Official vent thread vs Falcons

[1/28/01]

Tried to tell ya guys year seven is when the great QBs break out

I am MOSTLY liking what I see, but others said it was year 5 and then year 6 and now of course year 7. Ha!

[HoldingCall]

Daryl Smith is better than Art Brown... I feel like that's clear. Brown may have not been a miss... They just weren't expecting a ton from Daryl last year and he played great... So he deserves the shot to keep the job... Especially because Art couldn't beat out a rookie... Which , was really the position he would have played... CJ's spot. CJ will be a top 5 LB by year three, at this rate.

It's Soo silly for fans to think they know more about a players ability than the coaching staff... If either CJ or Daryl couldn't play, Art would be active..

Very true! Though fans often state it as fact, it's just their opinion.

[Willbacker]

i heard he dropped a td and didn't make an attempt on another pass leading to an interception. Why isn't he to blame?

TD drop was his fault. The pass down the sideline was just a great play by the corner blocking him to the outside.

 

Tried to tell ya guys year seven is when the great QBs break out

Matt Ryan didn't get the memo.

[1/28/01]

TD drop was his fault. The pass down the sideline was just a great play by the corner blocking him to the outside.

Matt Ryan didn't get the memo.

Then Torrey becomes the DB and that ball should never be caught. Now, it should never have been thrown IMO as well, but it certainly should have been defended better by Torrey.

[PolishRifle]

I am MOSTLY liking what I see, but others said it was year 5 and then year 6 and now of course year 7. Ha!

 

Yeah, Harbs held on to Cam too long. That cost Joe atleast one year. I think Cameron did as much as he could for Flacco's development in 2010. It should've been over after that. I guess it's an old hat now, but I still have a hard time getting over it.

[flynismo]

He could have fought harder on the first pick but it was a bad pass. Don't know if the wind took it but it was terrible. On the second one though he didn't catch it, I'm not sure it was a guaranteed td and that doesn't mean Joe should be lofting passes into double coverage. It was a plain dumb decision. The drop though was awful in itself.

first pick wasn't a bad pass, it was outstanding job of boxing Torrey out of the play. really not much Flacco could or should have done differently...was one of those plays where a physical guy who knows how to go after a pass would have made the play. or at least not given the DB an easy int.

[codizzle]

After this game against the falcons, ravens defense is now #1 in PPG, total TD's allowed and red zone td%

Dean pees sitting back laughing at all those hating on his top 5 D prediction haha

[flynismo]

Matt Ryan didn't get the memo.

I said "great" QBs

[codizzle]

first pick wasn't a bad pass, it was outstanding job of boxing Torrey out of the play. really not much Flacco could or should have done differently...was one of those plays where a physical guy who knows how to go after a pass would have made the play. or at least not given the DB an easy int.

Agreed... Excellent play by CB.. Throw almost looks like flacco expected him to get past db and be free

[Willbacker]

Then Torrey becomes the DB and that ball should never be caught. Now, it should never have been thrown IMO as well, but it certainly should have been defended better by Torrey.

He was a step behind and Joe overthrew the ball imo the only way to break it up would have been to interfere but we gotta the corner credit for a great play. Great coverage.

[1/28/01]

He was a step behind and Joe overthrew the ball imo the only way to break it up would have been to interfere but we gotta the corner credit for a great play. Great coverage.

Then you interfere. No excuse for a pick there.

[The Raven]

Tried to tell ya guys year seven is when the great QBs break out

I think Kubiak certainly helps

 

Kubiak certainly helps, but I do think Kubiak is just revealing the talent Joe has had all along. He's always had this talent, but he never had the system to support him like the other greats.

[Moderator 3]

Then you interfere. No excuse for a pick there.

And that is exactly what I'm faulting him for.

[beasy2487]

Let's give Justin Tucker some looks at returner.

[H8R]

Kubiak certainly helps, but I do think Kubiak is just revealing the talent Joe has had all along. He's always had this talent, but he never had the system to support him like the other greats.

 

I tend to agree. I think Joe is more confident as well. Just listen to his post game pressers, he breaks down what he sees, what the call was and how the coverage determined what he did. His decision making and footwork are FAR better than previous seasons. I believe Kubiak and Dennison are big contributors in this.

[H8R]

Then Torrey becomes the DB and that ball should never be caught. Now, it should never have been thrown IMO as well, but it certainly should have been defended better by Torrey.

 

 

I think if you're a WR and you're running side x side with a DB and you dont tackle him to break up a INT... you're not a situationally smart WR and that needs to improve. I could see if it was an overthrow or a bad read... but one on one coverage? A WR has to be an enforcer... its only a penalty.

[BmoreBird22]

if anything, Torrey should have held his arms and took the penalty. You have to at least fight for it, Derrick Mason was real good at this. However to their credit, that TD on 4th and 9 was just beautiful, by Joe and Torrey. Hopefully that helped the connection grow stronger.

That throw on fourth down is the type Flacco should have made with how Alford was covering Torrey on the interception. Flacco threw it inside, probably a post route that just didn't get broken off. I would definitely agree that he needs to do something to prevent the interception. 10 yards is better than a turnover

[BmoreBird22]

Neither is Daryl Smith. Arthur is actually young and can develop but Smith is regressing. He wasnt very strong against the run last year but coverage skills were great. This year he's been bad in both phases. Arthur should at least be active and get some special teams reps if the coaches don't think he's ready or fit this scheme he should be traded.

Can he actually play special teams? Is he one of the best special teams players on the team?

I don't think Daryl Smith has been that great all season, but yesterday was great and hopefully that keeps up. Still, Arthur Brown is basically going to be what Daryl Smith is at this point, just he's not signed to a pretty big contract. I'm sure he'll get playing time, it's just not likely to come this year

[BmoreBird22]

Smith is not fine he's graded out as one of the worst ILBs in the league. Brown does do special teams. He did last year you can't tell me that Orr is on the field just because of special teams that doesn't make sense. If Daryl or CJ went down Orr isn't a guy people would be comfortable with. Why did we spend a 2nd round pick on Brown if he can't make any type of contribution to the team?

Orr definitely is active due to special teams...

[redrum52]

Not saying, that Joe had a great game, but if we're really complaining about a game with 2 TDs, 258 yrds and a 65% comp., than Flacco is officially having a pretty good season. I'm not seeing, that much to be concerned about. As far as this season and most of Flacco's carreer is concerned, games with multiple INTs are a rarity and this clearly isn't 2013, when he was giving them up like nobodies business.

I'd rate it as an average game, wasn't trying to pile on Joe. The 2nd pick is the one I have the biggest problem with. Bad throw and decision, but like I've said somewhere else, Torrey needs to make that catch. Those are plays where if you're playing a good team, we can't afford to lose.

[GrimCoconut]

That throw on fourth down is the type Flacco should have made with how Alford was covering Torrey on the interception. Flacco threw it inside, probably a post route that just didn't get broken off. I would definitely agree that he needs to do something to prevent the interception. 10 yards is better than a turnover

Since we brought him up, Alford was a CB I really liked and wanted in that draft. A shame we didn't get him. I honestly would've rather had him over Elam. He's a playmaker and was one in college as well.

[redrum52]

first pick wasn't a bad pass, it was outstanding job of boxing Torrey out of the play. really not much Flacco could or should have done differently...was one of those plays where a physical guy who knows how to go after a pass would have made the play. or at least not given the DB an easy int.

On the play it looked like the corner had good coverage the whole time. To me that's a bad decision.

[BmoreBird22]

Since we brought him up, Alford was a CB I really liked and wanted in that draft. A shame we didn't get him. I honestly would've rather had him over Elam. He's a playmaker and was one in college as well.

Hasn't he been pretty inconsistent? I'll see him make an interception, but then give up a touchdown a bit

[redrum52]

After this game against the falcons, ravens defense is now #1 in PPG, total TD's allowed and red zone td%

Dean pees sitting back laughing at all those hating on his top 5 D prediction haha

I wish someone would bring up the early predictions thread so I could gloat a little.

[acranfor]

On the play it looked like the corner had good coverage the whole time. To me that's a bad decision.

Disagree. Flacco threw it early when recognizing man coverage with no safety over top. This was the correct decision. Coverage was good, but you have to trust that your WR will either run open later in the route or, if still covered, win the fight for the ball. The corner made a good play. He gets paid too.

 

However, the second interception was a poor play. Flacco threw a lofted ball with a CB trailing a safety coming over top. I assume he thought he could fit it in to the WR with the CB trailing before the safety could close.

[berad]

The first INT was a Torrey problem, first thing they teach you on go-routes in to get inside of your defender or 'stack' him by getting out in front. Torrey got out-muscled by a smaller CB one-on-one and got beat for the pick. He owned up to it afterwards

(on the win) “This was a great team win all around. We’ve got some things we’ve got to clean up. I’m responsible for [QB] Joe [Flacco]’s interception. I have to tackle the guy there. Joe did a great job. Our defense did a great job, and we won the game.”

(on QB Joe Flacco) “Joe did a great job. One of his picks I should have tackled the guy and taken a pass interference penalty. I kind of lost track of the ball myself. So one of those interceptions is my fault. On the other one, he kind of took a chance and didn’t see the backside safety, but he still did a great job. He was the leader of the winning team, and he made plenty of big plays to help this team move the chains.”

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Transcripts-Ravens-Post-Game-Quotes/cf035b4e-b3c3-4913-906d-d5b17d6bae7e

On the second pick, that was a mistake by Joe. The intercepting CB (same guy as before) read Joe and left his guy to pick that lofted pass

(on his second interception) “It was a man coverage. I saw him try to throw the ball to the tight end, and I came off my man and made a good catch.”

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Transcripts-Falcons-Post-Game-Quotes/346b5228-d691-4874-a50d-ab00ba0dd776

That was the only poor decision I saw from him all game. 3-4 of his incompletions were throw-aways while getting hit, to avoid a sack. Another was a dropped Torrey TD on a slant. He was really sharp and in control.

[BSHU_Miami]

Then you interfere. No excuse for a pick there.

Bottomline Take the penalty

 

The first INT was a Torrey problem, first thing they teach you on go-routes in to get inside of your defender or 'stack' him by getting out in front. Torrey got out-muscled by a smaller CB one-on-one and got beat for the pick. He owned up to it afterwards

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Transcripts-Ravens-Post-Game-Quotes/cf035b4e-b3c3-4913-906d-d5b17d6bae7e

On the second pick, that was a mistake by Joe. The intercepting CB (same guy as before) read Joe and left his guy to pick that lofted pass

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Transcripts-Falcons-Post-Game-Quotes/346b5228-d691-4874-a50d-ab00ba0dd776

That was the only poor decision I saw from him all game. 3-4 of his incompletions were throw-aways while getting hit, to avoid a sack. Another was a dropped Torrey TD on a slant. He was really sharp and in control.

Good for Torrey, hopefully he doesn't let it happen again. 

[beanfigger]

On the play it looked like the corner had good coverage the whole time. To me that's a bad decision.

You have to throw it to a receiver being covered in man on a go route without any safety help. Not a bad decision there. If Flacco never threw it deep to Torrey when he was covered like that, he would never throw it deep to Torrey.

[berad]

You have to throw it to a receiver being covered in man on a go route without any safety help. Not a bad decision there. If Flacco never threw it deep to Torrey when he was covered like that, he would never throw it deep to Torrey.

Yup, the Ravens are looking for that matchup and will take it. The did at the end of the Colts game, too, and many other times. It was the 4th down play yesterday.

[757RavensFan]

My vents:

 

- not benching J. Jones in the 2nd half.  He needs a wake up call and benching him is the best way IMO to do it.

- with 2:01 left in the game, they ran the ball on 3rd and 9.  Don't understand why you don't pass there. The clock was gonna stop regardless for the 2 min warning.  But since they scored on 4th down, it's a mute point.   

- The wasted timeout before the half.  Could have easily saved that to get a TD instead of a FG right before half.