Lardarius Webb (merged)

[BmoreBird22]

http://nfltraderumors.co/lardarius-webb-unlikely-to-be-back-with-the-ravens-next-year/

Interesting speculation by Hensley. The Ravens are extremely tight to the cap, so maybe it'd be a move the Ravens truly look at

[BmoreBird22]

Personally, I don't see him not being back, but I see it at a pretty good pay cut. No team will pay him much when he's been so injury prone recently

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not very convinced this happens. I suppose he could be a post June 1st cut, but by cutting him you lose a lot even if he is injured and the savings isn't truly that staggering. I think Koch or Canty &/or Ngata are more realistic, as we have a lot more depth at that area than at CB.

I suppose it depends on whether we can get quality players in free agency. We can creatively free up cap space by extending Jimmy and reducing his $6m base salary to save on cap. Jimmy is a long term player.

[BmoreBird22]

I'm not very convinced this happens. I suppose he could be a post June 1st cut, but by cutting him you lose a lot even if he is injured and the savings isn't truly that staggering. I think Koch or Canty &/or Ngata are more realistic, as we have a lot more depth at that area than at CB.

I suppose it depends on whether we can get quality players in free agency. We can creatively free up cap space by extending Jimmy and reducing his $6m base salary to save on cap. Jimmy is a long term player.

The only reason I see it as realistic is because he tore his ACL, so he was out for 14 games including the playoffs, then took about half the season to get back to healthy. This season he's only played in one game (I do not count the Browns game) and was very limited in Indy. He needs to lower that cap hit

[GrimCoconut]

The only reason I see it as realistic is because he tore his ACL, so he was out for 14 games including the playoffs, then took about half the season to get back to healthy. This season he's only played in one game (I do not count the Browns game) and was very limited in Indy. He needs to lower that cap hit

Yeah, I still don't buy it yet. I think he's gone in 2016, but I think he'll stick around for at least 2015.

Also, I'm not sure how much we'll really save by cutting him. I've heard different details on his savings. Hensley says $5M, Spotrac agrees, but Over The Cap disagrees, and their figures make more sense if I'm being honest.

I'd really like to get one of PJ Williams, Marcus Peters or Trae Waynes. There are others I really like a lot, too, but I think those are some of the best and I've seen a lot of them. I'm especially in love with Peters.

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, I still don't buy it yet. I think he's gone in 2016, but I think he'll stick around for at least 2015.

Also, I'm not sure how much we'll really save by cutting him. I've heard different details on his savings. Hensley says $5M, Spotrac agrees, but Over The Cap disagrees, and their figures make more sense if I'm being honest.

I'd really like to get one of PJ Williams, Marcus Peters or Trae Waynes. There are others I really like a lot, too, but I think those are some of the best and I've seen a lot of them. I'm especially in love with Peters.

I see him being back, just not at his salary. I can't see the Ravens letting him go with their depth issues, but at the same time, you cannot count consistently on Webb, so he needs to take a pay cut. The market value for him can't be terribly high after he's missed 18 games in two seasons and nine games (including payoffs). That's half his games, and for another nine he was pretty limited. 

[GrimCoconut]

I see him being back, just not at his salary. I can't see the Ravens letting him go with their depth issues, but at the same time, you cannot count consistently on Webb, so he needs to take a pay cut. The market value for him can't be terribly high after he's missed 18 games in two seasons and nine games (including payoffs). That's half his games, and for another nine he was pretty limited. 

Yeah, a pay cut could be possible. I'm not sure but we will see. He could be in a Jameel McClain situation, where he takes a pay cut to remain on the team rather than hitting the market coming off of countless injuries. 

[rmw10]

I don't see him going anywhere, and I also don't see where that $5M number comes from.  As Grim said, OTC seems to have a good breakdown and they definitely have his restructure counted in.  I admittedly haven't checked Spotrac or anything else though.  If I remember correctly, OTC has it as $10M in dead money and a $12M cap hit to keep him.  For the extra $2M, you keep a CB that has proven to be a lockdown guy in the past.  The only time I see us saving more is if we do post-June 1st, but that doesn't really give us the money when we need it.

[BmoreBird22]

I don't see him going anywhere, and I also don't see where that $5M number comes from.  As Grim said, OTC seems to have a good breakdown and they definitely have his restructure counted in.  I admittedly haven't checked Spotrac or anything else though.  If I remember correctly, OTC has it as $10M in dead money and a $12M cap hit to keep him.  For the extra $2M, you keep a CB that has proven to be a lockdown guy in the past.  The only time I see us saving more is if we do post-June 1st, but that doesn't really give us the money when we need it.

I'm very on board with the whole pay cut idea.

[3-4ravdef509]

http://nfltraderumors.co/lardarius-webb-unlikely-to-be-back-with-the-ravens-next-year/

Interesting speculation by Hensley. The Ravens are extremely tight to the cap, so maybe it'd be a move the Ravens truly look at

Honestly, something does have to give between Pitta, Rice, and Webb. Not to mention Ngata and Joe getting a lot of money too. Throw Suggs in there, and we're also going to have to dish out some cash for at least 1 Smith

[CalvinSmoke]

Luckily we've got a good amount of young guys that wont reach the big pay day for a few more years.

[Crabcakes&Football]

Here's the thing, he's probably our best chance to field a respectable secondary alongside Jimmy. We could and should draft at least one corner next year, but how likely is it he'll be ready to start as a rookie? You save 5 mil in cap space by cutting Webb next year, but that's cheap for a good corner. I guess it all depends on how he rebounds and if he stays healthy the rest of the year.

[gabefergy]

It's hard to envision a scenario where Webb is gone, especially if he gets back to 100%. Having him and Jimmy is one of the best CB tandems in the league. He has to get healthy though. The Ravens could do a post June 1 cut if he doesnt get back on track. I just find it unlikely.

[rmcjacket23]

Honestly, something does have to give between Pitta, Rice, and Webb. Not to mention Ngata and Joe getting a lot of money too. Throw Suggs in there, and we're also going to have to dish out some cash for at least 1 Smith

Well, essentially, there's nothing we can do about Pitta and Rice. Rice is going to cost $9.5M against the cap next season, and that can't change. Pitta would cost substantially more to cut than he would to keep, regardless of whether he's playing or not.

 

An extension for Ngata that lowers his cap number is the biggest way we will pick up some space in my opinion.

[Wildabeast88]

My opinion Koch is an expensive punter plus Ngata would be in the last year of his contract and a candidate for restructure also I agree about Canty being released as well

[BmoreBird22]

It's hard to envision a scenario where Webb is gone, especially if he gets back to 100%. Having him and Jimmy is one of the best CB tandems in the league. He has to get healthy though. The Ravens could do a post June 1 cut if he doesnt get back on track. I just find it unlikely.

I can't see a scenario where he's gone, but I can't see one where he's back at the same salary

[PoeDinkum]

Webb's durability issues and injury history make him a concern for this team in 2015.

I wouldn't have said this before this year, and it pains me to say it, and I REALLY hope I'm wrong, but there is NO WAY this team should include him in their plans after this year.

While I don't doubt he does what he can to get on the field and does make our team better when playing due to the state of our struggling  secondary (which at this point really isn't saying much) it would be a mistake to think that he will heal up to return to form in 2015.

Bottom line: for us, or most teams, he's an expensive nickel, though some other team more desparate for a quality corner who would overpay such as Jets or Bears would pick him up to play corner post June 1 based on his past success.

 

I remember thinking that he just might have challenged Prime TIme for corner dominance in the NFL, but injuries have sidetracked and frankly derailed this once promising superstar talent.

[gabefergy]

I can't see a scenario where he's gone, but I can't see one where he's back at the same salary

It's extremely rare for players to take a pay cut though. The Ravens don't gain much by cutting him, and after restructuring him this year it's even more unlikely.

[BmoreBird22]

It's extremely rare for players to take a pay cut though. The Ravens don't gain much by cutting him, and after restructuring him this year it's even more unlikely.

It's just so tough because he's struggled so much since the contract was signed, but like you said, a pay cut isn't likely.

[rmw10]

As I thought...

 

Brian McFarland ‏@RavensSalaryCap1 minute ago

The recently published(ESPN) #'s on cost of cutting LardariusWebb in '15 are inaccurate. Cutting Webb would save only $2M pre-6/1, $8M after

[Greatness]

I believe he'll take a cut before he leaves the team. He'll get paid, but not a lot on the FA market. Two spaghetti knees and back problems? No sir.

[GrimCoconut]

Does anyone remember what happened with Domonique Foxwoth? Anyone? A guy who had multiple injuries and was gone when we could afford to let him go? Maybe I'm wrong here, but I see some similarities. I see no reason Webb has to take a pay cut (personally) and I see no reason he won't be here in 2015, which I do think is his last year as a Raven unless we take the post-June 1st cut. 

[gabefergy]

Does anyone remember what happened with Domonique Foxwoth? Anyone? A guy who had multiple injuries and was gone when we could afford to let him go? Maybe I'm wrong here, but I see some similarities. I see no reason Webb has to take a pay cut (personally) and I see no reason he won't be here in 2015, which I do think is his last year as a Raven unless we take the post-June 1st cut.

Didn't Foxworth retire? I don't think there is any plans to get rid of Webb unless he just can't cut it on the field. It may come to that point, but I think he still has plenty left.

[Drew P]

Too thin at the position to get cute and play a numbers game especially now

[The Mom Gene]

No way we are getting rid of Webb, especially when we are so thin, I agree.  There are just way too many people out there trying to stir up controversy...  example:  Hensley.    We are at Week 6, and he is starting this stuff already...  nobody knows where or what's going to happen next year....  not yet anyway.

[GrimCoconut]

Didn't Foxworth retire? I don't think there is any plans to get rid of Webb unless he just can't cut it on the field. It may come to that point, but I think he still has plenty left.

I have my theories on that requirement but I don't think it'll do much good to share them.

I just see a similarity between him and Webb because a lot of people thought he would be gone and he'd return the next year. That's the point. I just don't see Webb going anywhere yet.

[B-more Ravor]

I don't see him going anywhere, and I also don't see where that $5M number comes from.  As Grim said, OTC seems to have a good breakdown and they definitely have his restructure counted in.  I admittedly haven't checked Spotrac or anything else though.  If I remember correctly, OTC has it as $10M in dead money and a $12M cap hit to keep him.  For the extra $2M, you keep a CB that has proven to be a lockdown guy in the past.  The only time I see us saving more is if we do post-June 1st, but that doesn't really give us the money when we need it.

 

 

You are correct, Hensley and Spotrac are incorrect (kinda goes with the territory for both of them).

 

OTC is correct.  The Cap savings is only $2M, with a whopping $10M in dead money hitting the Cap.  With them already carrying $9.5M for Rice, I'd be surprised to see them cut Webb loose like that.

 

But, I guess a lot will depend on how he plays - and if he stays healthy - the rest of the way.

 

They could use a post-June 1 release on him and save $8M in 2015, but that would push $6M in dead money onto the 2016 Cap.  Probably more palatable, but still not something they'd probably want to do when 2016 is when the big numbers of Flacco's deal start hitting.

[PoeDinkum]

So, as I mentioned I couldn't watch the game today...so I am curious from those who did about feedback on two things:

 

First, Webb play any better at CB? I saw that he did have an active day according to the unofficial NFL Gamebook - 4 TKLS 1 AST 5 COMB

 

So far I saw a comment from someone indicating his play was not much better than it has been.

 

Second, Gorrer is not officially listed on our depth chart, nor did I see he wasn't officially listed as a starter as a CB, yet he grabbed an INT. Was he being used in nickel packages, or more?

 

Thanks for any thoughts!

[redlobster]

So, as I mentioned I couldn't watch the game today...so I am curious from those who did about feedback on two things:

First, Webb play any better at CB? I saw that he did have an active day according to the unofficial NFL Gamebook - 4 TKLS 1 AST 5 COMB

So far I saw a comment from someone indicating his play was not much better than it has been.

Second, Gorrer is not officially listed on our depth chart, nor did I see he wasn't officially listed as a starter as a CB, yet he grabbed an INT. Was he being used in nickel packages, or more?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Everything I read said :

Starting CB's:

Webb

Anthony Levine

Nickel CB:

Gorrer

[beasy2487]

I think this boils down to whether we think we're one or two years away from the SB. I think we're one year from a deep playoff run and two from the SB. In that scenario I don't see any problem with letting Haloti, Webb, and Torrey get away after this year. We need to prioritize Jimmy, Hill, and McPhee. If we can have another draft next year like this year's, we'll be poised to do some real damage.