Next up: Indianapolis

[ravensdfan]

I Dont neccesarily agree our players perform better in man coverage. Zone works well vs great qbs. If you keep it simple, the opponents will expose you.

 

lol but must be crap against mediocre ones? That isn't even logical.

 

We are 26th versus the pass, allowing a 93.4 QB rating and a 64.2 completion percentage. That is versus mediocre QBs. That is playing a majority of snaps in zone coverage and rushing 4. Think maybe a smart DC worth anything would try something else?????

[funky141]

The Colts are 2-2. They have played 2 very weak teams and two strong teams. One of those strong teams played in the Colts house. Not saying this win will be easy or pretty (due to our secondary) but believe we will win this one. Go Ravens!

I can spin that as the Ravens have beat the Panthers(who do not have any offensive weapons), the Steelers (who are in a down year and just lost to a 0-3 Bucs team) and the Browns (who actually I think are a decent team but are also limited with offensive weapons).

 

The Colts 2 losses were against potential Super Bowl teams and had chances in both games to win late but came up short.

 

Is this game one side for any team, no, but being it's in Lucus Oil Stadium I like the Colts a little more to win.

[BMORE21]

Luck is going to kill our secondary.. i wonder why they havent tried T.Brooks out at FS during game yet.. 

[GrimCoconut]

Luck is going to kill our secondary.. i wonder why they havent tried T.Brooks out at FS during game yet..

He played there yesterday at times.

[codizzle]

Hearing the luck is going to destroy our secondary line is already old

[1/28/01]

Need to work on a pic. Hmmmmmm, this could require a whole bottle!

[rmcjacket23]

lol but must be crap against mediocre ones? That isn't even logical.

 

We are 26th versus the pass, allowing a 93.4 QB rating and a 64.2 completion percentage. That is versus mediocre QBs. That is playing a majority of snaps in zone coverage and rushing 4. Think maybe a smart DC worth anything would try something else?????

Perhaps. Though the problem is... we are giving up 15 PPG, which is 2nd in the league.

 

So is the incentive to make radical changes really there?

[PeRK82]

I think the COLTS are going to be a tough game.

We will see how the RAVENS stake up in this league after the next few games and see if they are for real this season or not

[PeRK82]

Luck is going to kill our secondary.. i wonder why they havent tried T.Brooks out at FS during game yet.. 

Hate to say it, but you are 100% correct, T.Y. Hilton scares the living ISH out of me thinking about Elam , Brown and Stewart trying to cover him. Jimmy Smith cant cover the whole field which would be great ( Cant believe i just said that , i would have laughed in your face i you if someone said that would be coming out of my mouth about jimmy smith 2 yrs ago) WOW

 

Our Front D needs to get after Luck Early and often to force him to make bad decisions

[BmoreBird22]

lol but must be crap against mediocre ones? That isn't even logical.

 

We are 26th versus the pass, allowing a 93.4 QB rating and a 64.2 completion percentage. That is versus mediocre QBs. That is playing a majority of snaps in zone coverage and rushing 4. Think maybe a smart DC worth anything would try something else?????

Do you have any stats to back up the percentage of snaps in zone and the percentage of snaps using a four man rush?

[BmoreBird22]

Perhaps. Though the problem is... we are giving up 15 PPG, which is 2nd in the league.

 

So is the incentive to make radical changes really there?

But then what would fans complain about?

[ravensdfan]

Perhaps. Though the problem is... we are giving up 15 PPG, which is 2nd in the league.

 

So is the incentive to make radical changes really there?

 

We have faced no real QB yet and are giving up Peyton numbers. I think it is a pretty fair conclusion that an actual talented QB will have a monster day.

 

Besides, I would think that ranking 26th would be an incentive all of its own. But that's just me.

[rmcjacket23]

We have faced no real QB yet and are giving up Peyton numbers. I think it is a pretty fair conclusion that an actual talented QB will have a monster day.

 

Besides, I would think that ranking 26th would be an incentive all of its own. But that's just me.

That implies that Pees cares about the league ranking of his pass defense.

 

For what its worth, we are about 30 yards per game worse than we have been for the last few seasons now...

[ravensdfan]

That implies that Pees cares about the league ranking of his pass defense.

 

For what its worth, we are about 30 yards per game worse than we have been for the last few seasons now...

 

I'm thinking he better care when Harbaugh called for an "elite" defense this year and we've invested so heavily into that unit.

[BmoreBird22]

I'm thinking he better care when Harbaugh called for an "elite" defense this year and we've invested so heavily into that unit.

If you ask me, elite is giving up the second fewest points per game in the league

[gabefergy]

Our front 7 is going to have to show up in a big way to pressure Luck. The Colts struggle to run the ball and their OL is not good, but Luck masks a lot of problems. I think we will have to get to him early and often. I'm hoping for a very aggressive defensive approach with press-man coverage and 2 safeties over the top, but also throwing some zone blitzes. I think we have to trust our LBs in man coverage for the most part. Try to confuse Luck.

 

Indy D is not good, but they do have at least 1 good CB. I think Flacco could have a big day, and we should be able to run on them as well.

[rmcjacket23]

I'm thinking he better care when Harbaugh called for an "elite" defense this year and we've invested so heavily into that unit.

I'm thinking he doesn't necessarily, because he's a defensive coordinator, not a secondary coordinator.

 

I'm also thinking he sees the same talent constraints that everybody else is seeing, and thinking he's been doing a great job.

[ravensdfan]

If you ask me, elite is giving up the second fewest points per game in the league

 

To mediocre QBs and offenses, 4 games in. I like how everyone acts like we've faced Rodgers, Brady, Petyon and Brees or something.

[The Raven]

I'm thinking he better care when Harbaugh called for an "elite" defense this year and we've invested so heavily into that unit.

 

I'm thinking he cares more about allowing the second fewest points in the league, since, as you may or may not know, points win games, not yards.

[ravensdfan]

I'm thinking he doesn't necessarily, because he's a defensive coordinator, not a secondary coordinator.

 

I'm also thinking he sees the same talent constraints that everybody else is seeing, and thinking he's been doing a great job.

 

lol @ talent constraints Guess Ozzie better retire now then. He's apparently lost that touch.

[3-4ravdef509]

We love Joe for being clutch, but compare his 20 game-winning drives with Luck's 11 already. He's improved since we last saw him, so anyone sleeping on him does so at their own peril.

 

 

Luck: 4 game winning drives the road, only 3 were fourth quarter comebacks. Only 8 of the eleven were 4qc.

7 his 11 came his rookie year, alluding further to my point about the team around him being so bad he had to bail them out every single week. 72-97 is the combined record of all the team's he's beaten in this fashion. That's a .42 winning percentage of those teams. The most notable ones were against the hawks last year and the pack his rookie year.

Half of Joe's have been on the road, 2 were playoff games. They are spread out evenly across his career. I'm out of time to calculate the record of opponents on Joe's 20 games.

Also, I wonder what amount of games were failed comebacks (like Minnesota 2009) both players have.

 

Just got done calculating Joe's numbers. The combined records of the teams he's won in the clutch against are 160-158, coming out to a .51 winning percentage, two in the playoffs against the number 1 seeds no less. 

 

Again, I know this argument was sort of non existent as your main point was that Luck is a very good qb, which no one can argue against. But, I like crunching data, so there it is for your enjoyment. Also, when needed to perform in the clutch, the percentage of the time that qb comes though would be an interesting metric to calculate and compare, but sort of hard to calculate without watching tons of film lol. I remember back during the Superbowl though, in the weeks leading up to it, and someone calculated something like this and made this chart showing the top 10 qbs in the clutch by record in games where they had to perform:

 

 

Here's the link (it's Bleacher Report but one of the better written articles from it.) 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1507798-is-joe-flacco-underrated-in-the-clutch

 

Pretty interesting, though not sure if it means a whole lot.

[ravensdfan]

I'm thinking he cares more about allowing the second fewest points in the league, since, as you may or may not know, points win games, not yards.

 

To whom? The Steelers? Who just lost to the 0-3 Bucs? The Panthers? Who have nearly no offensive weapons. The Browns? Without Gordon? And with Hoyer?

 

About the only offense we've faced worth anythng is Cincy and they still have Dalton who did help the defense out in the red zone (not to mention some odd playcalling).

 

We'll see on Sunday. I'd love to be wrong - I want this win.

[rmcjacket23]

lol @ talent constraints Guess Ozzie better retire now then. He's apparently lost that touch.

Yeah, because everybody Ozzie touches is gold... SMH.

 

No reasonable person thinks this secondary is talented right now... there just simply is no evidence to suggest that they are. You've got Jimmy Smith, and a bunch of guys that are either playing out of position because of injury or because of the talent constraints around them.

 

Like it or not, and its considered treason to say this, but Ozzie isn't perfect. GASP. He was the main person that decided to let Cory Graham go (which I supported, and now obviously looks like a mistake). He's the one that signed Michael Huff last season and tried to convince the fanbase he was an upgrade.

 

Is he better than most? Of course. Is her perfect? Of course not.

 

Coaches coach, and players play. Right now, there isn't a single player in the secondary that is playing well outside of Jimmy Smith, and everybody knows it.

[ravensdfan]

Yeah, because everybody Ozzie touches is gold... SMH.

 

No reasonable person thinks this secondary is talented right now... there just simply is no evidence to suggest that they are. You've got Jimmy Smith, and a bunch of guys that are either playing out of position because of injury or because of the talent constraints around them.

 

Like it or not, and its considered treason to say this, but Ozzie isn't perfect. GASP. He was the main person that decided to let Cory Graham go (which I supported, and now obviously looks like a mistake). He's the one that signed Michael Huff last season and tried to convince the fanbase he was an upgrade.

 

Is he better than most? Of course. Is her perfect? Of course not.

 

Coaches coach, and players play. Right now, there isn't a single player in the secondary that is playing well outside of Jimmy Smith, and everybody knows it.

 

At what point do you stop shifting the blame to the players, Ozzie, injuries, this and it's that, and realize that when something is the same problem year in and year out - it is likely not the things that change (like players) but the things that are constant. Like your DC.

[codizzle]

To mediocre QBs and offenses, 4 games in. I like how everyone acts like we've faced Rodgers, Brady, Petyon and Brees or something.

I thought Rodgers was overrated though?

[The Raven]

To whom? The Steelers? Who just lost to the 0-3 Bucs? The Panthers? Who have nearly no offensive weapons. The Browns? Without Gordon? And with Hoyer?

 

About the only offense we've faced worth anythng is Cincy and they still have Dalton who did help the defense out in the red zone (not to mention some odd playcalling).

 

We'll see on Sunday. I'd love to be wrong - I want this win.

 

If you want to know the problem with the defense, look no further than the depth corners in the starting lineup, the safety that can't tackle, the other safety that forgot how to play cover two, and the aging linebacker who took five steps back this season. Aside from those players, everyone else is playing great. Because everyone except those few are playing well, one could easily conclude that DC is not the biggest issue.

[arnie_uk]

Yeah, because everybody Ozzie touches is gold... SMH.

No reasonable person thinks this secondary is talented right now... there just simply is no evidence to suggest that they are. You've got Jimmy Smith, and a bunch of guys that are either playing out of position because of injury or because of the talent constraints around them.

Like it or not, and its considered treason to say this, but Ozzie isn't perfect. GASP. He was the main person that decided to let Cory Graham go (which I supported, and now obviously looks like a mistake). He's the one that signed Michael Huff last season and tried to convince the fanbase he was an upgrade.

Is he better than most? Of course. Is her perfect? Of course not.

Coaches coach, and players play. Right now, there isn't a single player in the secondary that is playing well outside of Jimmy Smith, and everybody knows it.

this lack of talent excuse just can't fly. Stick to the 2nd in ppg argument.

We've spent our first 3 picks in our last two drafts. If we are short at cb and safety thats our own fault. We have stocked this defence. Lack of quality is not an excuse.

[ravensdfan]

I thought Rodgers was overrated though?

 

Overhyped. And not as great versus physical defenses. Should go check out Callahan's breakdown of statistics on Rodgers and how he fares versus AFCN teams in relation to the rest of the league. It's interesting. I forget which thread that discussion was in though.

 

I was just naming those everyone calls the elite though.

[rmcjacket23]

To whom? The Steelers? Who just lost to the 0-3 Bucs? The Panthers? Who have nearly no offensive weapons. The Browns? Without Gordon? And with Hoyer?

 

About the only offense we've faced worth anythng is Cincy and they still have Dalton who did help the defense out in the red zone (not to mention some odd playcalling).

 

We'll see on Sunday. I'd love to be wrong - I want this win.

Yes, because those are the teams we are actually playing. You know... the teams that are on our schedule and we are supposed to play and beat?

 

I doubt Pees is designing a defense to beat teams that we aren't scheduled to play and very well will not likely play.

 

I've got the same schedule you've got... I see road games against Andrew Luck and Drew Brees (with neither TEAM looking overly impressive at the moment), and I see home games against Matt Ryan and Philip Rivers level teams. Beyond that, we are basically playing a bunch of the exact same teams that you just said.

 

And keep in mind... we can get torched in the secondary and still win the football game, which is what matters. I don't see any juggernaut teams on our schedule that have both elite offenses and elite defenses (in fact said team probably doesn't exist). There's no doubt that improvements are necessary, though I don't think the improvement needs to come from the coaching booth.

[BmoreBird22]

To mediocre QBs and offenses, 4 games in. I like how everyone acts like we've faced Rodgers, Brady, Petyon and Brees or something.

Say what you will about those offenses and quarterbacks, but four games in the Bengals are seventh in total offense and sixth in PPG, the Browns are 13th in total yards and 11th in PPG, and the Steelers are fifth in total yards and 12th in PPG. The only bad one was Carolina who are 24th and 28th, respectively. Keep in mind, these rankings also take into account facing the second best defense in terms of PPG.

 

You're just trying to rationalize him being a bad coordinator, but what you can't argue with is the Ravens allowing 15 PPG and going 3-1, with a three game win streak. If the offense that's been showing up these past three games showed up against the Bengals, they're 4-0. 

 

No need for change.