Official Vent thread vs Indy : who should walk home

[1/28/01]

It's really too bad the Negative Nancy's have pushed you guys (and other positive contributors) away. This is my first season on the game thread, and it's becoming my own personal hell, also.

What bothers me the most is that some of our players have been giving 110% playing through a tremendous amount of pain (I'm thinking specifically Monroe, Canty, Suggs, this year, KO, Haloti last year), and yet we have supposed "fans" who sit on their cushy couches on their computers piling on nothing but criticism if we don't absolutely dominate on every single play..

It's sickening. Y'all know who you are, and yeah, I'm calling you out. Hope you get carpal-tunnel from all that typing and learn what it's like to "play through the pain".

Well said and oh so true.

[The Mom Gene]

That loss hurt a lot because we lost that game meaning Indy was gifted a victory by all means necessary. We simply stink on the road. Can't put a finger on it, but we aren't upto being a good away team and till we do, we can't be playoff contenders period.

This was like a Division game folks..... Remember one thing...  We weren't really expected to win....  The Colts were 2-2.  They had lost their first to games at home....  That being said...  You gotta look at a couple of things....

 

Luck was ON.  His O-Line was protecting him beyond belief.  I counted one play out where he actually had 4 seconds to throw. 

 

The reason I state it's as good as a Division game is that the Colts have gameplanned against Kubiak and the Texans for 5 years...  They were in his division....  and Pagano was our Defensive Coordinator...  Not like they didn't know what to expect....

 

Also...  In wins and losses the Colts had, they allowed Denver 31 points in one game...  and Philadelphia 30 in another...They allowed Jacksonville....  The Jags folks.... 17...  and Tennessee 17.....  YES, they allowed us only 13....  with 3 turnovers, and 4 sacks... 

 

They possessed the ball for almost 40 minutes of the game....  Us 20.  You don't think our defense wasn't tired?????    And, We were still in it at the end of the game.... 

 

Two of those games the Colts scored OVER 40 POINTS....  We only allowed them 20....

 

.  Our offense played like crap and our defense played Lights Out...... 

 

It's TUESDAY.... Time to get real, stop the whining... and move on to the Bucanneers... Get over it..

[BmoreBird22]

Thanks for the snap counts.

 

Where is your information from and what stats are you basing this on?

 

PFF has Davis ranked 1 and Toler ranked 8 in opposing team passer rating when targeted.

I was looking at their rankings based off of grade

[funky141]

This was like a Division game folks..... Remember one thing...  We weren't really expected to win....  The Colts were 2-2.  They had lost their first to games at home....  That being said...  You gotta look at a couple of things....

 

Luck was ON.  His O-Line was protecting him beyond belief.  I counted one play out where he actually had 4 seconds to throw. 

 

The reason I state it's as good as a Division game is that the Colts have gameplanned against Kubiak and the Texans for 5 years...  They were in his division....  and Pagano was our Defensive Coordinator...  Not like they didn't know what to expect....

 

Also...  In wins and losses the Colts had, they allowed Denver 31 points in one game...  and Philadelphia 30 in another...They allowed Jacksonville....  The Jags folks.... 17...  and Tennessee 17.....  YES, they allowed us only 13....  with 3 turnovers, and 4 sacks... 

 

They possessed the ball for almost 40 minutes of the game....  Us 20.  You don't think our defense wasn't tired?????    And, We were still in it at the end of the game.... 

 

Two of those games the Colts scored OVER 40 POINTS....  We only allowed them 20....

 

.  Our offense played like crap and our defense played Lights Out...... 

 

It's TUESDAY.... Time to get real, stop the whining... and move on to the Bucanneers... Get over it..

I can spin this ( and just hypothetical ) the Colts turned the ball over 4 times (2 in the red zone)

The Colts didn't finish drives (2 field goals instead of TDs)

The Colts defense limited the Ravens offense why the time of possession difference.

 

but yes the Ravens have a tough game Sunday but I expect a win from purple

[acranfor]

I agree he missed some throws, but the oline and receivers did little to help him out. The INT was just a very poor read and throw, though.

Yes the INT was a poor read, but it was also a very good defensive call. Basically it was shown as cover 1 with the CBs playing on top; but switched to cover 2 allowing the CBs to break underneath. Again, bad recognition by Flacco (although hard to do so with pressure in face), but a great deceptive call by Chuck.  Break down below:

 

http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/baltimore-ravens/breakdown-flaccos-interception-colts/

[acranfor]

It's really too bad the Negative Nancy's have pushed you guys (and other positive contributors) away. This is my first season on the game thread, and it's becoming my own personal hell, also.

 

What bothers me the most is that some of our players have been giving 110% playing through a tremendous amount of pain (I'm thinking specifically Monroe, Canty, Suggs, this year, KO, Haloti last year), and yet we have supposed "fans" who sit on their cushy couches on their computers piling on nothing but criticism if we don't absolutely dominate on every single play..

 

It's sickening. Y'all know who you are, and yeah, I'm calling you out. Hope you get carpal-tunnel from all that typing and learn what it's like to "play through the pain".

Its the nature of a forum, and probably more of a reason why most fans should do something pretty crazy - watch the game instead of post in a forum during it...

[arnie_uk]

Thanks for that. I have to say - Joe and the WRs simply did not cut it on Sunday. Poor effort. It starts with Joe, who threw some off target passes. As for the WRs, we were told how "deep and talented" we were at that position during OTAs and preseason, but they're not showing up. I'm a fan of Steve Smith, and I give him a bit of a pass for 1 game, but the other guys have to step up. We are either not as talented at WR as we think or playcalling has to change or Joe has to lead this group better. Or some combination. Also, Deonte and Campanaro have earned a chance to play and Jacoby (whom I like) has earned a spot on the bench.

We're a good team with a chance to be really good but these games where Joe comes out in first gear have got to stop. Top tier QBs find a way.

/rant

it doesn't start with joe. The games are won and lost in the trenches. We got dominated by their dline. Thats where the game was lost

[The Mom Gene]

I can spin this ( and just hypothetical ) the Colts turned the ball over 4 times (2 in the red zone)

The Colts didn't finish drives (2 field goals instead of TDs)

The Colts defense limited the Ravens offense why the time of possession difference.

 

but yes the Ravens have a tough game Sunday but I expect a win from purple

Bottom line though funky.....  Our Defense stopped them from scoring....  regardless....

[ravensdfan]

I  can give you numbers for the entire season that support that there really isn't a difference between when the Ravens blitz and when they don't, except on causes far more turnovers. 

 

You said good plays happen 90% of the time when the Ravens blitz, thought you were referring to the entire season, even though the two interceptions came off of a four and two man rush. They also generated their only sack with no blitz.

 

Actually, he blitzed 10 times last week and 10 times this week, and no, I had dearly hoped that Luck did not get blitzed much this week. Luck has 6% higher completion percentage, 35 point higher QBR, has 1.7 more yards per attempt, and five touchdowns to zero interceptions. He also has only taken one sack off the blitz. In no way, shape, or form does that tell anyone to blitz Luck. So, you still think you want to blitz Luck a lot? He's just a master of beating the blitz.

 

They did not blitz ten times this week. Where are you getting those numbers?

 

I guess the first question is, what are you considering an actual blitz? Just sending 5 guys is not a blitz IMO, depending on the actual way it is done.

[The Mom Gene]

They did not blitz ten times this week. Where are you getting those numbers?

 

I guess the first question is, what are you considering an actual blitz? Just sending 5 guys is not a blitz IMO, depending on the actual way it is done.

Just to clarify...

 

http://football.about.com/cs/football101/g/gl_blitz.htm

 

A blitz...  from the" About Football" Glossary

 

 A defensive strategy in which a linebacker or defensive back vacates his normal responsibilities in order to pressure the quarterback. The object of a blitz is to tackle the quarterback behind the line of scrimmage or force the quarterback to hurry his pass.

 

Examples: When a defensive line is having trouble putting pressure on the quarterback, the defensive coordinator may decide to help them out by sending one or more linebackers or defensive backs on a blitz.

 

Then there is also Wikipedia.....  Even though some find it wishy washy....  I like it for different things...  Gives you a good perspective if you have any questions in your mind about it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitz_(gridiron_football)

[BmoreBird22]

They did not blitz ten times this week. Where are you getting those numbers?

 

I guess the first question is, what are you considering an actual blitz? Just sending 5 guys is not a blitz IMO, depending on the actual way it is done.

As Mom just showed, that is actually a blitz.

I got those stats from PFF, and considering they have multiple people watching each game multiple times, I'm more inclined to believe them, unless you're sitting their with a pen and paper, rewinding and pausing the defensive series to tally the blitz count. Then I'd be curious to compare.

They blitzed on about 20% of Luck's drop backs as compared to about 33% against Newton. Still doesn't change the fact that it's much better they blitzed less against Luck. He destroys the blitz better than any quarterback

[The Mom Gene]

As Mom just showed, that is actually a blitz.

I got those stats from PFF, and considering they have multiple people watching each game multiple times, I'm more inclined to believe them, unless you're sitting their with a pen and paper, rewinding and pausing the defensive series to tally the blitz count. Then I'd be curious to compare.

They blitzed on about 20% of Luck's drop backs as compared to about 33% against Newton. Still doesn't change the fact that it's much better they blitzed less against Luck. He destroys the blitz better than any quarterback

And they blitzed the ker-schmack out of us............. ALL day long..... and we had no answer.

[gabefergy]

And they blitzed the ker-schmack out of us............. ALL day long..... and we had no answer.

Yeah, it was poor strategy from Kubiak. Getting away from the run really hurt our chances when protecting the QB is an issue. The WRs were not getting open vs man coverage, and he didn't do anything in terms of formation and route concepts to help. There should have been more screens, more quick hitting pass plays.

[funky141]

Bottom line though funky.....  Our Defense stopped them from scoring....  regardless....

Yes I agree..

[Rodgers_To_Nelson]

I can see already the Ravens are a better team then last year by far. Im not even a Ravens fan and I can see it. That D is tough. I remember my Pack had a hard time moving the ball on you guys last year.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Could we get a little more Marlon Brown please. Our "D" is doing a good job but you don't want to leave them on the field (T.O.P.). Marlon is invisible out there and teams are going to key on Smith Sr. since Torrey is slumping bad. Running game is an option but teams can make us one dimensional and then, well....?

[AsianRice]

I can see already the Ravens are a better team then last year by far. Im not even a Ravens fan and I can see it. That D is tough. I remember my Pack had a hard time moving the ball on you guys last year.

Yup, we are much better than last year in general.  Even our failed on the offense, we are still better on record than last year, but that wouldn't cut it for the playoff race.  We need to get better in game adjusting, importantly on QB protection.   Even Rodger playing behind our line last week game, he should probably get killed too....

[AsianRice]

Could we get a little more Marlon Brown please. Our "D" is doing a good job but you don't want to leave them on the field (T.O.P.). Marlon is invisible out there and teams are going to key on Smith Sr. since Torrey is slumping bad. Running game is an option but teams can make us one dimensional and then, well....?

I believe John and his coaching staffs will look at the tape carefully and change the lineup for the Tampa Bay game....

 

I'd love to see more Brown and Aiken

[jazz1988]

Yeah, it was poor strategy from Kubiak. Getting away from the run really hurt our chances when protecting the QB is an issue. The WRs were not getting open vs man coverage, and he didn't do anything in terms of formation and route concepts to help. There should have been more screens, more quick hitting pass plays.

 

Seems like Cam and Caldwell all over again . I hope Harbaugh isn't changing Kubiak play calling

[ravensdfan]

As Mom just showed, that is actually a blitz.

I got those stats from PFF, and considering they have multiple people watching each game multiple times, I'm more inclined to believe them, unless you're sitting their with a pen and paper, rewinding and pausing the defensive series to tally the blitz count. Then I'd be curious to compare.

They blitzed on about 20% of Luck's drop backs as compared to about 33% against Newton. Still doesn't change the fact that it's much better they blitzed less against Luck. He destroys the blitz better than any quarterback

 

lol

 

so you just said we blitzed the same number of times - but now you're saying only 20% on Luck & 33% on Newton. That's a double digit difference.

 

I already conceded that I know it is considered a blitz - I believe I stated that - but you are just nitpicking to attempt to seem like you know more I guess. Don't know.

 

Sending 5 LBs as opposed to 4 is counted a blitz - like I said - but that is not what I am referencing. Like I stated.

 

I want to see some disguised blitz packages, I want some creative blitz packages, not just sending 5 straight up.

 

But as of yet, you have not mentioned any numbers regardomg success rate - just how many times we did it. Bear in mind, once again, I was speaking only of the Indy game - and I know the numbers on Luck but while watching the game we were being successful with pressure.

[The Mom Gene]

Seems like Cam and Caldwell all over again . I hope Harbaugh isn't changing Kubiak play calling

Really???  Are we really gonna start this?    Harbaugh doesn't call the plays.... 

 

The Colts blitzed the daylights out of our weak O-Line, and they stuffed our running game.

 

It's like I said earlier today....  The Colts spent the last how many years scheming against the Texans?????  and Pagano was our Defensive Coordinator....  Not like they didn't know what we had planned....

[funky141]

Really???  Are we really gonna start this?    Harbaugh doesn't call the plays.... 

 

The Colts blitzed the daylights out of our weak O-Line, and they stuffed our running game.

 

It's like I said earlier today....  The Colts spent the last how many years scheming against the Texans?????  and Pagano was our Defensive Coordinator....  Not like they didn't know what we had planned....

I don't think it has anything to do with the coordinator, schemes or who coached who at any time. Yes it may help some but in the long run the outcome is determined by who can make plays and who doesn't.. For this past Sunday the Colts made more plays for a win.

[The Mom Gene]

I don't think it has anything to do with the coordinator, schemes or who coached who at any time. Yes it may help some but in the long run the outcome is determined by who can make plays and who doesn't.. For this past Sunday the Colts made more plays for a win.

It's just my opinion, and I absolutely do believe it has a lot to do with scheming against another team... otherwise, what's the purpose?  You don't think the Colts know Kubiak's lingo???  His playcalling, per se'?    Absolutely, they do....  Just like we know the Steelers and they know us...  That's the key... is knowing that stuff back at the other team... and we haven't played them in two years....  They played Houston twice a year...  and How long was Kubiak the HC?  7 years?  And he called the plays in Houston as well.

[jazz1988]

Really???  Are we really gonna start this?    Harbaugh doesn't call the plays.... 

 

The Colts blitzed the daylights out of our weak O-Line, and they stuffed our running game.

 

It's like I said earlier today....  The Colts spent the last how many years scheming against the Texans?????  and Pagano was our Defensive Coordinator....  Not like they didn't know what we had planned....

 

I'm not saying Harbaugh is calling the plays and I don't even want to believe that he is at all. He is the head coach so he can demand how he wants his offense to look like and not look like. Just the idea that we didn't use many screens or quick hitting passes is like deja vu all over again.  I know our offense is going to have it's down moments but when we hired Gary Kubiak my expectations of our offense was to finally be able to adjust to any giving situation.

 

There's no way we should be running  a 5'9 running back like Frosett close to the goal line on third down when we have a big running back like Zo Bot or Pierce to do that, Theres no reason we should be using  play action when we haven't even set the run game yet, theres no reason we shouldn't have gave James Hurst   with a tight end to help his block his man( Colts did that all day with Andrew Luck to protect him) , and there's no reason we should have gave up on the run game like we did.

 

We played the game like The Colt  had scored 30 points on us or something .You have to be patience  with the run game because instant results aren't going to happen all the time

[TDubbs]

I'm not saying Harbaugh is calling the plays and I don't even want to believe that he is at all. He is the head coach so he can demand how he wants his offense to look like and not look like. Just the idea that we didn't use many screens or quick hitting passes is like deja vu all over again.  I know our offense is going to have it's down moments but when we hired Gary Kubiak my expectations of our offense was to finally be able to adjust to any giving situation.

 

Definitely a fair point. Under Harbaugh we have run very few screens when you think about it, whether it be Cam/Jim/Kubes ... The last WR screen I can remember us even throwing is Torrey in the AFC Championship vs. NE a couple years ago. Cant be just a coincidence so its a fair question to raise. 

[The Mom Gene]

Seems like Cam and Caldwell all over again . I hope Harbaugh isn't changing Kubiak play calling

Gotta tell ya' dude...  Kubiak ain't no Caldwell or Cam....  That's what I meant about starting that.

[jazz1988]

Gotta tell ya' dude...  Kubiak ain't no Caldwell or Cam....  That's what I meant about starting that.

 

Oh I definitely know that but the way we ran our offense on sunday would make Caldwell and Cam smile.

[gabefergy]

Seems like Cam and Caldwell all over again . I hope Harbaugh isn't changing Kubiak play calling

I actually had the same thought, but I don't think it means much in the long run. My guess is they wanted to beat Indy through the air based on some match-ups they thought they could exploit, but Pagano's aggressive blitzing didn't allow that to happen. There were glimpses of some really good offense, but it wasn't consistent.

[Static]

Champ Bailey should walk home. Can he even contribute anything? 

[Inqui]

Champ Bailey should walk home. Can he even contribute anything? 

He was terrible - it was like he wasn't even on the field for us.