Next UP: Atlanta Falcons

[Underdogsontop!]

I really hope if our FO activates terrence cody, he'll be a needed help to our d-line!

[omar586]

never overlook anyone

[Ravenseconbeast]

Chykie, old&battered Webb, and Jimmy vs Harrison, Julio, and Roddy White.   

 

id say thats where im going to focus my eye on

[beanfigger]

Chykie, old&battered Webb, and Jimmy vs Harrison, Julio, and Roddy White.

id say thats where im going to focus my eye on

I'll be looking away.

[Tank 92]

I'm going to focus on the Ravens side of the scoreboard that is going to be changing like a pinball machine against the team that ranks next to last in total defense.

[GrimCoconut]

Chykie, old&battered Webb, and Jimmy vs Harrison, Julio, and Roddy White.

id say thats where im going to focus my eye on

Harrison?

[Cville-Raven]

From what I've heard, the Falcons are like turnstiles in the trenches. We should go with a heavy dose of running the ball and then occasionally take shots downfield. Hopefully our pass rush will suppress their passing game. 

[Underdogsontop!]

Good to have Timmy Jernigan back at practice!!

[D-Rey]

Harrison?

That's what I thought lol. He must mean Harry Douglas.

[evass#ravensnation]

No way it's gonna be a shootout our D is heating up at the right time and causing a lot of problems for QB's. We might give up a lot of passing yards but we don't let teams score.Offense is firing on all cylinders and we're going up against one of the worst Defenses in the league. Again!!! Flacco,Forsett time

I say

Ravens-31

Falcons-14

[Underdogsontop!]

KO is back too! Cheeeee! We need to be healthy and firing by the time we travel to the jungle to battle the bengals!

[hn68wb4]

No way it's gonna be a shootout our D is heating up at the right time and causing a lot of problems for QB's. We might give up a lot of passing yards but we don't let teams score.Offense is firing on all cylinders and we're going up against one of the worst Defenses in the league. Again!!! Flacco,Forsett time

I say

Ravens-31

Falcons-14

the addition of a healthy Webb may be the reason - as well as Suggs finally doing something against the pass, although we should all take last week's performance with a grain of salt, that is a struggling Oline, this week will be the same with the Falcons but beyond that we need to see production against a good oline for me to be completely sold on our edge rush, but we did see an encouraging sign last week that Pees may finally start blitzing more which would be good.

close to my prediction btw

[callahan09]

So do you get 1.5 times the yardage when you complete a pass outdoors in the wind? A yard is a yard. I'm not in the business of trying to adjust players statistics for weather or lack thereof.

 

If you want to deduct 3,000 yards off Matt Ryan's statistics because he plays in a dome and you think its that much easier to gain yardage, then go for it. Last time I checked, people who are in the business of keeping statistics don't care one bit about the location, weather, etc. of statistics.

 

Why not knock off another 4,000 yards because he's clearly had better receivers to throw to? And why not 2,000 yards because his schedule is weaker?

 

Matt Ryan's career numbers in a dome vs outdoors:

 

LOCATION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD INT SACK RAT

OUTDOORS 844 1,369 9,418 61.7 6.88 62 38 57 85.7

INDOORS 1,398 2,153 15,904 64.9 7.39 103 46 110 94.0

 

And now Joe's splits:

 

LOCATION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD INT SACK RAT

OUTDOORS 1890 3,127 21,695 60.4 6.98 123 80 216 83.8

INDOORS 119 196 1,446 60.7 7.38 10 1 13 98.3

 

Well, gee it looks like it sure would be nice if Flacco was able to play in a dome all the time!  And keep in mind that every single pass Joe has thrown indoors has been on the road.

 

Then when you factor in the fact that Joe plays against the tough defenses of the AFC North six times every season while Ryan has played the comparably weak defenses of the NFC South six times a year, and hey, why not also factor in the matter of their respective weapons, the quality of those receivers... hey, it sure looks like Ryan's had it much easier over the years, and yet... the numbers stack up so similarly still.  I think Joe's numbers on the Falcon's since 2008 would have been at least as good as Ryan's.

[Cillmatic]

According to PFT, Michael Oher 67th out of 72 tackles. This week's opponent Jake Matthews who grades out a few notches below at 70th.

Expect our pass Rush to be pretty good. The Falcons are most likely gonna do short quick passes and screens. We gotta plan did that.

[rmcjacket23]

 

Matt Ryan's career numbers in a dome vs outdoors:

 

LOCATION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD INT SACK RAT

OUTDOORS 844 1,369 9,418 61.7 6.88 62 38 57 85.7

INDOORS 1,398 2,153 15,904 64.9 7.39 103 46 110 94.0

 

And now Joe's splits:

 

LOCATION CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG TD INT SACK RAT

OUTDOORS 1890 3,127 21,695 60.4 6.98 123 80 216 83.8

INDOORS 119 196 1,446 60.7 7.38 10 1 13 98.3

 

Well, gee it looks like it sure would be nice if Flacco was able to play in a dome all the time!  And keep in mind that every single pass Joe has thrown indoors has been on the road.

 

Then when you factor in the fact that Joe plays against the tough defenses of the AFC North six times every season while Ryan has played the comparably weak defenses of the NFC South six times a year, and hey, why not also factor in the matter of their respective weapons, the quality of those receivers... hey, it sure looks like Ryan's had it much easier over the years, and yet... the numbers stack up so similarly still.  I think Joe's numbers on the Falcon's since 2008 would have been at least as good as Ryan's.

 

Based on your statistics, the only conclusion I would draw is that Ryan is better than Flacco outdoors and Flacco is better than Ryan indoors. So where does that get us?

 

And while there is a difference, not that between 2008 and 2013, the average AFC North team allowed 209 passing YPG, and the average NFC South team allowed 228 passing YPG. Its 20 yards per game difference. That means that, on average, Ryan would still have more passing yards than Flacco even if he played in the AFC North. And given that, as you pointed out above, Ryan is better outdoors than Flacco...

[ravensdfan]

Based on your statistics, the only conclusion I would draw is that Ryan is better than Flacco outdoors and Flacco is better than Ryan indoors. So where does that get us?

 

And while there is a difference, not that between 2008 and 2013, the average AFC North team allowed 209 passing YPG, and the average NFC South team allowed 228 passing YPG. Its 20 yards per game difference. That means that, on average, Ryan would still have more passing yards than Flacco even if he played in the AFC North. And given that, as you pointed out above, Ryan is better outdoors than Flacco...

 

No, the conclusion you draw is that playing indoors DOES have an affect on the QB's overall numbers therefore, one would expect Ryan, who plays the majority of his games every year inside a dome, to have greater statistical numbers versus Joe who plays the majority of his games outside.

 

YOu know, the thing you said that "didn't matter" that clearly has a fairly significant affect as the numbers for both QBs clearly show.

[rmcjacket23]

No, the conclusion you draw is that playing indoors DOES have an affect on the QB's overall numbers therefore, one would expect Ryan, who plays the majority of his games every year inside a dome, to have greater statistical numbers versus Joe who plays the majority of his games outside.

 

YOu know, the thing you said that "didn't matter" that clearly has a fairly significant affect as the numbers for both QBs clearly show.

So how many yards and TDs should I drop from Ryan's totals to make him even with Flacco so that the "dome" argument actually means something? I mean without a quantifiable number... isn't it just a bunch of subjective guessing? Aren't you just window dressing the entire situation?

 

I wonder if people who vote for MVP awards, Pro bowl ballots, All-pro recognition and HOF voters factor in the weather, dome/road, toughness of competition factors that you guys seem to harp on, because I seriously doubt that's the case. I know those things don't seem to matter much to fans, but needless to say, they matter a TON to players. In many cases, I'm sure they even matter more than the dreaded "wins" do.

[hn68wb4]

I just have a feeling for a few things this week:

1) JJ will finally get a return TD, im thinking punt but i won't be too upset if he takes a kickoff back

2) Arthur Brown will finally be active and get some playing time

3) Flacco will have another 3+ TD game with no ints, wouldn't 5 be amazing for consecutive weeks?

 - just a feeling

[Inqui]

Based on your statistics, the only conclusion I would draw is that Ryan is better than Flacco outdoors and Flacco is better than Ryan indoors. So where does that get us?

 

And while there is a difference, not that between 2008 and 2013, the average AFC North team allowed 209 passing YPG, and the average NFC South team allowed 228 passing YPG. Its 20 yards per game difference. That means that, on average, Ryan would still have more passing yards than Flacco even if he played in the AFC North. And given that, as you pointed out above, Ryan is better outdoors than Flacco...

It means Joe has the upper hand this week. In the game we're talking about in the thread dedicated to the leadup to the game this week.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

So how many yards and TDs should I drop from Ryan's totals to make him even with Flacco so that the "dome" argument actually means something? I mean without a quantifiable number... isn't it just a bunch of subjective guessing? Aren't you just window dressing the entire situation?

 

I wonder if people who vote for MVP awards, Pro bowl ballots, All-pro recognition and HOF voters factor in the weather, dome/road, toughness of competition factors that you guys seem to harp on, because I seriously doubt that's the case. I know those things don't seem to matter much to fans, but needless to say, they matter a TON to players. In many cases, I'm sure they even matter more than the dreaded "wins" do.

 

 

Is your argument that having better weapons and playing in a dome doesn't have an impact on a QB's stats or that the impact shouldn't matter.I honestly can't tell.Playing indoors is clearly an advantage.Especially when you look at the stats Callahan gave you.

[MTRavensFan]

So how many yards and TDs should I drop from Ryan's totals to make him even with Flacco so that the "dome" argument actually means something? I mean without a quantifiable number... isn't it just a bunch of subjective guessing? Aren't you just window dressing the entire situation?

 

I wonder if people who vote for MVP awards, Pro bowl ballots, All-pro recognition and HOF voters factor in the weather, dome/road, toughness of competition factors that you guys seem to harp on, because I seriously doubt that's the case. I know those things don't seem to matter much to fans, but needless to say, they matter a TON to players. In many cases, I'm sure they even matter more than the dreaded "wins" do.

 

It's called controlling for extraneous factors, a key statistical research concept that most who want to endlessly argue statisitics conveniently like to ignore.

 

Personally, I find the whole argument pointless and boring, because this is football, and statisitics NEVER tell the whole story.

And I DO think those voting for MVP, Prow Bowl, etc., take those extraneous factors like playing conditions and strength of competition into effect - those awards are not voted on by statistics alone.

 

Thus, we continue to debate Flacco vs. Ryan all these years later, when the real question will be answered this Sunday - RAVENS vs FALCONS.

Looking forward to it!!!

[beanfigger]

Stats this! Flacco has more home wins than any other QB since he entered the league in 2008. This game is at home. Shut the stat up!

[52520Andrew]

Took a look at the Falcons forums, so depressing over there

[allblackraven]

McPhee and Taliaferro - with Jernigan and KO (hopefully) back, I can see these two having career games on Sunday.

[DomMcRaven]

We should win, but this game is very dangerous. We likely won't be able to relax at any point like last weekend. This will not be over early, even if it starts out looking that way. Ryan is not elite or anything, but he does have a habit of being a nuisance in the late stages of games to give his team a chance to win. I think our defense will be forced to come up big to save a comeback win this week. This will be a star-making opportunity for some of our young guys, and a statement chance for some of our vets on defense.

 

I've said it many times already, we will go undefeated in games that we don't turnover the ball. I'm starting to think that may also be the case in games we don't give up a sack. Both have held true thus far.

Let's not forget that the Falcons are winless on the road. Can't take them lightly. As long as we start off fast and stop the run we should be in good shape.

 

We're 5-0 when Flacco isn't sacked once.

[Inqui]

Took a look at the Falcons forums, so depressing over there

It might have been buried since I was there last (given how they make a new thread every time someone has a thought), but a really depressing one was where a group of older fans were talking about how the Falcons wouldn't ever win anything in their lifetime. Aside from the "we suck" talk, there was an underlying theme of mortality.

 

And I thought the calls to start Tyrod when things weren't going well were bad.

[52520Andrew]

It might have been buried since I was there last (given how they make a new thread every time someone has a thought), but a really depressing one was where a group of older fans were talking about how the Falcons wouldn't ever win anything in their lifetime. Aside from the "we suck" talk, there was an underlying theme of mortality.

 

And I thought the calls to start Tyrod when things weren't going well were bad.

 

Wow that is a sad one, I saw one up there where apparently Suggs and Ngata were talking some smack on the radio about their offense and the fans on there agreed with them. 

[HockeyAndRavens]

Is it true Suggs & Ngata went on the radio and mocked the Falcons?

[rmcjacket23]

Is your argument that having better weapons and playing in a dome doesn't have an impact on a QB's stats or that the impact shouldn't matter.I honestly can't tell.Playing indoors is clearly an advantage.Especially when you look at the stats Callahan gave you.

I'm saying from a statistical/quantitative standpoint, it doesn't matter. Because if you can't quantify the difference, then it is, by definition, a qualitative comparison.

 

As I asked earlier... when they vote for MVP awards... do they downward adjust statistical performances from guys like Drew Brees because he plays in a dome, doesn't face adverse weather often, and plays in a perceived "weaker" division?

 

If that was the case, how can he realistically be considered a Pro Bowl candidate? Or an MVP candidate? Or a potential HOF candidate?

[rmcjacket23]

It's called controlling for extraneous factors, a key statistical research concept that most who want to endlessly argue statisitics conveniently like to ignore.

 

Personally, I find the whole argument pointless and boring, because this is football, and statisitics NEVER tell the whole story.

And I DO think those voting for MVP, Prow Bowl, etc., take those extraneous factors like playing conditions and strength of competition into effect - those awards are not voted on by statistics alone.

 

Thus, we continue to debate Flacco vs. Ryan all these years later, when the real question will be answered this Sunday - RAVENS vs FALCONS.

Looking forward to it!!!

In a vote for MVP, there's probably two factors that realistically matter... statistics and team success. Like I asked in another post... if extraneous circumstances are actually a significant factor, then Drew Brees could literally never, ever, win an MVP award. He plays in what is perceived as one of the weaker defensive conferences, he has plenty of talented players surrounding him, he plays in a dome, and he rarely plays in adverse weather conditions.

 

In a Pro Bowl vote, its likely about popularity and statistics. Nothing else. I would be shocked to find that anybody voting for a Pro Bowl player cares one bit about weather, the personnel around them, or whether or not they play indoors or outdoors. If you lead the league in sacks, you're probably going to the Pro Bowl. In my opinion, its far more cut and dry than you people think it is.