Official Vent thread vs Indy : who should walk home

[beanfigger]

The defense sure does step up when put in tight situations. I just wish they would step up when they don't have their backs against the wall. I don't expect three and outs every time, but at least one or two three and outs every now and then would be nice. I just want to be reminded that this is a possibility every once in a while. We allow teams to flip the field at minimum on every possession.

[Blowe]

Why are we deferring to the second second quarter? Our offense should be out there warming up, not the team that leads the league in time of possession. Good game thou, we'll learn and move on!

[BmoreBird22]

At first I was thinking the same thing, but when I watch the replay of that one play, even if Marlon had dove out last second for that ball it would've been a extremely tough catch.

It would have been tought, like really tough, but it looked like he slowed down and didn't really give too much effort into going for it.

[3-4ravdef509]

Well, I mean let's be fair here, it is only his second NFL game, and an away one at that. Geesh!

I agree, I believe that the offensive lines troubles were more scheme related rather than any individuals play. The Colts had a good game plan to put pressure on Joe, and we did not adjust to it well

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

2. The Ravens draft record really doesn't inspire much confidence.

 

 

 

I don't understand why some people use that as an argument to not draft wr's.Since we're bad at drafting at that position and better at others we should use more picks to overcompensate for our ineptness.We should use higher picks and use them often to eventually hit on one like you said.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

The defense sure does step up when put in tight situations. I just wish they would step up when they don't have their backs against the wall. I don't expect three and outs every time, but at least one or two three and outs every now and then would be nice. I just want to be reminded that this is a possibility every once in a while. We allow teams to flip the field at minimum on every possession.

That's the defensive coordinators mentality of bend but don't break.

[3-4ravdef509]

It would have been tought, like really tough, but it looked like he slowed down and didn't really give too much effort into going for it.

Yeah, I agree with you.

I know it's tough to know, unless you were actually there watching the game, but why weren't there many quick throws that would have combated the blitzes being thrown at us? We didn't seem to adapt to that as the game progressed. I didn't see many quick throws over the middle, the only quick throws we attempted were screens and whatnot that the colts covered very well

[The Raven]

I agree, I believe that the offensive lines troubles were more scheme related rather than any individuals play. The Colts had a good game plan to put pressure on Joe, and we did not adjust to it well

 

Sorry, no. The scheme is primarily responsible for determining player assignments. It is not responsible for LTs getting beat around the edge and centers missing blocks.

 

What we saw today was a failure to execute a scheme that we ARE built for now. What we saw was a blitz scheme that few lines could have stopped. 

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, I agree with you.

I know it's toffe Jenoa Mesera Schily there, but why weren't we able to get any separation or QuickVerse forget to combat the pressure? I didn't see many quick throws over the middle, the only quick throws we attempted were screens and whatnot that the colts covered very well

I didn't really see many screens. A lot of flare routes to the backs, but no screens, which I personally think would have been huge to combat the blitz.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't feel like Webb, Jackson, or Brown played well. They all had incredibly large cushions (likely due to not being able to play man coverage well) and were too quick to open their hips, which really allowed easy underneath throws. It was really annoying to see the Colts receivers not have anyone within five yards of them.

The pass rush was an absolute joke. Suggs and Dumervil were getting handled by tight ends in single man blocking assignments. They weren't even being doubled. Just a third string tight end doing a fantastic blocking job.

Can't blame the offensive line a ton because of how much the Colts overloaded the Ravens blockers, but Hurst did get beat around the edge quite a bit, but it didn't seem like Kubiak tried to help him out with a chip here or there and he certainly didn't do any favors for the offensive line with any screens.

Overall, a very disappointing day, but I have got to give major props to the defense for at least holding the Colts to just 20 points when they held the ball for damn near 40 minutes. If the TOP were any closer, the Ravens would have won. Just allowed too many time consuming drives with lots of long conversions.

Well yeah, but Webb is coming off of being out of football for quite some time after missing a lot of live action. I didn't expect him to be a world beater. He played better than my expectations for him at this point.

[BmoreBird22]

Sorry, no. The scheme is primarily responsible for determining player assignments. It is not responsible for LTs getting beat around the edge and centers missing blocks.

 

What we saw today was a failure to execute a scheme that we ARE built for now. What we saw was a blitz scheme that few lines could have stopped. 

It's what I miss most about Pags

[pep_meister]

There's just two problems with that.

 

1.That suggests that we will be counting on rookies to carry the receiving game and 2. The Ravens draft record really doesn't inspire much confidence.

 

But they have to hit a home run eventually, right?

who cares if a rookie is carrying the receiving game. cj mosley is carrying the entire defense.

[BmoreBird22]

Well yeah, but Webb is coming off of being out of football for quite some time after missing a lot of live action. I didn't expect him to be a world beater. He played better than my expectations for him at this point.

He got easily beat quite a bit because he was too quick to open his hips

[Lightlock]

We deserved to lose this one. If we had won at the end, I would have said the same thing.  Defense played really well considering the matchup, but Offense and ST......pathetic. Pa-the-tic. Dropped passes, poor O-line performance, Jacoby Jones still mentally not ready for this season, even if he did have one good gainer near the end.  If a rookie had made the mistakes that Jacoby has made this season, that rookie would never see another down of football for Baltimore. I seriously wonder if he needs corrective eye surgery if it's a vision problem.

 

When all sides do their jobs and don't commit stupid mistakes, we are tough to beat. This up-and-down O performance from week to week is annoying, but at least it has more potential (when healthy) than last year's crew. Get focused and beat the crap out of Tampa Bay next week !!

[Raving_Heathen]

who cares if a rookie is carrying the receiving game. cj mosley is carrying the entire defense.

 

and Jimmy Smith

[BmoreBird22]

who cares if a rookie is carrying the receiving game. cj mosley is carrying the entire defense.

Can we at least try to recognize Jimmy Smith?

[jazz1988]

Smith had his man beat. It was the right call to go to him with how open he was

 

It was disappointing to see Smith drop that one but it is what it is. Hopefully this won't hurt him mental and instead just make him better.

[The Raven]

Jacoby should just retire to focus on his dancing career.

[beanfigger]

That's the defensive coordinators mentality of bend but don't break.

 

I hear this all the time, but I highly doubt we are trained to allow three or four first downs before stopping a team. Bend but don't break is just a cliche. It isn't a true scheme. Our defense was getting so much praise today, and they did play very well in the redzone, force turnovers, and keep the score low, but we can't just say the offense screwed us and caused the TOP difference all by themselves. It isn't like our O went three and out every time, but even if they did, is that any excuse for us not to try and do the same thing. Why can't bend but don't break mean give up 6 or 7 yards per set of downs instead of 30 or 40 per series?

[BmoreBird22]

It was disappointing to see Smith drop that one but it is what it is. Hopefully this won't hurt him mental and instead just make him better.

It won't hurt him because that was nothing new

[3-4ravdef509]

I didn't really see many screens. A lot of flare routes to the backs, but no screens, which I personally think would have been huge to combat the blitz.

I saw a few receiver screens, a lot little hitch routes and little dump offs like that.

A few running backs screens we ran got blown up

[BSHU_Miami]

Marlon really should have got that deep launch by Joe.

[GrimCoconut]

He got easily beat quite a bit because he was too quick to open his hips

Yeah but he's rusty. I didn't even except him to play how he did. I expected a lot worse. I guess it's a matter of expectations, because I thought he looked like garbage against (I think) Cleveland.

[Raving_Heathen]

Jacoby Jones still mentally not ready for this season, even if he did have one good gainer near the end.  If a rookie had made the mistakes that Jacoby has made this season, that rookie would never see another down of football for Baltimore. I seriously wonder if he needs corrective eye surgery if it's a vision problem.

 

Been said a million times already, but something about that Kubiak + Jacoby partnership spells bad things for Jacoby. His muffed punt today reminded me of his muffed punt AGAINST the Ravens a few years ago in the playoffs that sealed a Ravens win.

[GrimCoconut]

Daryl Smyth had a good game. A quiet but good game. Certainly better than his past four games.

[HoldingCall]

The team problems started with the early turnovers.

[pep_meister]

Can we at least try to recognize Jimmy Smith?

cmon guys. i was proving the point about rookies being leaders and playing their hearts out. moderator made it sound like it wasn't possible to expect that from a rookie reciever.

[BmoreBird22]

I hear this all the time, but I highly doubt we are trained to allow three or four first downs before stopping a team. Bend but don't break is just a cliche. It isn't a true scheme. Our defense was getting so much praise today, and they did play very well in the redzone, force turnovers, and keep the score low, but we can't just say the offense screwed us and caused the TOP difference all by themselves. It isn't like our O went three and out every time, but even if they did, is that any excuse for us not to try and do the same thing. Why can't bend but don't break mean give up 6 or 7 yards per set of downs instead of 30 or 40 per series?

Yeah, I think people need to realize that the  bend but don't break mentality refers to the fact that you may allow quick completions or some runs to gain a couple yards, but due to sure tackling and positioning, you don't allow YAC or plays to be broken open for long yardage. Sure, you may allow a three yard completion, but you make the tackle right there.

People need to understand a risk to playing a lot of man coverage or press man is that you can get beat more frequently, and when you do get beat, it hurts a lot more than playing in zone coverage.

[GrimCoconut]

Been said a million times already, but something about that Kubiak + Jacoby partnership spells bad things for Jacoby. His muffed punt today reminded me of his muffed punt AGAINST the Ravens a few years ago in the playoffs that sealed a Ravens win.

I wouldn't call that a muffed punt.

[BmoreBird22]

I saw a few receiver screens, a lot little hitch routes and little dump offs like that.

A few running backs screens we ran got blown up

The Colts just had an awesome gameplan for the offense.