Next up: Indianapolis

[omar586]

more reps time for Marlon and Aiken please

[jaege]

Hmmmmmmm!  Let me take a minute to digest your take on things.  I will let you have the comments on Peyton although Luck is better than Peyton was at this stage in his young career.  As far as Kubiak is concerned we've beaten him in Indy even when the Texans had their best team that was dominating the league for most of the year that season. They were not a bad team by any stretch of the imagination.  The Texans at that time were near the top of the league offensively and defensively. We had holes all over our offensive line, and we didn't have any where near the type of talent that we have now.

 

The downgrade comments are entertaining, but devoid of substance.  The Colts have continued the same type of success that was expected when Peyton was around.  If you call 11 wins a year and the playoffs a downgrade I'll take it!  I respect Joe Flacco a lot but I've seen him lose games just like anybody else.  I look forward to Sunday!

 

I have already conceded to Lucks ability, he is very good. One of the best of the new crop of young QBs. He probably is better than Peyton was at the same point in their respective careers. Although, Indy didn't carry that 4-0 record against the Ravens during Peyton's early career. It happened during his heyday, when he was far better than Luck is now. As far as the Texans, they only had the one year where they were "on top of the league offensively and defensively" and they have never had a decent QB.  

 

Also, I agree, my "facts" are devoid of substance just as are your "facts" regarding Kubiak's and the Raven's losses to Indy. Since you were using meaningless fluff in your posts, I thought I would reciprocate. I am just responding to your claims, not making any of my own. My point is, that all this success you are claiming over Kubiak and the Ravens is from a different time, different players and different teams.

 

Indy's "continued success", as you put it, could be a fluke. A one time event. Or not. It could be the beginnings of a dynasty. It will take more than one year to come to any rational conclusion as far as that goes. 

[The Raven]

Also, how about AQ Shipley? Looks like trash here, goes to Indy (again) and improves that OL. Really strange. Not sure how that happens. I think he's rated as the 2nd best center by PFF. Lol. 

 

As you said, I think it's a scheme fit. I also think he's just a crap guard because he's so fat and unathletic.

[The Mom Gene]

Torrey Smith: 5 defensive pass interference calls for 98 yards.

Next closest...

Alshon Jeffery: 2 for 57 yards.

It's no surprise he's been the king of it so far, but what I didn't find surprising was the gap between him and the next closest player.

Nobody believed me last week when I said he was being MAULED.....  Just sayin....  I watch for Torrey.  They are doing everything but tackling the guy.

[arnie_uk]

Nobody believed me last week when I said he was being MAULED..... Just sayin.... I watch for Torrey. They are doing everything but tackling the guy.

again, still doesn't mean he would catch the ball.

He also doesn't run good routes at all, it's his speed that gets the PIs

[allblackraven]

I think it will depend on two things:

 

1. Does Pees continue to be more aggressive? He called a much more aggressive game on Sunday with a lot of blitzes. Luck falls into mistakes when there is constant pressure. This will be key.

 

It will be lot harder to pressure Luck than pretty banged up Newton but AQ Shipley could be our chance - I just can't see him able to block our front. If Shipley gets a lot of help, then our edge rush might have a field day. For this to work though, we need to maintain effective running game, so that Flacco can extend possession time and keep our thin DL fresh and rested. We'll obviously need to improve our pass defense as well but I think whoever wins a battle in the middle of the trenches wins this game, too.

[GrimCoconut]

Just read that Mewhort is out for this game against the Ravens. That's a HUGE boon for us. I really liked him coming out of Ohio State and he's looked fantastic at LG and he's a big reason for their success, imo. I think his loss will be a big boon in our favor.

[GrimCoconut]

It will be lot harder to pressure Luck than pretty banged up Newton but AQ Shipley could be our chance - I just can't see him able to block our front. If Shipley gets a lot of help, then our edge rush might have a field day. For this to work though, we need to maintain effective running game, so that Flacco can extend possession time and keep our thin DL fresh and rested. We'll obviously need to improve our pass defense as well but I think whoever wins a battle in the middle of the trenches wins this game, too.

I agree only because I went and watched some Colts games of their offense. Their guards really help Shipley out quite a bit. I'm not sure Shipley will be as effective without Mewhort to his left. It'll be interesting to see how the player the use to replace Mewhort performs. Castonzo and Cherilus are two very very good pass protecting tackles. I'm not sure our outside rushers will be successful but I think this is a have where you especially want to rush with your ILB and use your interior pressure to collapse the pocket. We're going to need to use an ILB to spy Luck, because he is capable of making plays with his feet.

[MTRavensFan]

Marlon Brown was a UDFA. While I like Marlon and was impressed with him last season - I don't see him being "that guy".

 

Marlon went undrafted because of injury, not lack of talent. If the coaches see him as "that guy", what difference does it make as far as his development?

[callahan09]

Here's what we're up against in Indianapolis. I think we know what we're up against in terms of their offense vs our defense, so this is the defense they will be bringing:

Colts Defense:

• Per Drive:
  • 5.2 plays (1st)
  • 32.0 yards (T-18th)
  • 2:03 time of possession (1st)
  • 37% scoring rate (17th)
• Red Zone:
  • 60% touchdown rate (T-19th)
  • 2.67 yards per play (12th)
  • 89.9 QB Rating (11th)
• Overall:
  • 1424 yards allowed (21st)
  • 95 points allowed (18th)
  • 6.05 yards per play (25th)
  • 30.9% first down rate (21st)
  • 3.0% turnover rate (7th)
  • 5.7% sack rate (T-15th)
  • 8 sacks (T-13th)
  • 45 sack yards (17th)
  • 6.6 adjusted net yards per pass attempt (T-18th)
  • 84.5 qb rating (8th)

[BmoreBird22]

As you said, I think it's a scheme fit. I also think he's just a crap guard because he's so fat and unathletic.

He finished out his final three or four games as a Colt with positive marks, and pretty high ones at that, before coming to Baltimore. How he didn't beat out Gino is beyond me

[GrimCoconut]

He finished out his final three or four games as a Colt with positive marks, and pretty high ones at that, before coming to Baltimore. How he didn't beat out Gino is beyond me

I strongly believe it's scheme. I don't think Shipley is very athletic, which explains why he looked so horrible at guard. Colts don't ask him to do that. They ask him to play center and to go and blow guys up. I don't thin he's that good at even that, but I see him being a lot of help from his guards in Indy. One thing to remember is Yanda and KO wee both injured last year. We also played more zone than was typical and remember that there were seemingly philosophy conflicts in terms of teaching blocking that we had here. It seems it was a perfect storm. Kubiak comes, and he likes the athletic OL and Shipley isn't that. We also have Zuttah, do there seems to be little reason to start Shipley over him. That's the only plausible explanation.

That and if you believe in conspiracy theories you could say the Colts told him to suck so he would get cut and return to them and they essentially steal a draft pick from us. Lol.

[BmoreBird22]

I strongly believe it's scheme. I don't think Shipley is very athletic, which explains why he looked so horrible at guard. Colts don't ask him to do that. They ask him to play center and to go and blow guys up. I don't thin he's that good at even that, but I see him being a lot of help from his guards in Indy. One thing to remember is Yanda and KO wee both injured last year. We also played more zone than was typical and remember that there were seemingly philosophy conflicts in terms of teaching blocking that we had here. It seems it was a perfect storm. Kubiak comes, and he likes the athletic OL and Shipley isn't that. We also have Zuttah, do there seems to be little reason to start Shipley over him. That's the only plausible explanation.

That and if you believe in conspiracy theories you could say the Colts told him to suck so he would get cut and return to them and they essentially steal a draft pick from us. Lol.

The Colts do run the man blocking scheme?

[GrimCoconut]

The Colts do run the man blocking scheme?

Yes, for the most part their blocking is man and not zone, and Shipley seems to get assistance from his guards on his blocks.

[funky141]

Shipley has played pretty well at center for the Colts. He has held up his own so far.

Actually the Colts O-line has graded out tops in the league for the first 4 games this season. 

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Sounds like Pagano and the Colts are taking John's joke about them pumping noise into Lucas Oil Stadium seriously.

 

SMH.

[gabefergy]

Nobody believed me last week when I said he was being MAULED..... Just sayin.... I watch for Torrey. They are doing everything but tackling the guy.

Flacco has missed him on several occassions as well. I see him getting wide open in the middle of the field, but Joe has already decided to go to someone else.

[BmoreBird22]

Yes, for the most part their blocking is man and not zone, and Shipley seems to get assistance from his guards on his blocks.

He definitely should be getting help from at least one on any given non-blitz, but yeah, scheme isn't something I even thought to consider

[BmoreBird22]

Shipley has played pretty well at center for the Colts. He has held up his own so far.

Actually the Colts O-line has graded out tops in the league for the first 4 games this season.

Tops in pass blocking, 12th in run

[BmoreBird22]

Flacco has missed him on several occassions as well. I see him getting wide open in the middle of the field, but Joe has already decided to go to someone else.

Joe has missed a couple open receivers in the red zone so far. Wonder if it's a trust issue at all

[Cillmatic]

Does anyone know any weak spot on the colts offense or defense?

[gabefergy]

Joe has missed a couple open receivers in the red zone so far. Wonder if it's a trust issue at all

I think he's just trying to get the ball out quick. That comes at a price. There was a play last week where he throws a quick out to Steve Smith when Juice is running a wheel route on the other side of the field without a defender in 20 yards of him.

[gabefergy]

Does anyone know any weak spot on the colts offense or defense?

Pretty much everywhere.

[Tank 92]

The only worry for me with this game is the obvious one, the secondary. I think we definitely out class indy as a whole, but those guys need to get on the same page and cover their assignments. I really don't want to see us give up a ton of big plays and end up in a shootout.

[BmoreBird22]

I think he's just trying to get the ball out quick. That comes at a price. There was a play last week where he throws a quick out to Steve Smith when Juice is running a wheel route on the other side of the field without a defender in 20 yards of him.

I know against the Browns he missed a wide open LT at like the two or three yard line and he missed Jacoby in the end zone in Pittsburgh

[BmoreBird22]

Does anyone know any weak spot on the colts offense or defense?

They're missing their starting left guard, so the interior offensive line just became very weak. If you can shutdown Bradshaw and Richardson (shouldn't be too hard), the Colts have a very hard time being one dimensional. They have a weak defensive line and linebackers, and they're secondary outside of Vontae Davis isn't exactly stellar.

[PolishRifle]

I think he's just trying to get the ball out quick. That comes at a price. There was a play last week where he throws a quick out to Steve Smith when Juice is running a wheel route on the other side of the field without a defender in 20 yards of him.

 

Joe hasn't been sacked 3 games in a row also and that has as much to do with him as it does with the OL. This will improve as the season goes on and Kubiak and Flacco get a good feel for one another. Just compare week 2, which was already a pretty good performance by Joe, to week 4. That's a big improvement in quality.

[gabefergy]

Joe hasn't been sacked 3 games in a row also and that has as much to do with him as it does with the OL. This will improve as the season goes on and Kubiak and Flacco get a good feel for one another. Just compare week 2, which was already a pretty good performance by Joe, to week 4. That's a big improvement in quality.

The results have definitely been very good so far, and I do think he is getting more comfortable in Kubiak's offense. I wish he would let plays develop for half a second longer and get further in his progressions because he is missing big play opportunities getting the ball out so fast.

[BmoreBird22]

The results have definitely been very good so far, and I do think he is getting more comfortable in Kubiak's offense. I wish he would let plays develop for half a second longer and get further in his progressions because he is missing big play opportunities getting the ball out so fast.

Probably trying to avoid another Cinci type incident

[PolishRifle]

The results have definitely been very good so far, and I do think he is getting more comfortable in Kubiak's offense. I wish he would let plays develop for half a second longer and get further in his progressions because he is missing big play opportunities getting the ball out so fast.

 

But, that DID happen against the Panthers. Didn't we have a couple big plays there? If you compare, that to the game against the Steelers, when we went deep like twice, you can definetly see the improvement. It's really hard to complain about the QB play, when Joe had two 70+ comp. perc. games and only one that was slightly under 60 (the season opener and that's more on the receivers than Joe).

 

I'm not at all concerned about the offense. I just hope our secondary will be able to deal with Luck, who is on a hot streak himself. Hopefully Webb can kick of that rust, come out and play well for us.

 

 

Probably trying to avoid another Cinci type incident

 

Flacco played well against Cinci, though (outside that one mistake at the end of the first half). The receivers were just all off on this day.