Next up: Indianapolis

[ravensdan]

Indianapolis is not a very good team. They are way overhyped nationally and here. They don't have much on defense. No one who can generate a rush on our line. Redding would be their best. But not a game changer. The ravens offense should easily have their way

Luck is basically. One man show. Pressuring him will be the key but tough to do. However I expect the ravens to be up early which should cause luck to force some bad throws which he has been prone to do. He will score some. But too little.

Ravens 29. Colts 17

[Static]

Marlon needs to be our number 3. I've seen more from him tonight than Torrey and Jacoby have shown the first 3 games.

[1/28/01]

Marlon needs to be our number 3. I've seen more from him tonight than Torrey and Jacoby have shown the first 3 games.

Hell, put Aiken in the fold as well. And I loved/love JJ...ugh!

[Inqui]

Yes, absolutely. Kids the real deal. Smart, mucho talented and athletic as hell.

We love Joe for being clutch, but compare his 20 game-winning drives with Luck's 11 already. He's improved since we last saw him, so anyone sleeping on him does so at their own peril.

[The Raven]

Marlon needs to be our number 3. I've seen more from him tonight than Torrey and Jacoby have shown the first 3 games.

 

 

Hell, put Aiken in the fold as well. And I loved/love JJ...ugh!

 

Kamar looked really good in limited time today. Why he doesn't get more snaps beats me. Good routes, good hands, fights for every yard. Sort of Boldin-esque in build and play style.

[Militant X 1]

Indianapolis is not a very good team. They are way overhyped nationally and here. They don't have much on defense. No one who can generate a rush on our line. Redding would be their best. But not a game changer. The ravens offense should easily have their way

Luck is basically. One man show. Pressuring him will be the key but tough to do. However I expect the ravens to be up early which should cause luck to force some bad throws which he has been prone to do. He will score some. But too little.

Ravens 29. Colts 17

 

Now that statement is what is overhyped!  Lol!  The Ravens struggled with the Browns...on the road!  The Colts are better than the Browns and will be a tough team to deal with on the road!  Especially, with how our secondary is playing at times!  Now, am I saying that the Ravens can't win there?  No!  However, it is naïve to think that the Ravens offense can "easily" have their way with ANY team!  I'll believe that stuff when I see it man...not before!

 

@Mili

[Static]

Now that statement is what is overhyped!  Lol!  The Ravens struggled with the Browns...on the road!  The Colts are better than the Browns and will be a tough team to deal with on the road! 

@Mili

 

Disagree. He is talking about the Offense. Im not one to jump the gun but I 100% believe in this new offense. The Colts Defense is talented but is not up to the pedigree of the Browns. I DO expect a fast start on Offense. Especially with momentum.

[ravensdan]

Now that statement is what is overhyped! Lol! The Ravens struggled with the Browns...on the road! The Colts are better than the Browns and will be a tough team to deal with on the road! Especially, with how our secondary is playing at times! Now, am I saying that the Ravens can't win there? No! However, it is naïve to think that the Ravens offense can "easily" have their way with ANY team! I'll believe that stuff when I see it man...not before!

@Mili

The browns overall are pretty significantly better than the colts other than the QB position. The ravens offense has been playing well and getting better. Luck is good enough to keep them in any game. But he can be mistake prone at times as well.

[Militant X 1]

Disagree. He is talking about the Offense. Im not one to jump the gun but I 100% believe in this new offense. The Colts Defense is talented but is not up to the pedigree of the Browns. I DO expect a fast start on Offense. Especially with momentum.

 

I know he was talking about the offense man.  So was I.  I don't expect a fast start with the offense because of the crowd noise. Communication for our guys is going to be the key.

 

The browns overall are pretty significantly better than the colts other than the QB position. The ravens offense has been playing well and getting better. Luck is good enough to keep them in any game. But he can be mistake prone at times as well.

 

True.  However, I still won't assume that the Ravens offense can "easily" have their way with the Colts defense while playing in Indy.  Hopefully, they will!  We'll see!

 

@Mili

[codizzle]

Now that statement is what is overhyped! Lol! The Ravens struggled with the Browns...on the road! The Colts are better than the Browns and will be a tough team to deal with on the road! Especially, with how our secondary is playing at times! Now, am I saying that the Ravens can't win there? No! However, it is naïve to think that the Ravens offense can "easily" have their way with ANY team! I'll believe that stuff when I see it man...not before!

@Mili

Browns defense is way way way better than the colts in every phase and ravens still hit them for almost 400 yards

As far as our defense I just don't know what to expect yet

[jdynamite]

Although our secondary is really a concern for me, this battle for us will be won in the trenches. DL I'm hoping Jernigan can return and help strengthen the front, hopefully suggs and Canty improve health wise during the week. We definitely need front 7 pressure to help the secondary.

Our OLine has been really solid. We are running the ball just as I envisioned with Kubiak, Flacco had very good game yesterday and had the ball bounce our way a few times, tipped pass Steve smith TD , dropped int.

[ravensdfan]

I am not worried about the offense (yes, it feels weird to say that) but I am very concerned about this defensive style with an offense such as that Indy team possesses.

[Inqui]

I think this comes down to whoever has the ball last - or something very close to it. Coaching could be a decisive factor from about 10 minutes left in the 4th.

 

I love how both of our lines match up with theirs, so if we come in and hit them hard I think we can come out with a very measured victory. I think we stuff the run better than anyone Indy's faced to date, and we're just as good at controlling the game's tempo on offence with a balance of rushing and passing.

 

It'll be close, but if our secondary holds up against good Luck and his receivers that'd look really good ahead of facing Philip Rivers and potentially Peyton in the playoffs.

[3-4ravdef509]

We love Joe for being clutch, but compare his 20 game-winning drives with Luck's 11 already. He's improved since we last saw him, so anyone sleeping on him does so at their own peril.

That is more a testament to how bad the Colts are compared the ravens...as well as having clutch receivers and having luck air it out all game the only chance they have of winning.

Also...how many playoff wins? How many clutch performances were at home compared to on the road?

I will research this and report.

[Inqui]

That is more a testament to how bad the Colts are compared the ravens...as well as having clutch receivers and having luck air it out all game the only chance they have of winning.

Also...how many playoff wins? How many clutch performances were at home compared to on the road?

I will research this and report.

Also true, but the main point is that Luck is a quality qb in his own right that can drive down the field and come up big when he has to. He's arguably the best we'll have to face all season.

[3-4ravdef509]

Luck: 4 game winning drives the road, only 3 were fourth quarter comebacks. Only 8 of the eleven were 4qc.

7 his 11 came his rookie year, alluding further to my point about the team around him being so bad he had to bail them out every single week. 72-97 is the combined record of all the team's he's beaten in this fashion. That's a .42 winning percentage of those teams. The most notable ones were against the hawks last year and the pack his rookie year.

Half of Joe's have been on the road, 2 were playoff games. They are spread out evenly across his career. I'm out of time to calculate the record of opponents on Joe's 20 games.

Also, I wonder what amount of games were failed comebacks (like Minnesota 2009) both players have.

[3-4ravdef509]

Also true, but the main point is that Luck is a quality qb in his own right that can drive down the field and come up big when he has to. He's arguably the best we'll have to face all season.

 

I know, I'm just argumentative. 

 

And Idk, Rivers and Brees are more established but Luck's hotter.

[Militant X 1]

Browns defense is way way way better than the colts in every phase and ravens still hit them for almost 400 yards

As far as our defense I just don't know what to expect yet

 

The Ravens "barely" won that game Diz.  That's what I'm considering.  Sure, we got the W but it's tougher to win on the road and that is my point actually.  For us to assume that the Ravens offense (that plays well at home) are now automatic juggernauts on the road against any team is naïve...at least to me!  However, I agree with you about our defense.  Those boys got to step it up quick, fast and in a hurry!

 

@Mili

[rmcjacket23]

Not certain of Asa either way right now tbh. Brown is clearly better in man, as is Smith. Webb was decent in either but not sure when he's ever coming back at this point, and do know he won't be 100% ready to play with all the time he's missed.

 

Stewart is bad bad bad in zone. Brooks is only a step above him, of course that is based on very limited action right now. Not saying Stewart is lights out in man but he is way better than when in zone.

 

The point is our players are not good at zone coverage. Couple that with a 4 man rush - it is just asking for failure and that is what we get. So far we have not played a really good QB imo and we've made the likes of Andy Dalton and Hoyer look like Peyton Manning.

 

In other words, we've been getting away with major zone coverage errors. Luck will take advantage. Not saying you abandon zone, that would be absurd, but you can't rely on it as Pees does.

Sure, but lets face it... Brown in man coverage isn't good. He just might be "better" than he is in zone.

 

Knowing that, and with Webb's injury and gameday status in question, you're completely gambling with any #2 or #3 corner in man coverage. We clearly see Elam is horrible in man coverage as well, and we know Stewart is terrible in zone. Well, based on our current secondary situation, one of them is going to have to cover somebody. So one sucks at man, and the other sucks at zone... which one do you pick?

 

Frankly, I don't think Pees has much of a choice but to play zone. At the very least, the zone shrinks in the red zone, and I think that's what he's banking on. Perhaps this will get exposed more now that we will start playing teams that actually have more than one high-quality WR.

 

Assuming that Jimmy covers like Hilton/Jackson/Julio in the next three games, the thought of either Chykie or Asa playing man coverage against the likes of Wayne/Evans/White makes me cringe for obvious reasons.

 

Obviously, our best defense is Jimmy and Webb playing man coverage, with a safety like Will Hill manning the back half and letting Elam/Stewart play in the box. But that's not going to happen anytime soon, and I think Pees knows that man coverage is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

And keep in mind... we are giving up 15 PPG right now on defense. Even though we fans see how poorly the secondary has played (though the safeties are definitely the bigger problem), its hard for Pees to justify making a scheme change through 4 weeks. I think he would like to play man, but he doesn't have the personnel, and his team really isn't giving up a ton of points.

[Static]

The colts have turned AQ. Shipley into a productive player. smh

[3-4ravdef509]

Sure, but lets face it... Brown in man coverage isn't good. He just might be "better" than he is in zone.

Knowing that, and with Webb's injury and gameday status in question, you're completely gambling with any #2 or #3 corner in man coverage. We clearly see Elam is horrible in man coverage as well, and we know Stewart is terrible in zone. Well, based on our current secondary situation, one of them is going to have to cover somebody. So one sucks at man, and the other sucks at zone... which one do you pick?

Frankly, I don't think Pees has much of a choice but to play zone. At the very least, the zone shrinks in the red zone, and I think that's what he's banking on. Perhaps this will get exposed more now that we will start playing teams that actually have more than one high-quality WR.

Assuming that Jimmy covers like Hilton/Jackson/Julio in the next three games, the thought of either Chykie or Asa playing man coverage against the likes of Wayne/Evans/White makes me cringe for obvious reasons.

Obviously, our best defense is Jimmy and Webb playing man coverage, with a safety like Will Hill manning the back half and letting Elam/Stewart play in the box. But that's not going to happen anytime soon, and I think Pees knows that man coverage is a disaster waiting to happen.

And keep in mind... we are giving up 15 PPG right now on defense. Even though we fans see how poorly the secondary has played (though the safeties are definitely the bigger problem), its hard for Pees to justify making a scheme change through 4 weeks. I think he would like to play man, but he doesn't have the personnel, and his team really isn't giving up a ton of points.

I agree. I was yelling for man coverage during game, then it happened and we have up some even plays, so I quickly changed tune back zone

[Drew P]

No, you don't understand, our guys do not do zone well. They simply do not. Against a QB like Luck, it will be a disaster. They simply do better in man coverage.

 

Yes, you are right, it must be to much to think about and or no real leader to emerge back there to take charge..

[Static]

Having to help Hurst is slowing down KO's breakout year. It seems like running to the right is the only option. 

[codizzle]

The Ravens "barely" won that game Diz. That's what I'm considering. Sure, we got the W but it's tougher to win on the road and that is my point actually. For us to assume that the Ravens offense (that plays well at home) are now automatic juggernauts on the road against any team is naïve...at least to me! However, I agree with you about our defense. Those boys got to step it up quick, fast and in a hurry!

@Mili

I'm not going to be one to say offense is now "automatic" because anything can happen any week but when you can run the ball you're built to play anywhere so yea I'm more confident then pretty much anytime before because we can run the ball so consistently with multiple backs

[Drew P]

Kubiak and the Colts are very familiar with each other and throw Pags in the mix so i dont expect any surprises. id like to see the Ravens pound it down their throats with all 3 RB's to keep Luck man off the field..

[ravens533]

The Colts are 2-2. They have played 2 very weak teams and two strong teams. One of those strong teams played in the Colts house. Not saying this win will be easy or pretty (due to our secondary) but believe we will win this one. Go Ravens!

[Ravenseconbeast]

No his playcalling is not fine. 3rd & long, 4 man rush, Zone D with players who obviously struggle with Zone defense. We've had this conversation before, his scheme might work elsewhere but does not fit the strength of our players. A good DC would see this and adjust. An arrogant one keeps on calling that dreadful zone and failing in 3rd and long.

Defend him all you like, but anyone with eyes can see our guys perform better in man coverage. Yes they still mess up but not nearly as often and not nearly as big. Zone has its place but not to the extent Pees calls it.

I Dont neccesarily agree our players perform better in man coverage. Zone works well vs great qbs. If you keep it simple, the opponents will expose you.

[Gtown Purple]

If we hit Luck as much as we hit Cam we should be ok.

[DomMcRaven]

This is definitely a winnable game. It's also a lose-able game. While I don't have much faith in our secondary on the road, I do have faith that the offense can put points up on the board. I believe we scored first in all three wins this year. I expect this to continue to win. The second half will be very interesting considering Luck's 4th quarter magic. Tampa will be a trap game and then we got ATL, CIN, and PIT. At the very least, win this and/or Tampa and let the rest follow suit.

[Blackbirds Rule]

This is definitely a winnable game. It's also a lose-able game. While I don't have much faith in our secondary on the road, I do have faith that the offense can put points up on the board. I believe we scored first in all three wins this year. I expect this to continue to win. The second half will be very interesting considering Luck's 4th quarter magic. Tampa will be a trap game and then we got ATL, CIN, and PIT. At the very least, win this and/or Tampa and let the rest follow suit.

I agree. I hope we can pay Atlanta back. the last time we played them Roddy White pushed down Josh Wilson to score the game winning touchdown. I want Joe to beat Ryan.