Official (vent ) Talk about the Panthers game

[3-4ravdef509]

I might finally be persuaded that Smith is better than Boldin (though Id rather have both)

[hawkprey]

1. haha that's sort of where I got the idea, kinda... Obviously not going to base NFL off a video game, but I think of it like a box and 1 zone in Basketball. If you have the luxury of a lock down corner, why not allow Smith to play man on that player and then build whatever combination of man and zone around him. Especially against a team like the falcons if Jimmy can take away Julio and we can scheme to cover roddy white and others I feel it could be effective. Then again I'm not an NFL defensive coordinator so what do I know.

 

Also I think you're right about Pees, maybe he feels more confident with the crowd noise or something but he does seem to be slightly more aggressive at home.

 

Also just want to give two shout outs:

 

Joe Flacco: currently (obviously not counting the game tonight or tomorrow night) FOURTH in the nfl in passing yards. Hes at 1,055 yards, 7 TDs, and 2 Ints (one wasn't really his fault, got hit while throwing in Cleveland and Torrey was likely open). Kubiak's system really seems to be settling in well here and I'm looking for Flacco to continue his big season so far.

 

Torrey Smith: Yeah he only had two catches for 50+ yards and a TD today, but if you really watched the game Torrey drew 2-3 PI/holding calls and could have easily had 2 more had the Refs been watching the same game we were. He may not have broken out on the stat sheet but he played perhaps his best game of the season so far today

Just to clarify - I'm assuming you got the passing yard stat from NFL.com - I'm pretty sure they haven't included the 4:25 game stats yet and 6 teams have a bye. I don't think Joe is going to be a top-10 yardage passer because we run the ball so often. But he would be up there if, as you mentioned, teams stopped holding Torrey and let us take it as passing yards.

 

Teams are scared of Torrey getting deep because they know it's gonna be a TD. The 2nd PI on Torrey was 6 in the making.

[RavensFan34950]

Only complaint this week was with the safeties. Stewart needs to gain more chemistry with our players, and Elam needs to learn how to play the ball instead of the receivers. But the good thing with Elam, that is fixable ( see Jimmy Smith). Everything else was practically perfect. Im hard on Elam but I still see so much potential in him. No way am I going to give up on him this early in his career. He will be great one day.

[Inqui]

People love to call him a one-trick pony, and it may not be far from the truth, but it's a pretty good trick. It's unbelievable to me how much the defenders struggle to cover him legally, especially when they know exactly what he's gonna do every time.

I've also noticed he's good at getting that subtle push off and not getting pinged for it.

[beanfigger]

I've also noticed he's good at getting that subtle push off and not getting pinged for it.

That is something he has developed over the years, and it is a fantastic tool, indeed.

[flynismo]

But is he worth the contract we gave him? (I don't even remember the details of it, but I thought it was a bit high, especially given the lack of production this year.)

Not based off his production so far, but give him time.

[52520Andrew]

First things first, great job by Steve Smith today, I am sure it was a big game for him

 

Also the O-line has been really good all season long, Hurst doing well at LT for us today as well as an UDFA and Flacco was not sacked this game which is big against a really good Panthers front 7.

[redrum52]

Only three vents from me this week:

 

1: Darian Stewart blew his assignment and gave Benjamin an easy TD in Cover 2.

 

2: We need to tackle better.

 

3: Pees didn't call a bad game, but some more man coverage would be a welcome change. 

Wasn't it 34 who blew the assignment?  Tackling really needs to improve and the game plan seemed pretty good.

[The Raven]

Wasn't it 34 who blew the assignment?  Tackling really needs to improve and the game plan seemed pretty good.

 

We don't have a 34 on defense.

 

Game plan overall wasn't bad but I'm just tired of seeing all this zone. Doesn't work without a pass rush. More of a season complaint I guess.

[Free Agent]

I'm so freaking proud of our offensive line. They've truly been tremendous these last few weeks. Even Hurst stepped in and the line continued the excellence without missing a beat. And of course then we get to see what Flacco can do with some good protection.

[Militant X 1]

Hurst did extremely well for being an UDFA.  Props to him and the coaching staff for having faith in him.

 

You gotta throw these young lions out there in the fire so that they can gain in-game experience!

 

@Mili

[Inqui]

You gotta throw these young lions out there in the fire so that they can gain in-game experience!

 

@Mili

If only they'd do the same with Arthur Brown.

[redrum52]

We don't have a 34 on defense.

Game plan overall wasn't bad but I'm just tired of seeing all this zone. Doesn't work without a pass rush. More of a season complaint I guess.

Shows how much sleep I've had lately. As you say that I realize LT is 34.

Stewart's coverage was bad and he should feel bad.

[codizzle]

Gee, protect Flacco and give him a reliable playmaker, and he plays lights out. Who woulda thought...

It's rocket science

[wademan2636]

I just want to point out quickly that CJ Mosley received a +6.1 for this week on PFF, which is the highest grade I have seen a Raven defender get this year.  He is absolutely amazing.

[JoeyFlex5]

We don't have a 34 on defense.

 

Game plan overall wasn't bad but I'm just tired of seeing all this zone. Doesn't work without a pass rush. More of a season complaint I guess.

inside the 30 yard line, let jimmy just cover the man, the odds of him getting smoked over the top are very slim considering how short the field is, and with a big physical corner like jimmy, kelvin isnt going to just embarrass him on the deepball, why send our 5'10" safety to cover the 6'5" receiver late and deep, while our shutdown corner is playing in the flats in case theres a dumpoff. that play call really had me scratching my head, although i think overall pees has been borderline genius so far(cinci was badly called and cleveland was  alack of execution), hes playing chess while the opponents are playing checkers.

[stampedehero]

Think of the obvious. Steve scored the two TDs that beat the entire Panthers score. I wonder if that was part of the conversation in our D huddle.

Joe rightously celebrates his 100th game with a Win. Joe was not sacked this year.

I suggest the Suggs-Dumervil tackle of Newton could be captured and posted for a new topic regarding our appreciation of defensive effort.

For once, the media is dishing out congradulations rather than scorn. My quote certainly fits the formula of this game.

The best reward of the day ia the last quarter win by the Bucs over the Steelers. I looked at the Heinz field empty seats with a minute left. Deflating Steeler Nation.

[PurplePassion824]

I just want to point out quickly that CJ Mosley received a +6.1 for this week on PFF, which is the highest grade I have seen a Raven defender get this year.  He is absolutely amazing.

Wow, I think that is the highest.  Dude was all over the field yesterday.  If he's this good as a rookie, what will he be like in 5 years?

[ravensdan]

I didn't see the whole game but here's what I noticed:

Daryl Smith isn't the same player. I watched as he struggled to tackle that RB who fumbled the ball. In fact, I'm not sure he makes the tackle if Brandon Williams doesn't help him. Another issue I saw with Smith is he allowed too much space between him and Olsen in coverage. His shoddy tackling and now mediocre coverage is an alarming combination. I'm not sure if he's hurt or just lost five steps in one off-season.

Jacoby Jones just isn't the same player. I didn't watch the whole game, but I saw with to suggest that he's really just still inconsistent and Kubiak brings out the worst in him. Jones doesn't have hands...He has four feet and now he looks like he's slowing down.

Hurst looked great and better than even I expected. Still way too early to suggest trading Monroe. If anything I would entertain trading Hurst. Monroe has a very very nice deal and it would hurt us financially to cut him for I believe at least two years. I'd entertain trade offers for him, perhaps even to the Panthers. He did go to school in Carolina after all.

Happy to see Marlon, Aiken, Torrey and Steve have a nice day. Steve Smith didn't disappoint. Joe was fantastic.

Mosley looks like a beast!!! I was a huge fan of his before he returned to school and didn't expect to draft him but man!!! He's so freaking good! I think he'll take that green dot late this year or next year.

And I saw Terrence Brooks at FS!!# I'm hoping this becomes permanent.

Let's not get carried away trading Monroe or Hurst. Offensive line depth is extremely important. Look no further than Atlanta playing their tight end at tackle because they were so thin.

[wademan2636]

Wow, I think that is the highest.  Dude was all over the field yesterday.  If he's this good as a rookie, what will he be like in 5 years?

He has improved every single game this year.  -1.3 to -1.2 to +1.3 to +6.1  

 

He is going to be a star very soon.

 

Also, this brings up the possibility that, because CJ is performing so well, Daryl Smith's job (which I truly believe is only secure right now because he is a veteran) might be up for grabs between Smith and Arthur Brown.  If Mosley keeps having games like this, the coaches may trust him enough to make him the green dot guy and finally give Brown his chance as a starter.

[Tank 92]

Maybe so, but still love the guy. He is magic at crunch time

 

 

yeah, he's kinda given back the progress he made last year and his board hands are maddening. Seems it's in his head and he needs to spend some quality time with a sports psychologist.    I'm not giving up on him yet.

[jazz1988]

yeah, he's kinda given back the progress he made last year and his board hands are maddening. Seems it's in his head and he needs to spend some quality time with a sports psychologist.    I'm not giving up on him yet.

 

I think he's just doing too much and he may feel like he needs to impress more than usual since Kubiak is like a father figure to him. I think he will eventually get it together 

[berad]

Positives are obvious, consistently good running game along with the short-yardage conversions we needed. OL was dominant, Hurst isn't amazing in run blocking (see Taliaferro's TD) but did enough.

 

Flacco and the Smiths lit it up. Yes, even both Smiths. Steve stole the day and he was amazing but Torrey was nice, too, lots of DPI calls which has been a trend for him.

 

DL was dominant, as well. Stalled their running game and contained Cam Newton.

 

DBs hit or miss. Jimmy looked good, Asa as well but Elam got beat in man coverage a couple of times and Stewart blew his coverage for a TD on a 3rd down. Ugly play.

[ravensdfan]

Just to clarify - I'm assuming you got the passing yard stat from NFL.com - I'm pretty sure they haven't included the 4:25 game stats yet and 6 teams have a bye. I don't think Joe is going to be a top-10 yardage passer because we run the ball so often. But he would be up there if, as you mentioned, teams stopped holding Torrey and let us take it as passing yards.

 

Teams are scared of Torrey getting deep because they know it's gonna be a TD. The 2nd PI on Torrey was 6 in the making.

 

 

Flacco is #8 excluding tonight's game for passing yards. Both QBs playing tonight would need 420 yds plus to knock him out of the Top 10 for yards.

 

#15 for QB rating at a respectable 93.4. #20 on completion percentage at 63.4.

 

All of that while leading the league in dropped passes.

[PurplePassion824]

Flacco is #8 excluding tonight's game for passing yards. Both QBs playing tonight would need 420 yds plus to knock him out of the Top 10 for yards.

 

#15 for QB rating at a respectable 93.4. #20 on completion percentage at 63.4.

 

All of that while leading the league in dropped passes.

I was looking at the stats as well.  I think he will continue moving up as our offense gels with the new system.  One big thing that stands out is sacks.  He is the least sacked starting quarterback who has started all 4 games; tied with Derek Carr.  Also, only 2 interceptions to 7 TDs.

[rmcjacket23]

Let's not get carried away trading Monroe or Hurst. Offensive line depth is extremely important. Look no further than Atlanta playing their tight end at tackle because they were so thin.

Its laughable to me that after one game people are even discussing trading one of our tackles.

 

For starters, fans spent the entire offseason clamoring for more offensive line depth and overall better personnel. Now that we appear to have somebody who can fill in at LT if needed, the first reaction from some fans is to trade that player away.

 

Makes no sense to me, considering we are having this discussion because the incumbent starter got injured. So lets say we trade Monroe, and then Hurst gets hurt... what happens then? Well gee, if only we had a capable backup ready to play... o wait... we traded away our depth.

 

It would be reasonable to suggest a trade (after a MUCH, MUCH, MUCH larger sample size from Hurst) of somebody like Hurst... IF his contract was large. But it's not... in fact, I believe he plays for the league minimum.

 

So we've got a backup LT who played one good game, who plays for essentially peanuts by NFL standards, and the first thing some fans want to do is trade him away? SMH.

[I AM LEGEND]

I thought Elam was good with coverage. Just couldnt find the ball. Had he turned his head a split second earlier on two plays he could've possibly had turnovers.

Moving forward id like to see Will Hill playing Safety. And more playing Time for Brooks, whether its nickel or safety. I wouldn't be against Elam still getting nickel assignments..but I dont like stewart at all.

[rmcjacket23]

If only they'd do the same with Arthur Brown.

And much like Hurst, if one of the guys who BEAT HIM OUT for the job gets hurt, he very well might get that chance.

 

Not a big fan of 3-1 football teams who look like strong playoff contenders just throwing young guys into meaningful games, all with the idea of "gaining experience". That's what 1-3 football teams do.

 

Don't know about some fans, but I'm not interested in sacrificing losing games this season just to see how good (or possibly how poor) some of the young players are.

 

And remember... I know fans don't like to consider these possibilities, but it is a REAL possibility that some of these young guys get playing time AND play poorly. So who is responsible for that when that happens?

[Tank 92]

And much like Hurst, if one of the guys who BEAT HIM OUT for the job gets hurt, he very well might get that chance.

 

Not a big fan of 3-1 football teams who look like strong playoff contenders just throwing young guys into meaningful games, all with the idea of "gaining experience". That's what 1-3 football teams do.

 

Don't know about some fans, but I'm not interested in sacrificing losing games this season just to see how good (or possibly how poor) some of the young players are.

 

And remember... I know fans don't like to consider these possibilities, but it is a REAL possibility that some of these young guys get playing time AND play poorly. So who is responsible for that when that happens?

 

 

This......

[GrimCoconut]

Let's not get carried away trading Monroe or Hurst. Offensive line depth is extremely important. Look no further than Atlanta playing their tight end at tackle because they were so thin.

It was more of rhetorical statement, suggesting there's very little chance we'll trade Monroe and if we traded anyone it would be Hurst. I personally don't see any reason to trade either guy. You need OL depth and I don't want to shuffle the OL if Monroe gets hurt again if we traded Hurst. I wouldn't suggest Hurst to go anywhere anytime soon. Same goes for Monroe. I think I need to do better communicating rhetorical and sarcastic statements. I wasn't suggest we shop him, but more of that I'd entertain the thought for the right deal but that's with almost any player, even Arthur Brown. Nobody is going to give you any good value on an UDFA rookie LT after one game and I know that.