Official vent thread vs Falcons

[3-4ravdef509]

I don't know if it was single high, but I thought Alford was playing the safety role on the play as well

 

Well reading the post game interview quotes, he said he was in man coverage on somebody else and just got lucky and turned to see Joe was throwing to Daniels and came off his guy to make the play.

[hawkprey]

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2jtdrj/pffs_allstar_team_of_the_week_week_7/

 

PFF has Daryl Smith as an honorable mention( 4.8 ovr / 1.9 run/ 2.2 pass D) and certainly I trust their analyst more than Dewy's

 

"Breakdown: Up until this week Smith had been showing his age a bit this season, performing a step behind the dominant coverage linebacker we saw a year ago. Against the Falcons, however, he showed he can still move sideline-to-sideline with the best of them. The Falcons’ running scheme heavily featured pulling linemen and time after time Smith got to the point of attack before the linemen could. In coverage, Smith kept his four targets in front of him and allowed just three catches for 11 yards.

 

 

Signature Stat: Smith’s six stops were his most in a game since week 10 of last season."

 

 

 

I could make a weekly thread with all the PFF scores since I have access if ya'll would be interested in that?

I would, but I don't think you would be able to post information here that is supposed to cost money. Daryl has done well so far though. I was worried he'd fall off a cliff this year.

[3-4ravdef509]

it's every OC dream to get a guy as fast as Torrey in single coverage that far downfield with no safety help. What you are really saying is that you don't trust Torrey to beat single coverage...and at this point, it would be hard to disagree with that. I mean, it's not like Torrey was being covered by Sherman or Revis or something..

 

Idk. It's like feast or famine with Torrey and Man coverage. Sometimes he gets owned, but there are plenty of other times that we see Torrey make a play, like the touchdown at the end.

[3-4ravdef509]

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2jtdrj/pffs_allstar_team_of_the_week_week_7/

 

PFF has Daryl Smith as an honorable mention( 4.8 ovr / 1.9 run/ 2.2 pass D) and certainly I trust their analyst more than Dewy's

 

"Breakdown: Up until this week Smith had been showing his age a bit this season, performing a step behind the dominant coverage linebacker we saw a year ago. Against the Falcons, however, he showed he can still move sideline-to-sideline with the best of them. The Falcons’ running scheme heavily featured pulling linemen and time after time Smith got to the point of attack before the linemen could. In coverage, Smith kept his four targets in front of him and allowed just three catches for 11 yards.

 

 

Signature Stat: Smith’s six stops were his most in a game since week 10 of last season."

 

 

 

I could make a weekly thread with all the PFF scores since I have access if ya'll would be interested in that?

 

Would be very interested to see them, although the site posts them as well from time to time.

[gabefergy]

Are you sure Smith makes the calls? Apparently Upshaw made them for the Super Bowl team when Lewis went out, so I'm wondering if he still does it

I'm not sure where to go to verify it, but I know it's been mentioned several times from various sources. I'm about 99% certain of it.

[gabefergy]

So...your problem with our draft style is that it gives us depth? .

Depth is great, and not having any depth at CB has led to lots of problems at this point in the season. Having a 2nd round pick from a year ago as a healthy scratch every week is mildly troubling, especially after he had such a good preseason and by all accounts had progressed significantly from a quiet rookie campaign (although he was a pretty good sub-package player for us last season)

[gabefergy]

I thought he played better yesterday but  not completely sure. 

He did. Yesterday was his best game of the season by far. If he is going to keep playing like that all year, he shouldn't come off the field. If he reverts back to the way he has played for most of the season he shouldn't be taking every snap at ILB.

[balfan23]

Idk. It's like feast or famine with Torrey and Man coverage. Sometimes he gets owned, but there are plenty of other times that we see Torrey make a play, like the touchdown at the end.

Or the PI at the beginning... we don't get points on our fantasy teams and it doesn't show up in the stat sheet, but Smith did it again ... he beats his guy bad enough that they hang on for dear life and he draws a 40 yard+ flag. Game's first TD, which set the tone of the game, is largely due to his play. 

[Inqui]

Well, they sort of do, when you're a MLB. Its really the only relevant statistic, because its not like MLBs are really in the business of sacks, interceptions or even forcing turnovers.

 

Making tackles is the #1 responsibility for every single defensive player who has ever played, regardless of position. Doesn't matter if you're a corner, end, tackle, safety or linebacker. If you can't tackle, you can't play.

I can agree with "sort of", but there's still a lot the stat doesn't take into account. If a guy just jumps on top of a pile after the carrier's already down, that may or may not count depending on who's on the sidelines ticking the stats sheet. If a guy gets blown up by a blocker at the point of contact but manages to catch up and help bring the carrier down, that counts but it doesn't necessarily reflect well on the tackler. If a guy is a bit slack in coverage and gives up an easy completion, that counts but again it doesn't mean he did well on that play (from memory Cary Williams led the team in tackles for a while because he kept giving up completions and would obviously be the first one to the scene).

 

Basically, a good tackle stat shows he's getting there, but it doesn't specify where "there" is or how quickly he got there. Just like the QBR, it's a nice stat to look at but the tape is 100000000000000000000 times better.

[Inqui]

So...your problem with our draft style is that it gives us depth? .

With the benefit of hindsight (although there were plenty of people here clamouring for them - for disclosure, myself not included) we'd have been better served with a CB or someone like Keenan Allen.

[BmoreBird22]

Well reading the post game interview quotes, he said he was in man coverage on somebody else and just got lucky and turned to see Joe was throwing to Daniels and came off his guy to make the play.

I thought that was Crockett...

I saw that, too, but there were definitely three defenders on that side of the field defending two players and who ever the tight end was drew one with them as one of the original three drifted toward the opposite side

[BmoreBird22]

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2jtdrj/pffs_allstar_team_of_the_week_week_7/

 

PFF has Daryl Smith as an honorable mention( 4.8 ovr / 1.9 run/ 2.2 pass D) and certainly I trust their analyst more than Dewy's

 

"Breakdown: Up until this week Smith had been showing his age a bit this season, performing a step behind the dominant coverage linebacker we saw a year ago. Against the Falcons, however, he showed he can still move sideline-to-sideline with the best of them. The Falcons’ running scheme heavily featured pulling linemen and time after time Smith got to the point of attack before the linemen could. In coverage, Smith kept his four targets in front of him and allowed just three catches for 11 yards.

 

 

Signature Stat: Smith’s six stops were his most in a game since week 10 of last season."

 

 

 

I could make a weekly thread with all the PFF scores since I have access if ya'll would be interested in that?

That would be awesome, if you could

[BmoreBird22]

I'm not sure where to go to verify it, but I know it's been mentioned several times from various sources. I'm about 99% certain of it.

Well, either way, I'd rather have Smith making the calls than Brown or Mosley

[gabefergy]

Well, either way, I'd rather have Smith making the calls than Brown or Mosley

I don't think he is maki​ng any calls. He has the radio in his helmet and relays Pees playcalls to the team. I have no doubt Mosley could do this, but there is something to be said for having a veteran making sure everyone is on the same page.

[DomMcRaven]

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2jtdrj/pffs_allstar_team_of_the_week_week_7/

 

PFF has Daryl Smith as an honorable mention( 4.8 ovr / 1.9 run/ 2.2 pass D) and certainly I trust their analyst more than Dewy's

 

"Breakdown: Up until this week Smith had been showing his age a bit this season, performing a step behind the dominant coverage linebacker we saw a year ago. Against the Falcons, however, he showed he can still move sideline-to-sideline with the best of them. The Falcons’ running scheme heavily featured pulling linemen and time after time Smith got to the point of attack before the linemen could. In coverage, Smith kept his four targets in front of him and allowed just three catches for 11 yards.

 

 

Signature Stat: Smith’s six stops were his most in a game since week 10 of last season."

 

 

 

I could make a weekly thread with all the PFF scores since I have access if ya'll would be interested in that?

I'm interested!

[Static]

I would, but I don't think you would be able to post information here that is supposed to cost money. 

 

Thats true. Could I get a mod's thoughts on a PFF thread?

[3-4ravdef509]

I thought that was Crockett...

I saw that, too, but there were definitely three defenders on that side of the field defending two players and who ever the tight end was drew one with them as one of the original three drifted toward the opposite side

Yeah, went back it was Crockett.

Gotta believe Joe just goofed there and didn't do the math right (3 vs 2 ) or thought he had looked off the third defender.

Whatever the case, had Torrey caught a ball that I almost could have caught and scored an easy touchdown, no interception would have happened.

[lugie rave]

Jacoby will probably be gone after this season. Flacco's second INT really bothered me, didn't know what he was thinking. The first INT was partially on Torrey. QBs are going to throw it up on one on one coverage sometimes, he needs to learn to play the ball better. Other than that, we played well.

QBs do throw it up on one on one coverage.  It wasn't partially  on Torrey. The DB played the ball the way he was suppose to inside forcing Torrey to the outside. It was where the ball was thrown..

[Static]

The 1st one was 90% Torrey. Flacco was in his rhythm and so he did his Flacco thing and threw up a TD for Torrey. Not a great decision especially trusting Torrey to go get the ball the way he has been playing. But Worse plays have worked out.

 

 

Torrey had the corner reeling yet he cut outside and found himself boxed out by a corner and then Torrey didn't fight for the ball or anything just ran foward and watched the ball go nowhere near him. In that situation you should at least have the awareness to foul instead of an INT.

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, went back it was Crockett.

Gotta believe Joe just goofed there and didn't do the math right (3 vs 2 ) or thought he had looked off the third defender.

Whatever the case, had Torrey caught a ball that I almost could have caught and scored an easy touchdown, no interception would have happened.

I actually thought it was the right receiver to throw to, but Joe floated it. If you watch it, Crockett has a step on his defender and is working across the middle as the defender clearly trails him with no help. If Joe rifles it in there or throws sooner, it's likely a complete pass, or at the worst, an incomplete pass. Good decision on who to throw to, bad decision on how to try to fit it in there

[hawkprey]

Our offense is incredible.

1. We scored over 70 points the last two weeks with a 5th round rookie and UDFA rookie protecting Flacco's blindside.

2. Two free agents who most people probably didn't know were still in the league are our leading tight end and runningback.

3. Our leading receiver, who most people thought would be a decent complimentary piece at best, is 6th in the league in yards.

4. Our backup WRs, TE, and starting FB are rookies and 2nd year players who have never played a meaningful offensive snap before this year.

 

And yet they are one of the best offenses in the league.

[BmoreBird22]

Our offense is incredible.

1. We scored over 70 points the last two weeks with a 5th round rookie and UDFA rookie protecting Flacco's blindside.

2. Two free agents who most people probably didn't know were still in the league are our leading tight end and runningback.

3. Our leading receiver, who most people thought would be a decent complimentary piece at best, is 6th in the league in yards.

4. Our backup WRs, TE, and starting FB are rookies and 2nd year players who have never played a meaningful offensive snap before this year.

 

And yet they are one of the best offenses in the league.

It speaks volumes to the coaches for being able to develop this talent and Joe for being able to run the offense with so little familiarity and experience amongst all the players

[beasy2487]

Depth is great, and not having any depth at CB has led to lots of problems at this point in the season. Having a 2nd round pick from a year ago as a healthy scratch every week is mildly troubling, especially after he had such a good preseason and by all accounts had progressed significantly from a quiet rookie campaign (although he was a pretty good sub-package player for us last season)

 

 

With the benefit of hindsight (although there were plenty of people here clamouring for them - for disclosure, myself not included) we'd have been better served with a CB or someone like Keenan Allen.

 

There is no such thing. You can second guess literally every decision ever made "with the benefit of hindsight". You have to operate based on a philosophy. If you do not, you will make knee jerk decisions and while those may pan out in the near term (i.e. Trading your future for Julio Jones), in the long term they just don't work out (i.e. The present-day Falcons). To me, better to stick to the philosophy that got you there because over time you will be able to much more effectively assess and improve once the unknown future is realized.

 

Were Keenan Allen or a CB the difference (between winning and not winning a Super Bowl) last year? No. Will they be the difference this year? No. We could have a rash of injuries at any position, at any time. There is no possible way to have quality depth at every position. This year we have surpluses at safety, LB, and WR (go figure). Next year it will be different positions.

 

I guess my overall point is that our draft philosophy and the Arthur Brown situation are mutually exclusive. We can't have anticipated drafting Mosley, and we also can't leave a potential All Pro on the board at a position where there isn't a proven starter.

[PolishRifle]

I'd rate it as an average game, wasn't trying to pile on Joe. The 2nd pick is the one I have the biggest problem with. Bad throw and decision, but like I've said somewhere else, Torrey needs to make that catch. Those are plays where if you're playing a good team, we can't afford to lose.

 

Average sounds about right. Joe doesn't really have outright ugly games this season and Kubiak really made him a much more consistent QB. Man, I really hope he'll stay in Baltimore for atleast one more season.

I was always disappointed with Torrey's lack of physicality. Even, if you have Joe Montana as your QB, not all passes will be perfect and sometimes you will be asked to make a tough catch or fight for the ball. The real top WRs are making those. Torrey probably won't be getting the huge payday this offseason he hoped for.

[GrimCoconut]

Webb had a very poor game. He had a few nice plays, but overall he is not playing well. He allowed quite a few completions that were unnecessary. He's not bad, but he's definitely not the best CB on this team anymore and he's far removed from the time when he was able to shut guys down and not allow a TD in many games. 

[rmcjacket23]

I can agree with "sort of", but there's still a lot the stat doesn't take into account. If a guy just jumps on top of a pile after the carrier's already down, that may or may not count depending on who's on the sidelines ticking the stats sheet. If a guy gets blown up by a blocker at the point of contact but manages to catch up and help bring the carrier down, that counts but it doesn't necessarily reflect well on the tackler. If a guy is a bit slack in coverage and gives up an easy completion, that counts but again it doesn't mean he did well on that play (from memory Cary Williams led the team in tackles for a while because he kept giving up completions and would obviously be the first one to the scene).

 

Basically, a good tackle stat shows he's getting there, but it doesn't specify where "there" is or how quickly he got there. Just like the QBR, it's a nice stat to look at but the tape is 100000000000000000000 times better.

And that's fine, because even stats like sacks have some grey areas as well.

 

The point being... there's a lot of people who watch games and have no idea what they are looking at from a technique or scheme perspective. They may watch him only when he misses a tackle, or only when the announcer points out when he makes a good play and when he doesn't. That's how a ton of people assess how well somebody played that day.

 

I've said from the beginning of the season... CJ is what Daryl Smith was last season, and Smith is the second best MLB on the team obviously. To most fans, that's called regression or "playing poorly", when in reality, its simply not.

 

Bottom line... he's far, far, far from playing poorly enough where the coaching staff is likely even remotely considering reducing his playing time in favor of somebody else, and there's no reason to suggest that's happening anytime soon. I highly doubt that coaching staff or anybody in the organization for that matter is interested in sparking an irrelevant mid-season MLB competition between Brown and Smith.

[The Raven]

After 7 games CJ Mosely leads the defense w/ 63 tackles and Daryl Smith is right behind him w/ 58.  Clearly Daryl Smith is having a pretty poor season.  [/sarcasm]

 

Anyone with eyes can see that a great many of Daryl's tackles come 5+ yards down field or right after he blows a coverage.

[Inqui]

And that's fine, because even stats like sacks have some grey areas as well.

 

The point being... there's a lot of people who watch games and have no idea what they are looking at from a technique or scheme perspective. They may watch him only when he misses a tackle, or only when the announcer points out when he makes a good play and when he doesn't. That's how a ton of people assess how well somebody played that day.

 

I've said from the beginning of the season... CJ is what Daryl Smith was last season, and Smith is the second best MLB on the team obviously. To most fans, that's called regression or "playing poorly", when in reality, its simply not.

 

Bottom line... he's far, far, far from playing poorly enough where the coaching staff is likely even remotely considering reducing his playing time in favor of somebody else, and there's no reason to suggest that's happening anytime soon. I highly doubt that coaching staff or anybody in the organization for that matter is interested in sparking an irrelevant mid-season MLB competition between Brown and Smith.

Sure, but that stat on its own means pretty much nothing... which is all I initially said.

[HoldingCall]

Webb had a very poor game. He had a few nice plays, but overall he is not playing well. He allowed quite a few completions that were unnecessary. He's not bad, but he's definitely not the best CB on this team anymore and he's far removed from the time when he was able to shut guys down and not allow a TD in many games. 

There is no way that two ACL injuries and a back injury costing two particial seasons and a multiple month layoff could not have an affect. His game could have been better but to call it poor I believe is over stretching it especially considering the quality of the individuals he covered.

 

Perception, reaction, endurance and confidence will take time to return and I wouldn't be surprised if it takes into next season before he returns to true form again, assumming it can happen. Still, he's already better than C. Brown.

[HoldingCall]

Anyone with eyes can see that a great many of Daryl's tackles come 5+ yards down field or right after he blows a coverage.

Considering the defense is leading the NFL with least points allowed per game (14.9). I'd say, things could be much worst. I will assume you are kidding about the complaint on D Smith.