Lardarius Webb (merged)

[rmcjacket23]

It's extremely rare for players to take a pay cut though. The Ravens don't gain much by cutting him, and after restructuring him this year it's even more unlikely.

As far as the paycut goes, keep in mind that a lot if not all of the players who take a paycut are typically in a non-leverage position, meaning the players knows that the ONLY way he stays with that team AND can't get more in FA is by taking a paycut. Typically, you see this with aging veterans.

 

I don't feel like, given the $2M in cap savings, that the Ravens are in a "huge" leverage position. I suppose in theory the Ravens could ask Webb to take a paycut of some sort and he would agree, but I'm not really sure what leverage the Ravens have.

 

They could cut him and save $2M in cap space, but if you're the Ravens, isn't Webb, even playing as he is right now, worth $2M to this team? I mean lets face it... as much as we fans like to pretend like "it can't get any worse"... it really can. I feel pretty confident that Webb is an upgrade over a street FA or a PS call up that would likely take his spot in the lineup.

 

The ONLY scenario I see where Webb isn't a combination (and it probably needs to be both of these) of 1. us drafting a corner high in the draft AND 2. us signing a veteran, proven corner in FA, and that $2M in cap space is vital to signing that player.

[808Blackbirds]

Why are people fine with letting Ngata go?

thats the last people i want cut.

[3-4ravdef509]

Why are people fine with letting Ngata go?

thats the last people i want cut.

Don't bother asking. Gave me a headache trying to understand

[redrum52]

Why are people fine with letting Ngata go?

thats the last people i want cut.

No one wants him to go but he's eating up a lot of cap space.  I think hopes are he gets an extension like Suggs.

[gabefergy]

Why are people fine with letting Ngata go?

thats the last people i want cut.

He's the highest paid player on the roster, and he is overpaid. He's a very good player still and he is important for the defense, but the amount of money he is making is absurd for a DT that doesn't consistently rush the passer.

 

The ideal situation is that he signs an extension that lowers his cap number, but also keeps him in a Ravens uniform, similar to what Suggs did in the offseason.

[rmcjacket23]

No one wants him to go but he's eating up a lot of cap space.

Well, I think the general consensus is that there's virtually no way he's a Raven in 2015 under his current salary cap number.

 

I don't believe that the FO is intending on letting him walk, however. I think he's in the exact same position as Suggs was this past offseason... signing a reasonable long-term extension.

 

I have no doubt the Ravens aren't going to just decide not even to negotiate with him, but it is possible that if Ngata wants a large contract, that the Ravens would consider letting him hit FA in order to get it.

 

But overall, there's a 0% chance in my opinion that Ngata plays for the Ravens in 2015 at a $16M salary cap number.

[rmw10]

Why are people fine with letting Ngata go?

thats the last people i want cut.

 

It's a mix of things.

 

He's been banged up quite a bit these past few years and has hinted at retirement a few times in the past.  His salary is awfully high for a guy entering the tail end of his career as well.

 

However, this year, Ngata seems to be healthy and he's looking a lot more like the Ngata of old.  He doesn't get as much pressure as you would like for a guy making as much as he is, but he's still playing some great football right now.

 

The biggest concern would definitely have to be his health.  If he's not 100%, he's not going to give you much.

 

If you can extend him at a reasonable rate, then you absolutely keep him.  If he rejects an extension or wants a lot more money in an extension, you have to consider letting him walk.

[rmcjacket23]

He's the highest paid player on the roster, and he is overpaid. He's a very good player still and he is important for the defense, but the amount of money he is making is absurd for a DT that doesn't consistently rush the passer.

 

The ideal situation is that he signs an extension that lowers his cap number, but also keeps him in a Ravens uniform, similar to what Suggs did in the offseason.

True, but keep in mind... Ngata is really only making $8.5M in 2015 for his salary. The rest of his cap figure ($16M) comes from prior deferred bonus money on the Ravens side.

 

If Ngata was making $8.5M and that's what his cap number is, I don't think anybody would really have a problem with it. Its the bonus money that was paid when he signed the deal, which was significant, that's hurting the cap currently.

 

Keep in mind also that even if an extension occurs, he's still got $7.5M in dead money from his bonus that would have to be picked up in 2015 regardless. So assuming he strikes a deal, gets a $1M base salary, and gets at least somewhat of a signing bonus, you're still probably looking at least at a $10-12M cap number for Ngata in 2015. Now ideally that should reduce after that to a more reasonable level, but I don't think its realistic to expect his cap hit to be cut in half or more. I think any sort of extension should free up $3-4M in cap space at a minimum for 2015, and his number should be more manageable going forward.

[gabefergy]

True, but keep in mind... Ngata is really only making $8.5M in 2015 for his salary. The rest of his cap figure ($16M) comes from prior deferred bonus money on the Ravens side.

 

If Ngata was making $8.5M and that's what his cap number is, I don't think anybody would really have a problem with it. Its the bonus money that was paid when he signed the deal, which was significant, that's hurting the cap currently.

 

Keep in mind also that even if an extension occurs, he's still got $7.5M in dead money from his bonus that would have to be picked up in 2015 regardless. So assuming he strikes a deal, gets a $1M base salary, and gets at least somewhat of a signing bonus, you're still probably looking at least at a $10-12M cap number for Ngata in 2015. Now ideally that should reduce after that to a more reasonable level, but I don't think its realistic to expect his cap hit to be cut in half or more. I think any sort of extension should free up $3-4M in cap space at a minimum for 2015, and his number should be more manageable going forward.

 

Tell me something I didn't know.

[1/28/01]

Tell me something I didn't know.

He wont. Ever!

[rmcjacket23]

Tell me something I didn't know.

Why?

[K-Dog]

Webb looked better  but far from what I am used to from him.

 

That said, the Titans did a whole lot of nothing in the second half.

[GrimCoconut]

Not sure how a topic about Webb drifted to Ngata. Maybe it was an old comment or something. Regardless, nobody wants to see Ngata gone but as others stated, he has been injured and hasn't performed up to his contract at times. There was also an article a while ago where Ngata said he thought about retirement. It was probably not as big a deal as it was made out to be. Furthermore, Ngata has been inconsistent at times, though maybe that's because of injuries. He's had a good year overall, though he has been pushed around a bit at times this year--certainly more than you'd like and more than his price tag should allow. 

 

A big reason there's fuel to the fire on him getting cut is the drafting of Tim Jernigan, the selection of Urban, as well as the ascending play of Brandon Williams with the depth provided by guys like Kapron Lewis-Moore (and potential starting ability) as well as DeAngelo Tyson. That's a lot of investments in the DL, so that's where the fuel comes on that fire. Then, when you consider how tight our cap space may be next year and possible signings we may want to make, it's possible this could be his last year. He could be in an Anquan Boldin situation, where we don't want to cut him but there are needs we want to fill that his cap space could afford us. 

 

FWIW, I think cutting Ngata is the last thing we want to do. As for Webb, he needs to improve. I still believe he will be here next year, though I do think there is a chance he could be cut. I'd give him an 80% chance to remain a Raven in 2015, though that's completely pulled out of my...bag of tricks, lol. 

[Bandwagon]

So... anyone want to keep Lardarius Webb?

[rmw10]

So... anyone want to keep Lardarius Webb?

 

For how much we're going to be paying him anyway, we might as well.  Just have to hope he can regain form and get some rest and a healthy offseason.

[Bltravens]

He's bad now.  Just flat out bad.  He can't pivot or turn and run anymore.  He's pretty useless at CB.  He actually might be better suited to be the FS now and let Will Hill play SS and that way we'll actually have 2 guys that know how to play zone coverage and read route combinations.  That's the only way we're going to get anything remotely close to the worth of Webb's contract now.  His days as a good corner are gonezo.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not sure Webb is even an option at FS. I'm not seeing the instincts to put him there. He certainly still has recovery speed but the gambles he takes at times would lead to really big gains at FS. And to be a safety it's important to tackle, which is a really he has somewhat lost. He used to be really good at tackling too.

[Raving_Heathen]

He's trying to come back from two ACL injuries. Hard to say whether he's done after 3/4's of a year. I'd like to see him back next year, but I wouldn't cry if he was released.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Personally, I don't see him not being back, but I see it at a pretty good pay cut. No team will pay him much when he's been so injury prone recently

 

how many full games did he play since his payday @ 2012?

[Ravenseconbeast]

He's bad now.  Just flat out bad.  He can't pivot or turn and run anymore.  He's pretty useless at CB.  He actually might be better suited to be the FS now and let Will Hill play SS and that way we'll actually have 2 guys that know how to play zone coverage and read route combinations.  That's the only way we're going to get anything remotely close to the worth of Webb's contract now.  His days as a good corner are gonezo.

 

only if webb is worth that kind of experiment.   with the money his getting, i'd rather sign a an actual FS in the market thats viable or draft a great one.

[Static]

Webb and Elam can hold hands into the sunset on the back of Pees' Horse

[TuckerTime9]

Can we try out Jacoby Jones at corner? Anything could be an upgrade over the trash we've got. 

[redlobster]

He will be there due to his $$ or will be a post June 1 cut but in reality if he is cut who is left ? At earliest he won't be gone till after the draft , when they see if they got any secidary help

[K-Dog]

Webb was not the weak spot today.

I would love to know how many times Webb was targeted as compared to Levine who was absolutely a weak spot today.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Webb was not the weak spot today.

I would love to know how many times Webb was targeted as compared to Levine who was absolutely a weak spot today.

 

more gorrer than levine.  but yeah, both stunk

[H8R]

Webb was not the weak spot today.

I would love to know how many times Webb was targeted as compared to Levine who was absolutely a weak spot today.

Webb was horrible today, as was the whole secondary... I'm glad to see that Will Hill savior talk is all but over... He's nothing special in this defense, at least not yet.

I feel like Webb is either washed up or the injuries are lingering... I don't know if he'll ever be a top notch player again. He can't cover and gives up a 10 yard cushion aka free first down before the ball is snapped. He doesn't seem to be able to drive and come forward and his back pedal is sloooooow.

[ratedr]

Webb is washed. It's always "he's gotta get healthy" but the point is that he NEVER IS.

[ravensnick]

Salary vs Play, I don't see Webb returning without an extremely friendly restructure.

[ravensnick]

Can we try out Jacoby Jones at corner? Anything could be an upgrade over the trash we've got. 

I thought to myself, "Just put Steve back there, because he'll actually play with some pride and passion."

[Dfence4champs2052]

Goodbye, Webb. Mercifully.