getting good talent in the secondary than a WR.  You can find decent receivers in free agency. Just look at Miles Austin and the Browns.  

 

And if Aiken makes that TD catch or if he doesn't slow down on that bomb. Then we win. If any one of our receivers other than Smith Sr could get separation, then we win.

 

If we stop playing prevent & take our chances, because as much as Franks got abused, when we actually blitzed he nearly had a critical INT. That is how it works. We have to stop playing scared all the time on defense.

 

We are in need of an actual WR. We can draft defense too - but we need a real WR. Smith SR won't be here long.

[Alaska Alaska!]

But the problem is these are just stopgaps.   They are old before they get here and then we keep them for a year or two and then send them off.   Steve Smith is 2 years MAX.   Then what?  

 

That's fine with me.  NE seems to be doing just fine.  The Bears on the other hand don't seem to be doing well at all.  Boldin served his purpose while he was here.  We don't need keepers, we just need people who can help us get the job done for the season