Official vent thread vs Falcons

[atljbo]

I had to fall thru and say congrats on the win... I had to work but i already knew the way this game was going to go.

[flynismo]

I tend to agree. I think Joe is more confident as well. Just listen to his post game pressers, he breaks down what he sees, what the call was and how the coverage determined what he did. His decision making and footwork are FAR better than previous seasons. I believe Kubiak and Dennison are big contributors in this.

I don't know that his decision making is better or worse, he still makes one or two dumb throws almost every week.

[berad]

I tend to agree. I think Joe is more confident as well. Just listen to his post game pressers, he breaks down what he sees, what the call was and how the coverage determined what he did. His decision making and footwork are FAR better than previous seasons. I believe Kubiak and Dennison are big contributors in this.

I agree, he's been a lot more technical than in previous years. He breaks down what he's seeing. Maybe he's just vocalizing it more to the media but I appreciate the change.

[arnie_uk]

Watching the game at the minute. The first throw is a throw you make every single time with torrey. Single high, 1 v 1. You just chuck it. Tbh if they read single high i wouldn't be surprised if there is an automatic audible to a go route for Smith.

Its just a throw u make all day. It was slightly inside, but great defense. If Smith got in front of his man its a touchdown. The defender just done his job. Smith didnt look around early enough which is clear from the replay. If he did, he would have seen the defender was going to get to make a play and he would have tackled him, if he thought fast enough.

But it def was not a bad decision to throw it. Single High, man coverage you throw that every single time. Your bias is showing through if you say thats a bad decision.

Slightly inside, torrey didn't find it early enough. But great defense. It happens sometimes, a defender is there to make plays as well.

[H8R]

I don't know that his decision making is better or worse, he still makes one or two dumb throws almost every week.

Which QB doesn't?

[arnie_uk]

The second one was just awful

[BmoreBird22]

I watched both interceptions and the first was a good play by Alford and confusing route running by Torrey. Torrey seemed to willingly run to the outside and not try to get to the inside with a single high safety. He then continually drifted to the sideline and failed to locate the ball. Alford then prevented him from getting inside, not that Torrey really fought for position, and made an excellent play on the ball.

The second one, I actually agree with the decision to throw to that receiver, but not the throw itself. There were three defenders in the vicinity of the end zone covering two players. Gilmore had his man beat across the middle and was in position to make a play on the ball, so Joe should have tried to gun it in there, not float it. If he had thrown it sooner or harder, it's likely a catch that gets you into a goal to go situation. If he drops it, not harm done

[RavensAllTheWay]

Any word on what we're doing at LS now?  Will Ngata be taking over?

[beasy2487]

On the play it looked like the corner had good coverage the whole time. To me that's a bad decision.

 

That was a pre-snap read/anticipation play. The only bad decision he made was trusting Torrey to beat his guy, which is a sad commentary on Torrey at this point moreso than on Joe. If you don't like the choice by Joe there then you don't like our offensive scheme lol.

[hawkprey]

I watched both interceptions and the first was a good play by Alford and confusing route running by Torrey. Torrey seemed to willingly run to the outside and not try to get to the inside with a single high safety. He then continually drifted to the sideline and failed to locate the ball. Alford then prevented him from getting inside, not that Torrey really fought for position, and made an excellent play on the ball.

The second one, I actually agree with the decision to throw to that receiver, but not the throw itself. There were three defenders in the vicinity of the end zone covering two players. Gilmore had his man beat across the middle and was in position to make a play on the ball, so Joe should have tried to gun it in there, not float it. If he had thrown it sooner or harder, it's likely a catch that gets you into a goal to go situation. If he drops it, not harm done

Demarius Thomas' long TD last night was basically what Torrey was supposed to to. DT was inside the defender whereas Torrey was outside and behind the defender. Maybe Joe's INT shouldn't have been thrown, but in that case no deep pass should go to Torrey because he's getting out-manned constantly.

[3-4ravdef509]

Honestly, going back and watching the game for the first time Joe played pretty spot on. That first interception was on Torrey, ran the route poorly and should have turned is head quicker to fight for the ball. The second interception, it's hard to find any alternate views (there's no coaches film up yet on the game) to try and see where Morris was before the throw (he's a cornerback but he appeared to be almost playing in a single high safety position, again better film would be nice. 

 

But, the throw before should have been caught for a touchdown, so if the players around Joe were consistently doing their jobs, it would cut down on the mistakes like that.

[redrum52]

That was a pre-snap read/anticipation play. The only bad decision he made was trusting Torrey to beat his guy, which is a sad commentary on Torrey at this point moreso than on Joe. If you don't like the choice by Joe there then you don't like our offensive scheme lol.

Lmao. I get what your saying but if a guy is covered as well as he is I think you should still try else where. Maybe I should re watch to see how the initial coverage looked.

[beanfigger]

Demarius Thomas' long TD last night was basically what Torrey was supposed to to. DT was inside the defender whereas Torrey was outside and behind the defender. Maybe Joe's INT shouldn't have been thrown, but in that case no deep pass should go to Torrey because he's getting out-manned constantly.

 

I totally agree. If we only throw it to Torrey when he is wide open after beating man coverage, then he will never get targeted, unless we play the Bucs every week.

[beanfigger]

Lmao. I get what your saying but if a guy is covered as well as he is I think you should still try else where. Maybe I should re watch to see how the initial coverage looked.

 

We'll essentially cut out one of the strongest parts of Joe and Torrey's game, the deep pass, if we only pass to Torrey when he is wide open, having beaten man coverage. That doesn't happen. It didn't happen on the TD, either, but the throw was perfect on that one. Even Torrey took the blame for that INT. He said he couldn't find the ball to try and make a play.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Anytime you see Torrey @ man coverage, its over for him. He doesn't know how to play w/ a guy in his face

[3-4ravdef509]

Anytime you see Torrey @ man coverage, its over for him. He doesn't know how to play w/ a guy in his face

Touchdown against press man on fourth down?

Post debunked

[BmoreBird22]

Honestly, going back and watching the game for the first time Joe played pretty spot on. That first interception was on Torrey, ran the route poorly and should have turned is head quicker to fight for the ball. The second interception, it's hard to find any alternate views (there's no coaches film up yet on the game) to try and see where Morris was before the throw (he's a cornerback but he appeared to be almost playing in a single high safety position, again better film would be nice. 

 

But, the throw before should have been caught for a touchdown, so if the players around Joe were consistently doing their jobs, it would cut down on the mistakes like that.

I don't know if it was single high, but I thought Alford was playing the safety role on the play as well

[BmoreBird22]

Demarius Thomas' long TD last night was basically what Torrey was supposed to to. DT was inside the defender whereas Torrey was outside and behind the defender. Maybe Joe's INT shouldn't have been thrown, but in that case no deep pass should go to Torrey because he's getting out-manned constantly.

He just didn't even try to fight Alford to get back inside or to get over the top. He needs to be a little more aggressive

[Kid87]

Lol I wish the game was on TV here in VA        

[callahan09]

Honestly, going back and watching the game for the first time Joe played pretty spot on. That first interception was on Torrey, ran the route poorly and should have turned is head quicker to fight for the ball. The second interception, it's hard to find any alternate views (there's no coaches film up yet on the game) to try and see where Morris was before the throw (he's a cornerback but he appeared to be almost playing in a single high safety position, again better film would be nice. 

 

But, the throw before should have been caught for a touchdown, so if the players around Joe were consistently doing their jobs, it would cut down on the mistakes like that.

Yeah on that second one, it'd be nice if the NFL kept an official drops statistic in the stat book, like MLB does with errors.  Drops alter the way QB statistics are calculated like ERA is altered by errors.  In baseball, the example goes that there's 2 outs and the defense lets the third out get on base because of an error, then the pitcher gives up the home run on the next pitch, that's 2 runs scored, but has no effect on the pitcher's ERA because the runs aren't earned.  Actually PFF does keep drops on their stat book and they offer QB stat lines with things like drops & throwaways removed, but there's no way to get kind of an efficiency rating where you take the situations that never would have happened as a result of drops and you remove them from the equation.  It would be tough to do, admittedly.  I personally think (this could be perception trumping reality, I dunno) that a lot of Flacco's worst throws seem to come right after a big pass is dropped by a receiver.  Almost like he doesn't want to accept that the play wasn't made, and he won't take no for an answer on the follow-up, which can lead to a bad decision or forced throw that shouldn't have been made.  I dunno.  Just spit-balling here.

[757RavensFan]

He just didn't even try to fight Alford to get back inside or to get over the top. He needs to be a little more aggressive

 

This!! I would have been cool w/ him getting an offensive PI called against him trying to make sure the guy didn't get the INT.

[757RavensFan]

The first INT was a Torrey problem, first thing they teach you on go-routes in to get inside of your defender or 'stack' him by getting out in front. Torrey got out-muscled by a smaller CB one-on-one and got beat for the pick. He owned up to it afterwards

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Transcripts-Ravens-Post-Game-Quotes/cf035b4e-b3c3-4913-906d-d5b17d6bae7e

On the second pick, that was a mistake by Joe. The intercepting CB (same guy as before) read Joe and left his guy to pick that lofted pass

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Transcripts-Falcons-Post-Game-Quotes/346b5228-d691-4874-a50d-ab00ba0dd776

That was the only poor decision I saw from him all game. 3-4 of his incompletions were throw-aways while getting hit, to avoid a sack. Another was a dropped Torrey TD on a slant. He was really sharp and in control.

 

Torrey owned up to "not tackling the defender for the offensive pass interference"  he didn't own up to running a bad route or if it if Joe threw a bad ball.

[berad]

Torrey owned up to "not tackling the defender for the offensive pass interference"  he didn't own up to running a bad route or if it if Joe threw a bad ball.

This is true, he worded it that way but he also said he lost track of that ball

[gabefergy]

Smith is not fine he's graded out as one of the worst ILBs in the league. Brown does do special teams. He did last year you can't tell me that Orr is on the field just because of special teams that doesn't make sense. If Daryl or CJ went down Orr isn't a guy people would be comfortable with. Why did we spend a 2nd round pick on Brown if he can't make any type of contribution to the team?

I think the D would be better if Brown started taking some of Smith's snaps. The problem is Daryl is the defensive playcaller and a veteran that Harbaugh loves. That means he isnt coming off the field and neither is Mosley. This is the problem with the "BPA" drafting style. A talent like Brown wastes away on the bench until Smith is let go.

[757RavensFan]

This is true, he worded it that way but he also said he lost track of that ball

 

Agreed! But like he said, he should have defended that pass once he realized he couldn't get to it.

[757RavensFan]

I think the D would be better if Brown started taking some of Smith's snaps. The problem is Daryl is the defensive playcaller and a veteran that Harbaugh loves. That means he isnt coming off the field and neither is Mosley. This is the problem with the "BPA" drafting style. A talent like Brown wastes away on the bench until Smith is let go.

 

Smith is quietly playing "lights out" ball and there's no reason to take him off the field. 

[gabefergy]

Smith is quietly playing "lights out" ball and there's no reason to take him off the field.

No. He's quietly having a pretty poor season. There are lots of reasons why he should come off the field starting with how he struggles against the run and has been a step slow in coverage all season.

[757RavensFan]

No. He's quietly having a pretty poor season. There are lots of reasons why he should come off the field starting with how he struggles against the run and has been a step slow in coverage all season.

 

After 7 games CJ Mosely leads the defense w/ 63 tackles and Daryl Smith is right behind him w/ 58.  Clearly Daryl Smith is having a pretty poor season.  [/sarcasm]

[flynismo]

Lmao. I get what your saying but if a guy is covered as well as he is I think you should still try else where. Maybe I should re watch to see how the initial coverage looked.

it's every OC dream to get a guy as fast as Torrey in single coverage that far downfield with no safety help. What you are really saying is that you don't trust Torrey to beat single coverage...and at this point, it would be hard to disagree with that. I mean, it's not like Torrey was being covered by Sherman or Revis or something..

[jazz1988]

No. He's quietly having a pretty poor season. There are lots of reasons why he should come off the field starting with how he struggles against the run and has been a step slow in coverage all season.

 

I thought he played better yesterday but  not completely sure.