Official Vent uh talk about the game vs the Tampa Bay Buccaneers !

[Moderator 3]

Um we do that when at Home not away lol

WE know that. Noobs.

[rmw10]

can only imagine the potential of this Dline/front 7 once young guys like Jernigen, Ubran and KLM get back healthy.

 

Also, is there any need for Cody if the Ravens decide to activate him off PUP? I'm not sure.

 

He might stick around.  Bilukidi hasn't been anything special so he could find himself gone if we want a true NT type instead.

[berad]

Brandon Williams was dominant, made a number of plays in the running game and got half a sack with Dumervil.

Pass rush showed up, too. McPhee, Dumervil, and Suggs were all strong and productive - Suggs was giving 0 effort at the end of the game, I was a little disappointed in that.

Dean Pees dialed up an awesome gameplan in the first half. Pressures from everywhere, LBs on delayed blitzes putting Glennon his back and putting fear in his heart. It was nice to see. We took the foot off the gas in the second half and the Bucs put up numbers in that garbage time.

Secondary followed the pressure. Good when we got pressure, exposed when we didn't.

Offense played to perfection in the first half. Impossible to do it better. 5 TDs by Flacco. Second half we only got 3 drives - technically 5 but they were a Tyrod fumble and a kneel down.

OL played well, Hurst and Urschel had some struggles but faired well.

Receivers were very good today, some drops but they made plays when called.

RBs were the same, made a lot of plays.

ST was very good today, Jacoby rebounded after a hard game in Indy.

[Cville-Raven]

Flacco was about as good as I've ever seen him. Also liked how the nasty the D was in the first half, seemed they took the foot off the gas in the 2nd half becuase of the lead.

[rmcjacket23]

You're not being reasonable. Your entire argument was that our secondary wasn't talented enough to call for pressures & blitzes yet, we did and played the best defense we have all season.

 

This is how we should be calling every game on defense THEN you make adjustments if you need to. Not playing scared from the beginning.

But keep in mind... not every team we have played or will play will 1. have an offensive line as terrible as the Bucs were today and 2. not continue to run deep, time-developing routes all day long and continue to let their QB take 7 step drops.

 

If we had played the exact same defense we played today against somebody like Cincinnati in week 1, we probably would have lost by more points than we actually did, because they ran a ton of 3-5 step drops and got the ball out extremely quick. When you're playing an offense like that, pressure doesn't really mean a whole lot.

[berad]

I love using him in blitzes. What makes his pressures even more lethal is that they are so often green dog rushes, or when the running back stays in to block and Mosley blitzes. It's not often that Mosley goes in on a "called" blitz.

 

 

I think we'll see more of this as our secondary gets stronger.

  

Hey, Berad, see this?

Yup, and see the word "blitz". Tell PFF, that is if you can contact them on their ivory tower.

[hawkprey]

Flacco played ridiculous. Over 70% completion and half of those incompletions were drops.

 

Campanaro, Steve Smith, Torrey Smith and Aiken all played well. Jacoby... ugh.

 

What a day by the offense with no Rice, Pitta, Monroe or Osemele. They did what the Falcons did to the Bucs, only against Gerald McCoy and Michael Johnson and in Tampa's home.

[BmoreBird22]

  

Yup, and see the word "blitz". Tell PFF, that is if you can contact them on their ivory tower.

Like I said, I think it's the difference between called or not called.

[redrum52]

The Flock was thick in Tampa today. Couldn't ask for more in my first live game.

[The Raven]

But keep in mind... not every team we have played or will play will 1. have an offensive line as terrible as the Bucs were today and 2. not continue to run deep, time-developing routes all day long and continue to let their QB take 7 step drops.

 

If we had played the exact same defense we played today against somebody like Cincinnati in week 1, we probably would have lost by more points than we actually did, because they ran a ton of 3-5 step drops and got the ball out extremely quick. When you're playing an offense like that, pressure doesn't really mean a whole lot.

 

Very good point there. Dalton would have smoked us on our gameplan today

[ravensdfan]

Read the reply about offensive lines and try to wrap your mind around that. When I say the defense isn't talented enough, it was in reference to the Colts game. Try to think of things from the point of a coordinator. You have to realize that the NFL is not created equal for each team and that teams have different strengths. Four of the six teams the Ravens played had a real strength on the offensive line and it wasn't realistic to try to go blitz heavy against those offensive lines.

 

Look, your entire argument was that our secondary would be exposed. Today, they were good with pressure & exposed without pressure.

 

That has been my argument - the pressure HELPS your secondary. Lack of it hurts them.

 

Proven today. Live & in living color.

 

No teams are the same which is why the NFL allows you to make adjustments during the game. But you don't start the game by saying "hmmm my guys suck so I'll just send 4 and let them march down the field." That is what Pees has been doing.

[berad]

Like I said, I think it's the difference between called or not called.

Is that a disclaimer PFF puts on their statistics? Or are they privy to every call the DC makes?

Since that is an adjustment that Mosley can make off man coverage, dismissing his responsibility on the back if the RB stays in, wouldn't that make it a called blitz anyways? Again, you agreed to a defintion of a blitz calling it:

A defensive strategy in which a linebacker or defensive back vacates his normal responsibilities in order to pressure the quarterback.

http://football.about.com/cs/football101/g/gl_blitz.htm

A blitz is a blitz.

[Moderator 3]

The Flock was thick in Tampa today. Couldn't ask for more in my first live game.

And you all came through loud and clear on TV.

[BmoreBird22]

Look, your entire argument was that our secondary would be exposed. Today, they were good with pressure & exposed without pressure.

 

That has been my argument - the pressure HELPS your secondary. Lack of it hurts them.

 

Proven today. Live & in living color.

 

No teams are the same which is why the NFL allows you to make adjustments during the game. But you don't start the game by saying "hmmm my guys suck so I'll just send 4 and let them march down the field." That is what Pees has been doing.

Again, you can get pressure without blitzing. I don't see why that's hard to understand.

Please, go read rmcjacket's recent post about our game plan today. I'm not the only one who sees it.

[BmoreBird22]

But keep in mind... not every team we have played or will play will 1. have an offensive line as terrible as the Bucs were today and 2. not continue to run deep, time-developing routes all day long and continue to let their QB take 7 step drops.

 

If we had played the exact same defense we played today against somebody like Cincinnati in week 1, we probably would have lost by more points than we actually did, because they ran a ton of 3-5 step drops and got the ball out extremely quick. When you're playing an offense like that, pressure doesn't really mean a whole lot.

I have been saying this for the entire season. I don't know why it's hard to get.

[redrum52]

And you all came through loud and clear on TV.

It definitely felt like we outnumbered them. Bucs fans were questioning where we came from too.

[BmoreBird22]

Is that a disclaimer PFF puts on their statistics? Or are they privy to every call the DC makes?

Since that is an adjustment that Mosley can make off man coverage, dismissing his responsibility on the back if the RB stays in, wouldn't that make it a called blitz anyways? Again, you agreed to a defintion of a blitz calling it:

http://football.about.com/cs/football101/g/gl_blitz.htm

A blitz is a blitz.

I'm about to ask them.

[berad]

I'm about to ask them.

Not paying for PFF so this is all I can find from their free stuff, from an article in April 2014

There are many ways to define a blitz, but here we’re defining it as someone pass rushing that the offense wouldn’t expect to. For example, in a goal-line situation if there are six defensive linemen and they all rush the passer, that wouldn’t count as a blitz. However, in a base 3-4 defense if an ILB pass rushes instead of an OLB, it is a blitz even though it is still potentially just a four-man rush.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/07/team-blitzing/

That would fit the Mosley play against the Colts so what gives? Changing definitions? Inaccurate stats?

[BmoreBird22]

Not paying for PFF so this is all I can find from their free stuff, from an article in April 2014

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/07/team-blitzing/

That would fit the Mosley play against the Colts so what gives? Changing definitions? Inaccurate stats?

I asked them if had to do with Mosley's first responsibility being coverage, not rushing the passer, and if they put that under the "no blitz" category because it wasn't "called".

[arnie_uk]

Not paying for PFF so this is all I can find from their free stuff, from an article in April 2014

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/07/team-blitzing/

That would fit the Mosley play against the Colts so what gives? Changing definitions? Inaccurate stats?

not backing down haha

[berad]

I asked them if had to do with Mosley's first responsibility being coverage, not rushing the passer, and if they put that under the "no blitz" category because it wasn't "called".

 

not backing down haha

LOL I mean this whole thing started when their stats for us on 'blitzes' didn't include an INT which was one of the biggest plays in the Ravens/Colts game.

I appreciate you asking BmoreBird22, I'd just be happy to know what they're definition of a 'blitz' is. There seem to be a few floating out there.

[BmoreBird22]

 

LOL I mean this whole thing started when their stats for us on 'blitzes' didn't include an INT which was one of the biggest plays in the Ravens/Colts game.

I appreciate you asking BmoreBird22, I'd just be happy to know what they're definition of a 'blitz' is. There seem to be a few floating out there.

I don't expect you to back down because it is a legitimate question and I'm curious as well. It is a blitz (it's called a Green Dog blitz), but that's the secondary responsibility. I wonder if that truly is the reason.

[ellicottraven]

We should have let Flacco throw for 10 TDs this game! I am pissed!

[allblackraven]

Brandon Williams is absolutely huge for us. O line played great against that defensive front. Receivers were doing what they are supposed to do and did that really well. I keep saying, beat them on the line both ways, you most likely won a game. And Justin Forsett... man can he find the hole.

[ravensdfan]

Again, you can get pressure without blitzing. I don't see why that's hard to understand.

Please, go read rmcjacket's recent post about our game plan today. I'm not the only one who sees it.

 

Except um..he DID send blitzes. Why is that hard for you to understand?

[Ravenseconbeast]

its not crying. Its noticing that the first half d we just played was the best d we played all year and that came from pressure pressure pressure. Its what we must do going forward

I would argue our last weeks D was perhaps the BEST I've seen all year. Its too bad our O didn't show up, but a lot of what we did last week carried over to today's. I think we are building something very special right now. If few pieces in secondary clicked..we cannot lose. We are a scary team if that would happen.

[BmoreBird22]

Except um..he DID send blitzes. Why is that hard for you to understand?

You're completely missing what I'm saying. You CAN create pressure without blitzes. Hold on, that sounds like a statement of possibility, not absolution.

[1/28/01]

Drinks!

[GrimCoconut]

We played great this game. I think we dominated despite the second half breakdown. Offense, defense, special teams.

I'm still not very happy with Elam, but he's playing somewhat solid. I'm hoping he'll develop into the S we wanted him to be, because I'm not seeing him as a nickel back. He's just too short and doesn't have the athleticism to excel there.

Webb was average this game. Glad he was out there but he allowed some big plays. Jimmy played solid football overall. Very very happy with him. Franks looked kinda iffy, but he hasn't practiced since we cut him so what can be expected? Stewart was average as well.

Really really really impressed by Gilmore. He showed very solid hands. I think he's a keeper at the TE position and he can be the dual that TE we've sought. He might be able to replace the void left by Heap. Haven't had that dual threat in a while. He still needs development so time will tell.

Brandon Williams, Mosley, Torrey got their praise. They played awesome. We truly have excellent youth on this team. Players like Williams, Mosley, Jimmy and Brooks are going to be the core of our defensive corps in the coming years. They're playing outstanding football.

[ravensdfan]

You're completely missing what I'm saying. You CAN create pressure without blitzes. Hold on, that sounds like a statement of possibility, not absolution.

 

You can but we haven't been successful have we? so you're saying we just stick with the old vanilla soft technique even if it isn't working cuz we're scared of a certain team's OL?