I think we need one more receiver

[redrum52]

Who is this infamous Ed Dixon? Is he related to Anquan Boulden?

Maybe he's that Deen Peas character's half brother?

He's essentially a 1 year rental. Rice cap hit, and re-signings will probably kill us along with Flacco and Ngata. Will be an interesting off season.

[K-Dog]

correct me if I am wrong but on Joes record setting Sunday did he not throw a TD to five different receivers ?

[CalvinSmoke]

One bad throw...one bad route by receiver...all other throws that weren't completed were either A. dropped B. thrown away intentiionally or C. thrown while running for his life

lol nah Joe left a few plays on the field that I'm sure even he would admit to. The PI that Torrey drew in the first half would have been a TD if he didn't underthrow it. I'm not tryna bash Joe I'm just saying if those throws don't get away from him we would have had yet another blow out on our hands.

[3-4ravdef509]

lol nah Joe left a few plays on the field that I'm sure even he would admit to. The PI that Torrey drew in the first half would have been a TD if he didn't underthrow it. I'm not tryna bash Joe I'm just saying if those throws don't get away from him we would have had yet another blow out on our hands.

Every qb leaves a few plays on the field every game. But the ones he missed Sunday, like the one you mentioned, practically had no consequence

[1/28/01]

correct me if I am wrong but on Joes record setting Sunday did he not throw a TD to five different receivers ?

Torrey had 2. So Joe threw TDs to 4 different receivers.

[CalvinSmoke]

Every qb leaves a few plays on the field every game. But the ones he missed Sunday, like the one you mentioned, practically had no consequence

sure it didn't hurt us we won the game. I'm happy about that, but Joe could've done better, I hate the Falcons and Matt Ryan and I'm sure Joe looks at it as a rivalry. On top of that I believe him to be a top quarterback in this league and i hate for his good to get in the way of his great.

[K-Dog]

Torrey had 2. So Joe threw TDs to 4 different receivers.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

My point stands.

[Runnin Raven]

If Flacco's throws were consistent on Sunday he would have had another big day, even though Atlanta's defense made us look predictable.

Not making excuses for Joe - he needs to play more consistently -  but there were like 30 mph winds at times during the game I think.  Not sure how much that may have played into errant throws, although the guy has a cannon that should be able to cut through all that pretty well.

[hawkprey]

In my very hasty estimation:

 

There are at least 10 receivers in this league that are absolutely ridiculously good.

Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Jordy Neson, Alshon Jeffery, Brandon Marshall, Demarius Thomas, Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, and Antonio Brown.

 

10 more who are still top quality but not outright incredible.

TY Hilton, Reggie Wayne, Michael Crabtree, Desean Jackson, Vincent Jackson, Larry Fitzgerald, Golden Tate, Roddy White, Marques Colston, Randal Cobb

 

Then there are 10 more who are quality.

Emmanuel Sanders, Pierre Garcon, Michael Floyd, Eric Decker, Keenan Allen, Steve Smith, Dwayne Bowe, Mike Wallace, Anquan Boldin, Doug Baldwin.

 

There are a host of other receivers who are being held back by their quarterbacks and deserve mention. Behind them is Torrey Smith, who I can only safely say is in the top 60. Would we be worse off if we traded Torrey for someone like Kendall Wright or Mohammed Sanu? How about Terrence Williams or Rueben Randle? I personally want Torrey to be a Raven for life, but he hasn't yet proven that he can be the #1 of the future and we need more collectively from this position.

 

We need to take advantage of Flacco's strengths, and so far we have a fast receiver who can't get around defenders and a 5'9" receiver who is 35 years old. If we had one of those top-20 guys, we would be unstoppable.

[Ravenslifer]

I would agree to the extent that Steve Smith is not a long-term solution - we need a guy who can be like Steve Smith that's going to be here for the better part of a decade.  Hard to develop chemistry when every 3 years your receiving corps is completely different.  The problem is that we have had too many guys - Mason, Housh, Evans, Heap, Smith Sr., Clark, Stoke - who were just at the end of their careers, so by the time real chemistry between them and Joe develops e.g. 2-3 seasons of working together, they're gone.  I wouldn't add a guy at this point this year, but definitely in next year's draft we should find a long-term starter.

[GrimCoconut]

We definitely need a long-term answer. We don't have that in Steve Smith and it's hard to say we have that in Marlon Brown, Kamar Aiken, Michael Campanaro or Butler, who's on IR. I'm not ready to jump on the Aiken bandwagon even if he's had some nice plays here and there. It's also hard for me to really go all in on Marlon.

Torrey is no guarantee to return. If we lose Torrey, I think WR will be a huge need. I think it could a nice even with Torrey. There are many question marks at WR and it's to ascertain whether our WR corps is great or whether it benefits from the calls by Kubiak. Regardless, Steve Smith is the best we have and he's a bandaid.

[MoveThoseChains]

In my very hasty estimation:

 

There are at least 10 receivers in this league that are absolutely ridiculously good.

Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Jordy Neson, Alshon Jeffery, Brandon Marshall, Demarius Thomas, Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, and Antonio Brown.

 

10 more who are still top quality but not outright incredible.

TY Hilton, Reggie Wayne, Michael Crabtree, Desean Jackson, Vincent Jackson, Larry Fitzgerald, Golden Tate, Roddy White, Marques Colston, Randal Cobb

 

Then there are 10 more who are quality.

Emmanuel Sanders, Pierre Garcon, Michael Floyd, Eric Decker, Keenan Allen, Steve Smith, Dwayne Bowe, Mike Wallace, Anquan Boldin, Doug Baldwin.

 

There are a host of other receivers who are being held back by their quarterbacks and deserve mention. Behind them is Torrey Smith, who I can only safely say is in the top 60. Would we be worse off if we traded Torrey for someone like Kendall Wright or Mohammed Sanu? How about Terrence Williams or Rueben Randle? I personally want Torrey to be a Raven for life, but he hasn't yet proven that he can be the #1 of the future and we need more collectively from this position.

 

We need to take advantage of Flacco's strengths, and so far we have a fast receiver who can't get around defenders and a 5'9" receiver who is 35 years old. If we had one of those top-20 guys, we would be unstoppable.

 

To say Torrey is "a fast receiver who can't get around defenders" would be selling him way short. He leads the league in drawn pass interferences (7 I believe) which certainly helps the team, and he has proven himself to be a solid option as a receiver. Him and Q were a solid combo that helped us win a Super Bowl...Him and Steve are giving defenses trouble. Ravens are a hard-nosed, power football team. We pride ourselves on that. A top ten or 20 receiver would be extremely sweet, don't get me wrong. But that's never been our type of team. I'm very happy with Steve, Torrey, Owen, and the rest of our core right now. 

 

"We need to take advantage of Flacco's strengths." Flacco is having a career year. On pace for career high's in completion percentage, yards, touchdowns, average yard per pass, QBR, and rating, and on pace for a career low in turnovers. 

 

Your "very hasty estimates" are incorrect in my opinion.

[omar586]

i think we're fine with WRs corp. for right now, if we keep finding gems in UDFAs pool for depth will b fine, we have SSS, torrey, marlon, aiken, camp, JJ, and there's only one ball , so......

[Maryland]

It's funny because our current receiving corps is very similar to the one that won the SB; just replace Boldin with SS89 and Pitta with OD. I would say the drop off in talent is non-existent. And if you want to throw RB into the comparison, Forsett's 5.8 ypc is better than 2012 Rice's 4.4, and his 88 total yards per game is almost as good as Rice's 101. Plus Forsett is wayyy better than Rice at pass protection. 

 

That being said, I would LOVE to select a WR in one of the first two rounds of the draft next year. Kevin White is my favorite WR in this coming draft class, but you really couldn't go wrong with White, Cooper, or Strong in the first round. Stefon Diggs would also be an awesome homer pick to pair with Torrey. Diggs reminds me of Harvin, only without the mental issues. I wouldn't spend a first on Diggs though, unless he blows up the combine or explodes to end this season. Diggs would do well to learn behind SS89 for a year or two, if Ozzie decides to pick up the option on his contract. 

[RavensAllTheWay]

Trading for a WR now would be completely unnecessary.

[cushrinada1986]

I feel we need one more receiver to be one of the favorites to go to the super bowl. I really don't trust Torrey to produce game in and game out, and the only real dependable receiver we have is 35 years old. I think we need to make a trade for a good receiver on a losing team to really go deep into the playoffs. Maybe a Vincent Jackson or someone of that type of talent. The broncos look to have the AFC home field locked, but they have no run game whatsoever. Last time we played them in Denver in the playoffs it was about 10 degrees. We all know Peyton plays different in the playoffs and colder climates. Although their Defense has improved drastically, I think the AFC championship game will be in Denver.

I will agree that we may not have an AJ or Dez on our team but with a solid run game, and a stronger defense, we can make it back. Heck, its how we got there the first time, lolz. I think we just need a little more time to click as a team and once that happens and we smooth out that final roster for the playoffs(im not too sold on Jacoby this year), then we should be ready to roll come late January and beyond.....

[3-4ravdef509]

Joe has proven time and time again - give him time, it doesn't matter who he's throwing to for the most part.

 

Although he does excel with a run game.

 

Ofcourse, both those things are true to any quarterback.

[rmcjacket23]

I will agree that we may not have an AJ or Dez on our team but with a solid run game, and a stronger defense, we can make it back. Heck, its how we got there the first time, lolz. I think we just need a little more time to click as a team and once that happens and we smooth out that final roster for the playoffs(im not too sold on Jacoby this year), then we should be ready to roll come late January and beyond.....

I don't think there's any question that the Ravens (as well as many other teams in the league) can and will win a lot of football games and perhaps even SBs without an "elite" WR on their roster.

 

Ideally though, you'd like to see our franchise to actually start to draft and develop our own WRs, instead of consistently (at least in the Flacco era and probably since inception) depend on the Mason's, Boldin's, and Steve Smith's of the world to boost our receiving core.

 

The biggest advantage to drafting or developing a player that turns into an AJ Green type is the fact that they will play 4-5 years for your time and a ridiculously cheap price, given what they bring to the table.

 

Granted, the biggest disadvantage to drafting or developing a player that turns into an AJ Green type is that you will almost certainly inevitably have to pay them a large sum of money also.

 

Pros and cons to both sides, but regardless, getting a young stud all but guarantees that your team will be better for the duration of their early contract.

[JoeyFlex5]

i said it all offseason, marlon brown will have a sophomore slump, so much that he barely saw the field before he got injured. 

 

i am not on the draft yet, i dont know who the options are, but if we keep torrey, were gonna need a big physical guy, and this is HOPING that campanaro pans out and builds off of this good looking start hes had. 

 

we dont need a stud, we just need a well rounded group, we have always succeeded with that system, torrey may be a 1 trick pony, but he is damn good at what he does, which mostly seems to be drawing PI's lol. but if we have torrey, a typical slot guy, and a tough physical wr, then we have shown that we can and will be successful, as long as joe has time to throw. 

 

mohammed sanu was picked in the 2nd, keenan allen in the 3rd, just for example... we can find our guy without selling the house in the draft this year, BUT i dont want to see another 6th or 7th round WR or a UDFA everyone gets psyched about, we need to make a move at that position and soon, not a massive splash move, but a respectable move needs to be made.

[Inqui]

i am not on the draft yet, i dont know who the options are, but if we keep torrey, were gonna need a big physical guy, and this is HOPING that campanaro pans out and builds off of this good looking start hes had. 

You want to look at Jaelen Strong and, although I'm not as high on him as others here, Davante Parker.

[GrimCoconut]

i said it all offseason, marlon brown will have a sophomore slump, so much that he barely saw the field before he got injured.

i am not on the draft yet, i dont know who the options are, but if we keep torrey, were gonna need a big physical guy, and this is HOPING that campanaro pans out and builds off of this good looking start hes had.

we dont need a stud, we just need a well rounded group, we have always succeeded with that system, torrey may be a 1 trick pony, but he is damn good at what he does, which mostly seems to be drawing PI's lol. but if we have torrey, a typical slot guy, and a tough physical wr, then we have shown that we can and will be successful, as long as joe has time to throw.

mohammed sanu was picked in the 2nd, keenan allen in the 3rd, just for example... we can find our guy without selling the house in the draft this year, BUT i dont want to see another 6th or 7th round WR or a UDFA everyone gets psyched about, we need to make a move at that position and soon, not a massive splash move, but a respectable move needs to be made.

Not be that guy, but Sanu was a third round pick. Just speaks to the fact that you can find a good WR beyond the top two round.

[JoeyFlex5]

Not be that guy, but Sanu was a third round pick. Just speaks to the fact that you can find a good WR beyond the top two round.

well.. my mistake lol, but yea it just proves my point furtger 

[3-4ravdef509]

I feel we need one more receiver to be one of the favorites to go to the super bowl. I really don't trust Torrey to produce game in and game out, and the only real dependable receiver we have is 35 years old. I think we need to make a trade for a good receiver on a losing team to really go deep into the playoffs. Maybe a Vincent Jackson or someone of that type of talent. The broncos look to have the AFC home field locked, but they have no run game whatsoever. Last time we played them in Denver in the playoffs it was about 10 degrees. We all know Peyton plays different in the playoffs and colder climates. Although their Defense has improved drastically, I think the AFC championship game will be in Denver.

Completely agree now. Torrey is what he is. Like always, receivers can't beat physical man coverage. Pathetic

[Inqui]

Could be worth looking at a red zone weapon. That's been an issue for a couple of seasons now.

[kassaiscool]

Could be worth looking at a red zone weapon. That's been an issue for a couple of seasons now.

 

We need someone who is dependable route runner who can get open with different routes. Torrey is a one trick pony, who can't get off the line against a good corner. Derrick Mason was the master route runner.

[kassaiscool]

Completely agree now. Torrey is what he is. Like always, receivers can't beat physical man coverage. Pathetic

That's what my point was. Torrey is unreliable, and the rest of the guys are undrafted free agents who are also unreliable to produce game in and game out. Leaves Joe with Steven Smith who is 35 years old, and two tight ends who are injured.

[3-4ravdef509]

That's what my point was. Torrey is unreliable, and the rest of the guys are undrafted free agents who are also unreliable to produce game in and game out. Leaves Joe with Steven Smith who is 35 years old, and two tight ends who are injured.

Really disappointed. I thought Torrey would step it up.

[Static]

I think we need 5, because we don't have any.

[kassaiscool]

Really disappointed. I thought Torrey would step it up.

yea me too. This is his contract year and to think he has the exact same problems he did in his rookie year shows me everything I need to know. He is getting outplayed by someone who is 10 years older than him. I like Torrey, but he is to invisible for me.

[Static]

Torrey needs to skip town. I love him as a person but as a player. Please dude.