Official Vent thread vs Indy : who should walk home

[ccflraven]

You have to score over 20 points to win in the nfl 

[BmoreBird22]

What I don't get is, we try not to give up the big play but do anyway so why not be aggressive early then run the same scheme in the redzone.  Defense played well, but I think this unit has the ability to do great things with the right coordinator.  We gave up a damn 2nd and 20.  I'm more worried when teams are forced to pass than run against us cause the middle is usually wide open or our shortest DB is usually covering their biggest receiving threat.  That's horrible scheming.

They could stand to be more aggressive, but one of the reasons Pees isn't is because when you have Ngata, Suggs, Doom, and McPhee as apart of the front four in nickel situations, you really shouldn't need to blitz and be really aggressive.

[Static]

Also, pass rush is our biggest issue on defense. That's the top need above even CB. We need another guy to develop behind Suggs and Dumervil.

 

Actually we need some competent linemen. 

[redrum52]

You have to score over 20 points to win in the nfl 

This

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Also, pass rush is our biggest issue on defense. That's the top need above even CB. We need another guy to develop behind Suggs and Dumervil.

 

 

We need a better D coordinator.When we first added Doom to Suggs and Ngata I envisioned us seeing QB's on their backs  3-5 times per game.Any DC that can't generate sacks with Doom,Suggs,McPhee and Ngata is not worthy of being a ravens DC.

[GrimCoconut]

McPhee is excellent and I have high hopes for Jernigan. We haven't even seen Urban or KLM, but we know the Ravens had a second round grade on Urban and KLM is really solid. I want to see the young guys first.

Those are all DL not OLB. No issue with the inside pressure. It's the outside pressure I have a problem with at the moment.

[jazz1988]

They did play a lot of man...

 

Yeah I saw man from time to time but it just got frustrating to see Ladarius Webb and other  in off man on third down facing Reggie Wayne to only see it turn into first down catch . I thought Webb played well and maybe Pees wanted to protect Webb a little bit since he may still be rusty and I still don't understand why Chykie Brown was covering Reggie Wayne.

[BmoreBird22]

Those are all DL not OLB. No issue with the inside pressure. It's the outside pressure I have a problem with at the moment.

They're DE's

[GrimCoconut]

Isn't the very definition of a muff, "touching the ball but failing to obtain possession of it"?

It honestly didn't look like he even touched the ball. That's what I'm saying. If he touched it, then it's a muff. I just didn't see it. Didn't look like it to me. Regardless, Jones didn't track the ball well. That's my issue with him on that play.

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah I saw man from time to time but it just got frustrating to see Ladarius Webb and other  in off man on third down facing Reggie Wayne to only see it turn into first down catch . I thought Webb played well and maybe Pees wanted to protect Webb a little bit since he may still be rusty and I still don't understand why Chykie Brown was covering Reggie Wayne.

You have to pick your poison with who covers who. Jimmy will take care of his guy, but with three capable receivers, only so much you can do.

[pep_meister]

pagano is probably laughing at pees right now... looking at all the talent that he could be murdering teams with.

[GrimCoconut]

They're DE's

4-3 DE & 3-4 DE have some different responsibilities though.

[psalms91]

This game was winnable but as a team too many mistakes were made.

 

On Offense

RB's

- We didn't run the ball enough, we had success in the run game in the second half and should have went with it more.

WR's

-Torrey smith just isn't physical enough, he need to start diving for the ball more, making those catches in tight coverage, and being more physical. He needs to get in the weight room this offseason and add some more upper body strength.

-Jacoby jones is sort of disappointing, aiken and brown are def warranting more playing time. (if that deep ball had been more on target to brown that would have been great lol)

QB

-Flacco made a few terrible mistakes, The last int is really what hurt us.

OL

-They didn't perform well in the first half or well against the blitz and had flacco hurried or sacked too much

 

Defense

-Line didn't give enough pressure other than Mcphee

-Corners did as well as they could against the colts, They were going to at least put up 20 points, I think people are forgetting this is a top 3 offense, the offense let them down by not scoring enough on their drives

-We held them out of redzone as much as we could considering thier time of possession and lack of our offense in the first half.

-Steward needs to Go.... he nearly injured brooks

-I don't think Elam is big enough for the NFL level he could laid out luck on that blitz, he's making me wish we still had Landry 

-Mosely came to ball today (although people are forgetting he allowed that TD )

-Webb I'm afraid will never be the same, he still doesn't look like at full strength.

 

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[BmoreBird22]

4-3 DE & 3-4 DE have some different responsibilities though.

They do, but most of your rushing is going to be coming in the nickel

[TheRavenouseD2008]

so lets hope this is our only penalty fest

[psalms91]

Also, pass rush is our biggest issue on defense. That's the top need above even CB. We need another guy to develop behind Suggs and Dumervil.

 

Its really to bad kindle didn't pan out, if we could have kept kruger for cheap that would have been great too 

 

I see corner/pass rusher/WO as a priority in this draft

[BmoreBird22]

This game was winnable but as a team too many mistakes were made.

 

On Offense

RB's

- We didn't run the ball enough, we had success in the run game in the second half and should have went with it more.

WR's

-Torrey smith just isn't physical enough, he need to start diving for the ball more, making those catches in tight coverage, and being more physical. He needs to get in the weight room this offseason and add some more upper body strength.

-Jacoby jones is sort of disappointing, aiken and brown are def warranting more playing time. (if that deep ball had been more on target to brown that would have been great lol)

QB

-Flacco made a few terrible mistakes, The last int is really what hurt us.

OL

-They didn't perform well in the first half or well against the blitz and had flacco hurried or sacked too much

 

Defense

-Line didn't give enough pressure other than Mcphee

-Corners did as well as they could against the colts, They were going to at least put up 20 points, I think people are forgetting this is a top 3 offense, the offense let them down by not scoring enough on their drives

-We held them out of redzone as much as we could considering thier time of possession and lack of our offense in the first half.

-Steward needs to Go.... he nearly injured brooks

-I don't think Elam is big enough for the NFL level he could laid out luck on that blitz, he's making me wish we still had Landry 

-Mosely came to ball today (although people are forgetting he allowed that TD )

-Webb I'm afraid will never be the same, he still doesn't look like at full strength.

 

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Almost injuring a player isn't a reason to cut a player. Injuires are a part of the game. They didn't see each other. However, his continuous poor play is a reason for benching when Hill gets back. Elam got cut on the play and forced the fumble that almost got the Ravens back in the game. Still, doesn't change that he got cut and never got close to having a fair shot at Luck. That touchdown was a matter of Allen getting lost in traffic. It's on Mosley, but Allen probably appeared to have come out of nowhere.

[GrimCoconut]

They do, but most of your rushing is going to be coming in the nickel

I'm not sure how not having more behind Suggs and Dumervil is being argued by you, considering the fact that McPhee is a free agent next year and there's no guarantee he'll be back. When you combine that with that fact that Suggs is playing hurt and I'm not sure what's up with Dumervil but it's apparent we need more at OLB. Urban and Lewis Moore are both coming off an injury and even Ozzie himself says you can't have enough pass rushers. You get pressure and your CB don't work as hard.

[BmoreBird22]

I'm not sure how not having more behind Suggs and Dumervil is being argued by you, considering the fact that McPhee is a free agent next year and there's no guarantee he'll be back. When you combine that with that fact that Suggs is playing hurt and I'm not sure what's up with Dumervil but it's apparent we need more at OLB. Urban and Lewis Moore are both coming off an injury and even Ozzie himself says you can't have enough pass rushers. You get pressure and your CB don't work as hard.

But at the same time, how many teams actually have as much pass rushing depth as the Ravens do? There's also ways to scheme pressure on the quarterback, as the Colts showed. I'm not upset by the idea of getting a premiere pass rusher, but it'd all depend on who's on the board. I wouldn't skip on a premiere corner or receiver just to get a pass rusher.

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Campanaro and Marlon Brown need to get more reps. Not putting Campanaro in at all is just a joke.

[GrimCoconut]

But at the same time, how many teams actually have as much pass rushing depth as the Ravens do? There's also ways to scheme pressure on the quarterback, as the Colts showed. I'm not upset by the idea of getting a premiere pass rusher, but it'd all depend on who's on the board. I wouldn't skip on a premiere corner or receiver just to get a pass rusher.

I never said that. You're implying something that was never stated. I said it's clear we need another pass rusher and it's a bigger need than CB. It is. We have a drought at sacks. That's a problem because it makes it harder on the secondary. I think part of the problem is scheme, but even with a new scheme we need another pass rusher to develop behind two aging OLB with a pending free agent in McPhee.

But CB and WR are certainly up there and if OLB is a top need then CB and WR are easily right behind it in a tight race at 2 & 3 in no particular order.

[allblackraven]

We need a better D coordinator.When we first added Doom to Suggs and Ngata I envisioned us seeing QB's on their backs  3-5 times per game.Any DC that can't generate sacks with Doom,Suggs,McPhee and Ngata is not worthy of being a ravens DC.

It's not DC's fault that Dumervil can be effective ONLY when Sizzle is 100%. It's been like that since the fax blunder.

 

We lost today because of poor O line play, turnovers and bad discipline toward the end of the game.

Torrey isn't doing anything. It's been 5 full games that he is non-factor in our offense. That's not WR1 and I doubt he'll get WR1 money after this season.

[BmoreBird22]

I never said that. You're implying something that was never stated. I said it's clear we need another pass rusher and it's a bigger need than CB. It is. We have a drought at sacks. That's a problem because it makes it harder on the secondary. I think part of the problem is scheme, but even with a new scheme we need another pass rusher to develop behind two aging OLB with a pending free agent in McPhee.

But CB and WR are certainly up there and if OLB is a top need then CB and WR are easily right behind it in a tight race at 2 & 3 in no particular order.

I disagree. Outside of today, the Ravens had a steady dose of pressure, but were unfortunately playing offenses that got the ball out extremely quickly or used lots of screens. Today was the first outing where I thought the entire rush was off.

[GrimCoconut]

I disagree. Outside of today, the Ravens had a steady dose of pressure, but were unfortunately playing offenses that got the ball out extremely quickly or used lots of screens. Today was the first outing where I thought the entire rush was off.

I'll just agree to disagree then. Nothing else to say on the matter. I'm done debating it.

[psalms91]

Almost injuring a player isn't a reason to cut a player. Injuires are a part of the game. They didn't see each other. However, his continuous poor play is a reason for benching when Hill gets back. Elam got cut on the play and forced the fumble that almost got the Ravens back in the game. Still, doesn't change that he got cut and never got close to having a fair shot at Luck. That touchdown was a matter of Allen getting lost in traffic. It's on Mosley, but Allen probably appeared to have come out of nowhere.

Yeah it seems they finally have started giving brooks for reps, he seems to have the ability to be a playmaker, that one TD steward let up either last week or the week before was inexcusable though.

 

I think I'll give elam another season to develop before I have a full fledged opinion on him. To be honest the secondary is a mess with steward as a band aid SS, brooks still developing, safeties performing corner duties, and webb banged up. 

 

That coverage mistake on the TD was a excusable but I feel like they wanted to create a mismatch with a TE on a LB with that play. Was that drive from the flacco INT?

[BmoreBird22]

I'll just agree to disagree then. Nothing else to say on the matter. I'm done debating it.

I'm just saying that I don't think pass rush is as big a need as you do. I know they haven't gotten sacks, but they've gotten good pressure. I'd much rather have a corner since the Ravens are giving up an inordinate amount of plays over 20 yards

[arnie_uk]

Torrey simply has to catch that

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah it seems they finally have started giving brooks for reps, he seems to have the ability to be a playmaker, that one TD steward let up either last week or the week before was inexcusable though.

 

I think I'll give elam another season to develop before I have a full fledged opinion on him. To be honest the secondary is a mess with steward as a band aid SS, brooks still developing, safeties performing corner duties, and webb banged up. 

 

That coverage mistake on the TD was a excusable but I feel like they wanted to create a mismatch with a TE on a LB with that play. Was that drive from the flacco INT?

Brooks is starting to get a lot of reps and he's making the most of them. The Ravens will surely use a lot of three safeties with Brooks and Hill.

 

He certainly does a lot better at the line of scrimmage. This year he's just being asked to learn a lot. He's being asked to learn SS, FS, corner, and nickel. A lot.

 

I don't remember if it was off a turnover, but I do think the Colts intentionally delayed his release and used a lot of crossing routes to free him up

[3-4ravdef509]

Torrey simply has to catch that

Yes yes.

[psalms91]

Torrey simply has to catch that

 

Yeah I think he def has something mentally going on, he did always have questions about his hand skills, The problem is that him and flacco aren't on in sync with timing and he isn't play physical enough making hard catches and YAC