Here's my bone to pick

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

A WR's stats are going to be impacted by the quality of his QB play, O-line, play design/calling (especially in the red zone) and whether he has another legit WR (or 2 or 3) next to him or if he's the only real pass catching threat.

But targets are going to be determined by whether or not he's his teams #1, and there is such a thing as an average #1 WR.

Which many of these guys are. But they're still #1's, or at least they were for that season anyway.

Incidentally, Plaxico caught 12 TDs in 2007 ranking 4th in the NFL that season. So he was certainly an elite red zone receiver.

For Ward and Holmes, Roethlisberger did not have a good season statistically: 59.9% comp, only 3301 yds and 17 TDs with 15 INTs. Same for Eli in 2007: 56.1% comp, only 3336 yds and 23 TDs with 20 INTs. So, Plaxico caught nearly half of Eli's TD passes. As for Colston, the Saints that year had plenty of weapons: Colston, Henderson, Bush, Shockey and Meachem all had over 60 targets each with the backup RB & TE both having 45 and 48 targets respectively. Brees was really spreading the ball around getting everyone involved. As for the 2 Ravens, well heck, you were there watching that season, so you know that the offense didn't truly click until Caldwell took over and made key adjustments.

These receivers don't play in a vacuum. You can't just compare stats without taking context into consideration.

All these guys, even if only average in production as #1's for that year were still true #1s (other than arguably Tate)

Ok but by this argument we have Steve Smith who by targets and by production is a legit #1 receiver, and since the original point was about us needing to add another receiver, a legitimate #1 guy, then am I right in assuming you believe we're set at WR and don't need to add anyone??

If not your evidence contradicts the point.

[3-4ravdef509]

Friends don't let friends drink and post. At least not new threads and with paragraphs of text being involved.

Not my friends lol. They encourage me

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Ok but by this argument we have Steve Smith who by targets and by production is a legit #1 receiver, and since the original point was about us needing to add another receiver, a legitimate #1 guy, then am I right in assuming you believe we're set at WR and don't need to add anyone??

If not your evidence contradicts the point.

 

We have a legit #1 in Steve Smith. but he's 35, so yes, we need to draft one or find another in FA for next year.

For this season, we actually need a #2 because Torrey has regressed so badly, it's no coincidence that most of Joe's INTs have come on passes to Torrey over the middle. I'm beginning to wonder if Cam Cameron didn't have good reason for not wanting to send Torrey over the middle (still doesn't explain his reluctance to send Boldin though).

[ravensnick]

No. The only joke is your apparent lack of understanding of my post. My point is this. A great team does not have to score as many points as you mistakenly think they do because offense sells tickets and defense wins games. By scoring 21 or more points a game, a great team usually wins most, if not all, of its games. A classic case in point was the high scoring offense of the San Diego Chargers, led by Dan Fouts under "Air Coryell".  They scored in bunches but didn't win any championships. Dan Marino led some pretty high-powered offenses too. So did Jim Kelly. How many Super Bowls did each win?  

 

By way of information, if we had scored 21 points in all of our games this year, we would have beaten the Colts, lost to the Bengals and tied the Browns by game's end. So, our record could have been no worse than it is and could have been 6-1. By the same token, we are the only NFL team, which has surrendered no more than 23 points in each of its games so far. So, maybe the question should be ... Is 24 points per game a realistic goal for this team? My answer is No. Our offense is good, not great. However, there is no excuse for our defense giving up more than 19 points per game IMO.

 

Sorry for the delay in responding to your post! I was out of town over the weekend.     

Kelly reached 4 super bowls

[ravensnick]

We have a legit #1 in Steve Smith. but he's 35, so yes, we need to draft one or find another in FA for next year.

For this season, we actually need a #2 because Torrey has regressed so badly, it's no coincidence that most of Joe's INTs have come on passes to Torrey over the middle. I'm beginning to wonder if Cam Cameron didn't have good reason for not wanting to send Torrey over the middle (still doesn't explain his reluctance to send Boldin though).

Easy to explain, Cam didn't like his WR running middle crossing routes.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Kelly reached 4 super bowls

Again, how many did he win?