Official vent thread vs Falcons

[GrimCoconut]

Hasn't he been pretty inconsistent? I'll see him make an interception, but then give up a touchdown a bit

Yeah, he has, but he's a sophomore on a bad defense overall with little help from the DL, so it's hard to really expect great numbers when it's hard to transition from college to the NFL for CBs--especially those from smaller schools. 

[Inqui]

After 7 games CJ Mosely leads the defense w/ 63 tackles and Daryl Smith is right behind him w/ 58. Clearly Daryl Smith is having a pretty poor season. [/sarcasm]

Tackles don't really mean anything.

[GrimCoconut]

After 7 games CJ Mosely leads the defense w/ 63 tackles and Daryl Smith is right behind him w/ 58.  Clearly Daryl Smith is having a pretty poor season.  [/sarcasm]

Just because you make a tackle doesn't mean you're doing well. I've seen Daryl make quite a few tackles after a big gain, which he seemed responsible for due to his coverage. Fortunately, he had the speed to recover but he allowed quite a few of those completions. I also have watched him not manage to stop a RB after initial contact, and allow the RB to get a few more yards before another guy comes to clean it up. He hasn't been horrible, but he has not been quietly playing "lights out," either. 

[Ravenslifer]

QBR... Passer rating... Two different stats.

 

I always mean passer rating - I don't buy into that ESPN pseudo-science ranking, especially after it said Brady outplayed Joe in the 2011 AFCCG and that Joe played better in 2011 than in 2012.  And especially since the highest rated game of all time according to the pseudo-science was Charlie Batch in 2010 - 186 yards, 3 TDs, 2 picks, threw the ball 17 times.

[BmoreBird22]

This!! I would have been cool w/ him getting an offensive PI called against him trying to make sure the guy didn't get the INT.

I would have been as well. If they had actually done anything with that interception, it'd be a huge momentum shift

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, he has, but he's a sophomore on a bad defense overall with little help from the DL, so it's hard to really expect great numbers when it's hard to transition from college to the NFL for CBs--especially those from smaller schools.

I mean, Trufant is an absolute beast. He was actually my favorite corner in that draft and I honestly would have loved to have a shot at him.

I don't know, I like Alford if he can be consistent. He seems to be very boom or bust at this point

[BmoreBird22]

I think the D would be better if Brown started taking some of Smith's snaps. The problem is Daryl is the defensive playcaller and a veteran that Harbaugh loves. That means he isnt coming off the field and neither is Mosley. This is the problem with the "BPA" drafting style. A talent like Brown wastes away on the bench until Smith is let go.

Are you sure Smith makes the calls? Apparently Upshaw made them for the Super Bowl team when Lewis went out, so I'm wondering if he still does it

[GrimCoconut]

I mean, Trufant is an absolute beast. He was actually my favorite corner in that draft and I honestly would have loved to have a shot at him.

I don't know, I like Alford if he can be consistent. He seems to be very boom or bust at this point

For sure, but we didn't have a shot at Trufant. Trufant was my favorite CB in that class. I like Alford quite a bit, though. Talented player. 

[Inqui]

Are you sure Smith makes the calls? Apparently Upshaw made them for the Super Bowl team when Lewis went out, so I'm wondering if he still does it

I wonder who made them during our clash with the Broncos that year. For all the talk of how great the Ray vs Peyton pre-snap battles were, it'd be funny if Peyton lost that battle to a rookie.

[Static]

I like that Hurst knows exactly what went wrong and is in the business of fixing it.

I'd much rather have Monroe at LT but give Hurst 2yrs and he'll be special. Heck his run blocking is already above average.

[GrimCoconut]

I like that Hurst knows exactly what went wrong and is in the business of fixing it.

I'd much rather have Monroe at LT but give Hurst 2yrs and he'll be special. Heck his run blocking is already above average.

I think that's why Hurst has these up and down games, where he has Jekyll and Hyde stretches. One game he's good and the next game he struggles. He's good at adapting and fixing his issues and a lot of that I am sure has to do with Juan. I have faith in him against the Bengals, as crazy as that sounds. I hope Osemele is back, however. 

[BmoreBird22]

For sure, but we didn't have a shot at Trufant. Trufant was my favorite CB in that class. I like Alford quite a bit, though. Talented player.

I honestly can't remember the other corners from that draft because of how well Trufant has played. He's overshadowing them.

He's at least showing flashes of good promise

[BmoreBird22]

I wonder who made them during our clash with the Broncos that year. For all the talk of how great the Ray vs Peyton pre-snap battles were, it'd be funny if Peyton lost that battle to a rookie.

It was Upshaw for sure through the entire playoffs

[Dewy101]

Orr definitely is active due to special teams...

Orr has 1 tackle and 2 penalties as a special teams player.

[Dewy101]

Daryl Smith is better than Art Brown... I feel like that's clear. Brown may have not been a miss... They just weren't expecting a ton from Daryl last year and he played great... So he deserves the shot to keep the job... Especially because Art couldn't beat out a rookie... Which , was really the position he would have played... CJ's spot. CJ will be a top 5 LB by year three, at this rate.

It's Soo silly for fans to think they know more about a players ability than the coaching staff... If either CJ or Daryl couldn't play, Art would be active..

I never said Brown should be a starter just said he should be active. It doesn't make sense to have Zach Orr active. He not a good special teams player when he has 1 tackle and 2 penalties.

[Dewy101]

I think the D would be better if Brown started taking some of Smith's snaps. The problem is Daryl is the defensive playcaller and a veteran that Harbaugh loves. That means he isnt coming off the field and neither is Mosley. This is the problem with the "BPA" drafting style. A talent like Brown wastes away on the bench until Smith is let go.

It makes sense but Brown should at least be active. Orr hasn't even been a good special teams player. 1 tackle and 2 penalties doesn't justify his position on the active roster when Brown can obviously contribute more to the team.

[GrimCoconut]

It makes sense but Brown should at least be active. Orr hasn't even been a good special teams player. 1 tackle and 2 penalties doesn't justify his position on the active roster when Brown can obviously contribute more to the team.

You keep posting this, and your argument seems predicated on the notion that just because he has 1 tackle and 2 penalties that's indicative that he's not a good player. ST players don't always accumulate stats depending on their responsibilities. Yes, their job is to tackle and bring guys down, but depending on how you play them, they could be more responsible for creating gaps and opening holes rather than blowing guys up. Your stat saying that he has 1 tackle doesn't mean much to me, because he could be opening holes for the RS to run through. Just because Jacoby Jones  or whoever hasn't found them doesn't mean they're not there. 

 

You can't go off of stats for ST players. 

[beasy2487]

I think the D would be better if Brown started taking some of Smith's snaps. The problem is Daryl is the defensive playcaller and a veteran that Harbaugh loves. That means he isnt coming off the field and neither is Mosley. This is the problem with the "BPA" drafting style. A talent like Brown wastes away on the bench until Smith is let go.

 

So...your problem with our draft style is that it gives us depth? .

[Static]

 CJ will be a top 5 LB by year three, at this rate.

 

 

I'm not one to jump the gun but statistically C.J is already top 5 and PFF thinks even higher than that.

[rmcjacket23]

Tackles don't really mean anything.

Well, they sort of do, when you're a MLB. Its really the only relevant statistic, because its not like MLBs are really in the business of sacks, interceptions or even forcing turnovers.

 

Making tackles is the #1 responsibility for every single defensive player who has ever played, regardless of position. Doesn't matter if you're a corner, end, tackle, safety or linebacker. If you can't tackle, you can't play.

[Dewy101]

You keep posting this, and your argument seems predicated on the notion that just because he has 1 tackle and 2 penalties that's indicative that he's not a good player. ST players don't always accumulate stats depending on their responsibilities. Yes, their job is to tackle and bring guys down, but depending on how you play them, they could be more responsible for creating gaps and opening holes rather than blowing guys up. Your stat saying that he has 1 tackle doesn't mean much to me, because he could be opening holes for the RS to run through. Just because Jacoby Jones or whoever hasn't found them doesn't mean they're not there.

You can't go off of stats for ST players.

It tough to measure that you're just assuming that he's doing his job. Orr hasn't shown anything to justify his active roster spot.

[Static]

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2jtdrj/pffs_allstar_team_of_the_week_week_7/

 

PFF has Daryl Smith as an honorable mention( 4.8 ovr / 1.9 run/ 2.2 pass D) and certainly I trust their analyst more than Dewy's

 

"Breakdown: Up until this week Smith had been showing his age a bit this season, performing a step behind the dominant coverage linebacker we saw a year ago. Against the Falcons, however, he showed he can still move sideline-to-sideline with the best of them. The Falcons’ running scheme heavily featured pulling linemen and time after time Smith got to the point of attack before the linemen could. In coverage, Smith kept his four targets in front of him and allowed just three catches for 11 yards.

 

 

Signature Stat: Smith’s six stops were his most in a game since week 10 of last season."

 

 

 

I could make a weekly thread with all the PFF scores since I have access if ya'll would be interested in that?

[rmcjacket23]

It tough to measure that you're just assuming that he's doing his job. Orr hasn't shown anything to justify his active roster spot.

Evidently, neither have the people that are below him on the depth chart...

[H8R]

I never said Brown should be a starter just said he should be active. It doesn't make sense to have Zach Orr active. He not a good special teams player when he has 1 tackle and 2 penalties.

Not everyone on special teams makes tackles... There's other jobs than running down on Kick/punt coverage... There's also returns.. What stat would show you if he was or was not good? Yet again, I'm trusting our coaching staff more than some armchair from a forum..

[H8R]

I'm not one to jump the gun but statistically C.J is already top 5 and PFF thinks even higher than that.

I agree, there's plenty of validity to this, I just would like to see how good he is with more maturation ! Could be a great backer!

[rmw10]

It tough to measure that you're just assuming that he's doing his job. Orr hasn't shown anything to justify his active roster spot.

 

ST is way too hard to evaluate without seeing these guys in practice everyday.  Stats don't tell the whole story.  Holding your lane is probably one of the most important things for STers and it's very hard for us at home to evaluate how well he does at that.

[Raven552]

Can I complain about the two clowns from FOX who announced for yesterdays game?

 

I really don't give a crap about what your daughter is going to be for Halloween, or what your best costume ever was.  If you ask me that too tight shirt and plaid tie was costume enough.  

[allblackraven]

D. Smith was slow off the blocks but against ATL he played very, very good. Run stopping in particular.

[redrum52]

Can I complain about the two clowns from FOX who announced for yesterdays game?

 

I really don't give a crap about what your daughter is going to be for Halloween, or what your best costume ever was.  If you ask me that too tight shirt and plaid tie was costume enough.  

Depending on when they started talking, there might not have been much else to discuss during the game at that point.  When the announcers are speaking about dinner plans, one team is usually doing something VERY right.

[BmoreBird22]

Orr has 1 tackle and 2 penalties as a special teams player.

It still doesn't mean he's not active because of his special teams