Next up: Indianapolis

[codizzle]

Yeah, Colts aren't even on the same level talent wise in terms of O-line and defense.

After watching Wayne Sunday, I'd take Cindy's skill positions as well WR,TE,RB

[Cillmatic]

Disagree about biggest test..

Cincinnati is a much better team

Cincinnati is the better team but the Colts are more dangerous. The Bengals as a team were better than the Colts last year but the Colts still got further while playing against a harder teams.

[Juviebest]

Laron being out might actually improve Indys pass coverage. Dude is a hitter and that's it. He's not even that good against the run. I'd take his older brother over him any day.

[BmoreBird22]

Laron being out might actually improve Indys pass coverage. Dude is a hitter and that's it. He's not even that good against the run. I'd take his older brother over him any day.

Neither he or Mike Adams is a preferable option.

[Juviebest]

Neither he or Mike Adams is a preferable option.

I agree. Juice and Owen are going to feast. Hoping for a first Gillmore reception as well.

[JoeCool#5]

Anyone else worry about how the secondary will fare this Sunday against a real QB. Hoyer look like all world. I know Luck is the NFL leader in passing TDs. Will be interesting how the Ravens play this game defensively and will there be a lapse/broken coverage. The key to this game will be 2 things, how much pressure on the QB, will the front 7 get, to mask the secondary deficiencies and how much the offense can eat up time of possession by holding the ball (especially the WRs) to keep the defense off the field. Will be interesting to see how Pees makes adjustments.  

[jaege]

To mediocre QBs and offenses, 4 games in. I like how everyone acts like we've faced Rodgers, Brady, Petyon and Brees or something.

 

 

And who says that Luck is Peyton, Brady, Rodgers or Brees? He is no better than any other QB we have faced yet. And even if he were, the QB does not win the game. There are 10 other guys on the field. Any weakness can be exploited.

[K-Dog]

But then what would fans complain about?

Uniforms

Flacco s emotions

helping players up

Cam Cameron

the media

power rankings

beer prices

the condition of the field

the color of the field

where Dean Pees sits

Where Kubiak sits

John Harbaughs friends

Steve Biscotti wearing shoes with out socks.

and of course.....

the referees.

[ravensdfan]

And who says that Luck is Peyton, Brady, Rodgers or Brees? He is no better than any other QB we have faced yet. And even if he were, the QB does not win the game. There are 10 other guys on the field. Any weakness can be exploited.

 

No he isn't but he is not on the same level as Dalton & Hoyer either. 

[K-Dog]

Uniforms

Flacco s emotions

helping players up

Cam Cameron

the media

power rankings

beer prices

the condition of the field

the color of the field

where Dean Pees sits

Where Kubiak sits

John Harbaughs friends

Steve Biscotti wearing shoes with out socks.

and of course.....

the referees.

Sadly I have heard and read every single one of those in the past year.

One however is made up....

[ravensdfan]

And in 2012, we said the exact opposite (also a Pees led defense). Mediocre in pass coverage from yardage standpoint, near the league lead in passing TDs allowed, and we were as inconsistent as it comes in the run game. And yet because the bend but don't break defense worked with an above average offense, it was considered fine. The only year it wasn't fine, not coincidentally, was 2013, when the offense was terrible.

 

At the end of the day, no reasonble person thinks Pees is getting fired mid-season or probably anytime soon. You're going to spend the whole season in prayer method if you think its going to happen, and at the end you'll realize you just wasted your own time.

 

That's not a solution to any problem.

 

That's what they all said about Cam in 2012 too. 

 

I actually don't think he'll be fired mid-season baring something truly jarring but I do expect if the defensive play does not pick up, he could well be gone at the end of this season.

 

The point is that yes, he is responsible for the state of our defense. It is HIS JOB to put players in position to succeed. Putting Stewart & Brown primarily in zone is not doing his job. Are they world beaters in man? No, but they are less confused and more likely in position to make a play in man coverage. 

 

And if you want to play primarily zone coverage you've got to have some constant QB pressure, especially if you KNOW your guys are not good in zone coverage. It just isn't that difficult to understand. If I did my job like this I'd be fired today.

[jaege]

No he isn't but he is not on the same level as Dalton & Hoyer either. 

 

Agreed. But he isn't on Joe's level either.

[BmoreBird22]

Uniforms

Flacco s emotions

helping players up

Cam Cameron

the media

power rankings

beer prices

the condition of the field

the color of the field

where Dean Pees sits

Where Kubiak sits

John Harbaughs friends

Steve Biscotti wearing shoes with out socks.

and of course.....

the referees.

Don't forget the infamous khakis the Harbaugh's wear

[rmcjacket23]

That's what they all said about Cam in 2012 too. 

 

I actually don't think he'll be fired mid-season baring something truly jarring but I do expect if the defensive play does not pick up, he could well be gone at the end of this season.

 

The point is that yes, he is responsible for the state of our defense. It is HIS JOB to put players in position to succeed. Putting Stewart & Brown primarily in zone is not doing his job. Are they world beaters in man? No, but they are less confused and more likely in position to make a play in man coverage. 

 

And if you want to play primarily zone coverage you've got to have some constant QB pressure, especially if you KNOW your guys are not good in zone coverage. It just isn't that difficult to understand. If I did my job like this I'd be fired today.

Actually, nobody said that about Cam in 2012. There were numerous reports suggesting he was on thin ice very early in the season, and even in the prior preseason.

 

Again, easy to say to switch the coverage. I think Stewart and Elam are far less confused in zone, because they actually know what they're supposed to do and not guess about where they are supposed to go. They're just simply not doing it. I'm not interesting in seeing Asa, Chykie, Elam or Stewart in man coverage against any receiver in this league... its just a mismatch at this point.

 

For me, its pretty simple. The safeties know where they are supposed to be and who they are supposed to coverage... everything else is just simply doing it.

[BmoreBird22]

That's what they all said about Cam in 2012 too. 

 

I actually don't think he'll be fired mid-season baring something truly jarring but I do expect if the defensive play does not pick up, he could well be gone at the end of this season.

 

The point is that yes, he is responsible for the state of our defense. It is HIS JOB to put players in position to succeed. Putting Stewart & Brown primarily in zone is not doing his job. Are they world beaters in man? No, but they are less confused and more likely in position to make a play in man coverage. 

 

And if you want to play primarily zone coverage you've got to have some constant QB pressure, especially if you KNOW your guys are not good in zone coverage. It just isn't that difficult to understand. If I did my job like this I'd be fired today.

You all make these generalizations and if I never watched a Ravens game and only followed these posts, I'd think the Ravens rarely allowed completions in man coverage and always allowed completions in zone.

Truth is, Stewart actually is decent in zone, it's just underneath zones and a two deep shell, despite the mental lapse on Sunday. Brown got beat by AJ Green badly in man coverage and all summer long we heard about how he was getting roasted deep in man coverage. Elam got beat three times in man coverage on Sunday, but I'm not complaining because completions do happen.

I said this before, but I'd really like to see how many of you can pick out a zone vs man coverage look pre snap. Most of the time you only see the quarterback in the picture, along with the offensive line and rushers of course, but you don't typically see the downfield view or the secondary. Lots of generalizations being made off of a few bad plays, but I'd love to see a snap breakdown of man vs zone coverage utilization by the Ravens and the effectiveness against both.

It's the same arguments about Pees never blitzing. Do you think he sent a lot of blitzes Sunday or not? Honest answer

[Tank 92]

Sadly I have heard and read every single one of those in the past year.

One however is made up....

 

 

I'll play....... color of the field?

[ravensdfan]

You all make these generalizations and if I never watched a Ravens game and only followed these posts, I'd think the Ravens rarely allowed completions in man coverage and always allowed completions in zone.

Truth is, Stewart actually is decent in zone, it's just underneath zones and a two deep shell, despite the mental lapse on Sunday. Brown got beat by AJ Green badly in man coverage and all summer long we heard about how he was getting roasted deep in man coverage. Elam got beat three times in man coverage on Sunday, but I'm not complaining because completions do happen.

I said this before, but I'd really like to see how many of you can pick out a zone vs man coverage look pre snap. Most of the time you only see the quarterback in the picture, along with the offensive line and rushers of course, but you don't typically see the downfield view or the secondary. Lots of generalizations being made off of a few bad plays, but I'd love to see a snap breakdown of man vs zone coverage utilization by the Ravens and the effectiveness against both.

It's the same arguments about Pees never blitzing. Do you think he sent a lot of blitzes Sunday or not? Honest answer

 

But yet, you know it was man coverage when Elam got beat. Conflicting analysis to say the least.

 

And I said, you'd need Callahan for those numbers but not sure anyone wants to sit through every single play on film to compile accurate numbers. You can only go by breakdowns, the players effectiveness, etc.

 

Sunday I think he did send a lot of blitzes. Well, a lot for him anyway. He actually called a much more aggressive game than is his usual. I'd like to see that continue. But I also saw Cam have glimmers of genius too that just disappeared the following week.

[TDubbs]

First game of the season indoors on some turf, pretty excited for that actually. I think the boys will be excited for that. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

You all make these generalizations and if I never watched a Ravens game and only followed these posts, I'd think the Ravens rarely allowed completions in man coverage and always allowed completions in zone.

Truth is, Stewart actually is decent in zone, it's just underneath zones and a two deep shell, despite the mental lapse on Sunday. Brown got beat by AJ Green badly in man coverage and all summer long we heard about how he was getting roasted deep in man coverage. Elam got beat three times in man coverage on Sunday, but I'm not complaining because completions do happen.

I said this before, but I'd really like to see how many of you can pick out a zone vs man coverage look pre snap. Most of the time you only see the quarterback in the picture, along with the offensive line and rushers of course, but you don't typically see the downfield view or the secondary. Lots of generalizations being made off of a few bad plays, but I'd love to see a snap breakdown of man vs zone coverage utilization by the Ravens and the effectiveness against both.

It's the same arguments about Pees never blitzing. Do you think he sent a lot of blitzes Sunday or not? Honest answer

oooh,oooh, I know this one! If it's 3rd &7 and our DB's are lined up 10 or more yards off the LOS, then that is zone. Am I right? What do I win? j/k

[ravensdfan]

oooh,oooh, I know this one! If it's 3rd &7 and our DB's are lined up 10 or more yards off the LOS, then that is zone. Am I right? What do I win? j/k

 

LOL

 

No raised hand though. Sorry.

[Cillmatic]

I don't get why some fans want to do man coverage, our DB's can't do it, ESPECIALLY against a future HOF Reggie Wayne and 4.3 speed TY Hilton. The only way we would have success in man vs man is if a Webb somehow comes back near full strength. In THAT case I do see our secondary playing some cover 2 man.

[DomMcRaven]

Might as well play a game: over/under that Pees calls 6 blitzes on Luck.

[K-Dog]

Don't forget the infamous khakis the Harbaugh's wear

 

Oh yeah there was that one too.

 

 

I'll play....... color of the field?

 

 

Nope.  I dont think it was on here but it could have been.

The Ravens shield in the center of the field not only could be disorienting, its tough to see the yard lines and could result in an unfair spot.

 

I wish that was the made up one....

[codizzle]

Oh yeah there was that one too.

Nope. I dont think it was on here but it could have been.

The Ravens shield in the center of the field not only could be disorienting, its tough to see the yard lines and could result in an unfair spot.

I wish that was the made up one....

Na we have had a color of the field debate before

Someone made a "strong" case to do it all purple and defended that idea very strongly

That was a long time ago though.. Don't remember who it was

[K-Dog]

Na we have had a color of the field debate before

Someone made a "strong" case to do it all purple and defended that idea very strongly

That was a long time ago though.. Don't remember who it was

I do remember that one too.  I think that was one of those stir crazy off season days...

[Tank 92]

Sadly I have heard and read every single one of those in the past year.

One however is made up....

I now remember the purple field thing. I always hated watching the college games, I think it was Boise State, with the blue field.

One more.........Steve's wearing shoes without socks?

[berad]

About time LaRon got popped for 'roids

[K-Dog]

Yup.

I made that one up.

But I wouldn't put it past this bunch.

[funky141]

About time LaRon got popped for 'roids

Yea, I was always afraid of that too.

[BmoreBird22]

But yet, you know it was man coverage when Elam got beat. Conflicting analysis to say the least.

 

And I said, you'd need Callahan for those numbers but not sure anyone wants to sit through every single play on film to compile accurate numbers. You can only go by breakdowns, the players effectiveness, etc.

 

Sunday I think he did send a lot of blitzes. Well, a lot for him anyway. He actually called a much more aggressive game than is his usual. I'd like to see that continue. But I also saw Cam have glimmers of genius too that just disappeared the following week.

I know because they showed a replay and when they show a replay, it focuses on the player and I can watch him and the players around him as the play progresses to see what coverage they are likely running, and if it's zone, what zone coverage it is. On a normal play that they don't replay, not a chance I'd be able to do it consistently.

He blitzed quite a bit and with a variety of looks. Sent lots of a gap pressure, utilizing Mosley really well, and blitzed Elam some. Had a lot of good overload pressure