Jimmy Smith

[BmoreBird22]

A few other fan favorites are getting their own threads, so I thought I'd make one for my favorite player.

He's probably one of the NFL's best players that no one is talking about. He's PFF's seventh best cornerback this season, playing lights out football against every team he faces.

Since I have not yet renewed my PFF subscription, I can only post the worst case scenario for his stats.

He has allowed 18 receptions on (at worst) 31 targets for 135 yards, zero touchdowns, and one interception. At worst, he's allowed 58% of the passes thrown his way to be completed for 4.2 YPA, and a passer rating of 55. Before this week, he was number one in terms of yards per coverage snap by a good quarter yard.

I recently read a Bleacher Report article that said that shutdown corners are ones that alter a game plan and shift the offensive focus, and the author named Peterson, Sherman, Revis (obviously), but also Trufant and Terrell Brown. A lot of the comments were along the lines of, "If that's the case, why isn't Jimmy Smith on this list?" Most of them weren't even Ravens fans. It's awesome

I truly hope the Ravens lock him up this off season to a long deal. He's way too valuable to not be here. Hopefully this season is one where he gets the recognition nationally that he deserves.

[SeaHawk]

Our defense needs Jimmy Smith back next year. I'd give him a deal faster than Torrey, actually. Without Jimmy, our secondary would be in a much worse shape than it already is. Imagine Asa Jackson (when healthy)/Chykie Brown/Franks as our number 1 corner... I'd say Webb,but he can't stay healthy at all. That's a nightmare.

[orangle123]

Been loving him ever since we drafted him, so glad to see he has matured and grown as a player.  Last year when he shut down B. Marshall, AJ Green, and Megatron in a 4 week period, that did it for me! haha

[arnie_uk]

Our defense needs Jimmy Smith back next year. I'd give him a deal faster than Torrey, actually. Without Jimmy, our secondary would be in a much worse shape than it already is. Imagine Asa Jackson (when healthy)/Chykie Brown/Franks as our number 1 corner... I'd say Webb,but he can't stay healthy at all. That's a nightmare.

he got the 5th year option.

[SeaHawk]

he got the 5th year option.

 

Thank God! Otherwise it'd be Nightmare on Russell Street.

[BmoreBird22]

he got the 5th year option.

I'm hoping they extend him to lower that $8 million cap hit

[rmcjacket23]

I'm hoping they extend him to lower that $8 million cap hit

$6.9M hit, and that would probably be about the size of a normal hit he would take on a new contract. Perhaps even more.

[hawkprey]

Most of the passes completed against JImmy have come in garbage time. He is absolutely one of the best CBs.

[BmoreBird22]

$6.9M hit, and that would probably be about the size of a normal hit he would take on a new contract. Perhaps even more.

How is it only $6.9? I thought it was $8 million for the fifth year option before some of these new deals

[BmoreBird22]

Most of the passes completed against JImmy have come in garbage time. He is absolutely one of the best CBs.

Several are also a yard or two behind the LOS. Passes designed to get YAC, which they never do

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

He needs to start getting more picks if he wants national recognition.It's the same reason Ike Taylor didn't get mentioned in top tier CB conversations his whole career.And I'd rather us wait until 2016 to give him a long term contract.Alot of our bloated contracts should be on the back end where we can negotiate them down by then and the cap is supposed to be over $160M so we'll have more space for him.

[rmcjacket23]

How is it only $6.9? I thought it was $8 million for the fifth year option before some of these new deals

Overthecap.com has it at just under $6.9M, non-guaranteed. You'd have to think, at least in my opinion, that he could get at least a deal similar to Webb's with probably more guaranteed money.

 

I would think Jimmy could probably be in the 5 year, $40-45M range, with probably half guaranteed, as I think he would get that deal quite easily on the open market. If that were the case, he would still probably carry at least a $4-5M cap number in year 1, which isn't really a significant drop from his $7M number.

 

Not sure I'm banking on Jimmy getting a new deal this offseason though. I got a bad feeling we are going to wait until after 2015 and try to up him before FA. If that happens, its a big risk, and it could easily backfire.

[rmcjacket23]

He needs to start getting more picks if he wants national recognition.It's the same reason Ike Taylor didn't get mentioned in top tier CB conversations his whole career.And I'd rather us wait until 2016 to give him a long term contract.Alot of our bloated contracts should be on the back end where we can negotiate them down by then and the cap is supposed to be over $160M so we'll have more space for him.

Yes, but the salary cap also goes up for everybody else in the league also. And generally speaking, when the salary cap goes up, contracts go up also.

 

If the salary cap is increasing by 10-15%, expect the salaries of high quality players to increase by close to that much as well. So if Jimmy would have signed this offseason for $8-9M a year, he might command $10-11M in two years when the cap goes up significantly.

 

Knowing that Flacco's cap number doubles between 2015 and 2016, and he holds all the leverage in any extension negotiations that would come up during that season, if I'm the Ravens, I'm avoiding handing out any big contracts during that offseason if I can help it.

[arnie_uk]

Overthecap.com has it at just under $6.9M, non-guaranteed. You'd have to think, at least in my opinion, that he could get at least a deal similar to Webb's with probably more guaranteed money.

I would think Jimmy could probably be in the 5 year, $40-45M range, with probably half guaranteed, as I think he would get that deal quite easily on the open market. If that were the case, he would still probably carry at least a $4-5M cap number in year 1, which isn't really a significant drop from his $7M number.

Not sure I'm banking on Jimmy getting a new deal this offseason though. I got a bad feeling we are going to wait until after 2015 and try to up him before FA. If that happens, its a big risk, and it could easily backfire.

the fifth year option is guaranteed when you decide to your going with it, unless you give him a long term deal

[Gordo52]

Pay da man

[GrimCoconut]

Been my boy since day one and before the draft. Had to defend him from haters here, of whom I still remember. I knew he had it in him.

[BmoreBird22]

Overthecap.com has it at just under $6.9M, non-guaranteed. You'd have to think, at least in my opinion, that he could get at least a deal similar to Webb's with probably more guaranteed money.

 

I would think Jimmy could probably be in the 5 year, $40-45M range, with probably half guaranteed, as I think he would get that deal quite easily on the open market. If that were the case, he would still probably carry at least a $4-5M cap number in year 1, which isn't really a significant drop from his $7M number.

 

Not sure I'm banking on Jimmy getting a new deal this offseason though. I got a bad feeling we are going to wait until after 2015 and try to up him before FA. If that happens, its a big risk, and it could easily backfire.

It is $6.98 million. I think the $8 million figure was an early estimate. I wonder how up to date that figure is though, because it takes into account 3-25, but that figure, if I'm not mistaken, came before extensions for Sherman, Peterson, Haden, etc., so I'm not sure.

I think he's easily worth the $40 million, but if guys like Haden and Peterson can get $14 million, I don't see any reason why Jimmy couldn't if he hit the open market. He's more consistent than Haden and doesn't let up nearly as many big plays as Peterson. I'd feel much better if the Ravens locked him up in this upcoming free agency

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Yes, but the salary cap also goes up for everybody else in the league also. And generally speaking, when the salary cap goes up, contracts go up also.

 

If the salary cap is increasing by 10-15%, expect the salaries of high quality players to increase by close to that much as well. So if Jimmy would have signed this offseason for $8-9M a year, he might command $10-11M in two years when the cap goes up significantly.

 

Knowing that Flacco's cap number doubles between 2015 and 2016, and he holds all the leverage in any extension negotiations that would come up during that season, if I'm the Ravens, I'm avoiding handing out any big contracts during that offseason if I can help it.

 

 

Why does it matter if it also goes up for everyone else in the league?Someone could come along and try to sign him,but we'd have the free space to be able to match whatever offer he gets by then.And his salary is going to be $9-11M or somewhere north of that regardless of when we try to sign him now.The cap going up will have zero effect on how much he's asking for.The days of trying to sign him before he came into his own came and went.And Flacco's $28M cap number in 2016 wont hurt us at all if/when the salary cap goes up to $160M.The percentage of cap he's taking up will be bigger but it won't be that big of a jump up from the percentage he's taking up this year.

[rmcjacket23]

Why does it matter if it also goes up for everyone else in the league?Someone could come along and try to sign him,but we'd have the free space to be able to match whatever offer he gets by then.And his salary is going to be $9-11M or somewhere north of that regardless of when we try to sign him now.The cap going up will have zero effect on how much he's asking for.The days of trying to sign him before he came into his own came and went.And Flacco's $28M cap number in 2016 wont hurt us at all if/when the salary cap goes up to $160M.The percentage of cap he's taking up will be bigger but it won't be that big of a jump up from the percentage he's taking up this year.

1. There's no guarantee we will have the space. Just because we might have the space now doesn't mean we will then. A lot of contracts and a lot of money can be spent by that time.

2. Just because we have the cap space doesn't mean he's going to get a contract from us... thats just simply not how the Baltimore Ravens run their franchise. He wouldn't be the first or last player who was allowed to leave this team even when we had the cap space to pay them. Value is the key word there.

3. The increase in the salary cap means EVERYTHING in terms of how much he can ask for in FA. Its arguably more important than the comparison contracts amongst his peers, because those contracts may have been signed years earlier on a significantly smaller salary cap. Its rather easy for an agent to account for this, and we've already seen these adjustments this past offseason with an increasing salary cap. You think Jay Cutler was getting $18M a year with more guaranteed money than Flacco 2-3 years ago? Of course not.

4. For what its worth, Flacco takes up 11% of the teams possible salary cap this season. In 2016, IF the salary cap were $160M, he would take up 18% of the cap. To put it in perspective... that would be a $27M jump in two years for the salary cap, and half of that excess cap space would already be gone due to Flacco's jump in. Needless to say, its extremely significant.

[BmoreBird22]

1. There's no guarantee we will have the space. Just because we might have the space now doesn't mean we will then. A lot of contracts and a lot of money can be spent by that time.

2. Just because we have the cap space doesn't mean he's going to get a contract from us... thats just simply not how the Baltimore Ravens run their franchise. He wouldn't be the first or last player who was allowed to leave this team even when we had the cap space to pay them. Value is the key word there.

3. The increase in the salary cap means EVERYTHING in terms of how much he can ask for in FA. Its arguably more important than the comparison contracts amongst his peers, because those contracts may have been signed years earlier on a significantly smaller salary cap. Its rather easy for an agent to account for this, and we've already seen these adjustments this past offseason with an increasing salary cap. You think Jay Cutler was getting $18M a year with more guaranteed money than Flacco 2-3 years ago? Of course not.

4. For what its worth, Flacco takes up 11% of the teams possible salary cap this season. In 2016, IF the salary cap were $160M, he would take up 18% of the cap. To put it in perspective... that would be a $27M jump in two years for the salary cap, and half of that excess cap space would already be gone due to Flacco's jump in. Needless to say, its extremely significant.

As far as keeping him goes, Harbaugh really likes Jimmy, and with the state of the secondary, he's likely to stay, just at what cost

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

1. There's no guarantee we will have the space. Just because we might have the space now doesn't mean we will then. A lot of contracts and a lot of money can be spent by that time.

2. Just because we have the cap space doesn't mean he's going to get a contract from us... thats just simply not how the Baltimore Ravens run their franchise. He wouldn't be the first or last player who was allowed to leave this team even when we had the cap space to pay them. Value is the key word there.

3. The increase in the salary cap means EVERYTHING in terms of how much he can ask for in FA. Its arguably more important than the comparison contracts amongst his peers, because those contracts may have been signed years earlier on a significantly smaller salary cap. Its rather easy for an agent to account for this, and we've already seen these adjustments this past offseason with an increasing salary cap. You think Jay Cutler was getting $18M a year with more guaranteed money than Flacco 2-3 years ago? Of course not.

4. For what its worth, Flacco takes up 11% of the teams possible salary cap this season. In 2016, IF the salary cap were $160M, he would take up 18% of the cap. To put it in perspective... that would be a $27M jump in two years for the salary cap, and half of that excess cap space would already be gone due to Flacco's jump in. Needless to say, its extremely significant.

 

I guess we're just gonna have to disagree on the Jimmy Smith contract situation and I did the math with Joe's contract.A 7 percent increase is not that significant to me.Oh yeah,the bears wouldve given Cutler that money anyway.It had nothing to do with increased cap space.It was more about the bears need for a franchise QB.

[rmw10]

Jimmy isn't going anywhere. He'll get his deal when it's time.

[BmoreBird22]

I guess we're just gonna have to disagree on the Jimmy Smith contract situation and I did the math with Joe's contract.A 7 percent increase is not that significant to me.Oh yeah,the bears wouldve given Cutler that money anyway.It had nothing to do with increased cap space.It was more about the bears need for a franchise QB.

When you consider what that 7% could be used for and the fact that the Ravens use almost all their cap space every year, 7% is pretty significant

[JoeyFlex5]

Been my boy since day one and before the draft. Had to defend him from haters here, of whom I still remember. I knew he had it in him.

i was one of those guys also, he was my choice from the day mock drafts started popping up. i dont follow college football too heavily but i follow mock drafts really hard, i thought in terms of pure shutdown ability, that he was the best, his physical man coverage ability i believe is better than patrick peterson, he just has less splash play ability, and thats always been the case, and i was fine with that during the draft process. 

 

i also thought his character concerns were way overblown and i never once thought anything of it. 

 

jimmy was the 2nd best pick of the harbaugh era after flacco and i knew it would play out like that, of course until mosley came along.

[GrimCoconut]

Jimmy isn't going anywhere. He'll get his deal when it's time.

Just about to post this. People are crazy if they think we won't retain Jimmy. We'd sooner cut Haloti Ngata than lose Jimmy Smith. 

[rmcjacket23]

Just about to post this. People are crazy if they think we won't retain Jimmy. We'd sooner cut Haloti Ngata than lose Jimmy Smith. 

Not suggesting he won't. My point was simple... the longer you wait, the more expensive it's likely to get, and the riskier it gets.

 

Jimmy Smith isn't the first Raven that every fan was certain we would retain, and some of them ended up taking a deal with somebody else.

 

And Ngata's decision would probably come before Jimmy's, so its not as cut and dry as that.

[Inqui]

If a CB isn't getting noticed at all, then he's doing his job.

[The Mom Gene]

Jimmy is the younger blood...  The New...  The up and coming...  He's not going anywhere.

[edthehead]

whew,,,2011 I wanted jimmy to come to Baltimore,I thought he was the second best corner that year,new York hit the clock they picked prince amukumura ,,,okayyyyy,,,I had a buddy from Philly and I knew Philly was interested him(thought they wanted him),they picked that lineman they ex fire fighter Danny Watkins,how did that work out,,,                                                                            jimmy smith is not going anyplace,he will be a RAVEN 

[Static]

PFF giving Jimmy love and proclaiming him as a top corner. Actually they have him as their 2nd best atm.

 

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