ESPN "Outside the Lines" report from last Friday

[cobrajet]

Everyone wanted to bash the Ravens after the ESPN report last Friday on their show "Outside the Lines." They ran with shoddy facts and called the Ravens less than two hours before the show aired for comment. Well Steve Biscotti disputed all those shoddy facts and look who is now editing the heck out of their story and now retracting many of their claims. Hey ESPN, don't you think maybe an apology to the Ravens would be in order?

[cobrajet]

To Bob Ley at ESPN, in my best Tom Criuse voice from the movie - A Few Good Men, after he claims Biscotti was conspiring with RG1 to go easy on Ray Rice.........."He did?! Why didn't you say so!? That's great! And of course you have proof of that? Ah, that's right, I keep forgetting: You were sick the day they taught journalism at journalism school."

[Moderator 2]

Never let the truth stand in the way if a good story. I mean come on, they watched the home opener with AQShipley and his wife.

AQ Shipley never cleared waivers??Colts took him before the season started- really pretty much easy enough to see if he took the field with the COLTS they are all nuts and I my humble opinion leaves the story ripe for holes.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Its just ridiculous. Tabloid reporters. Decide the outcome or direction of the piece you desire, throw anything in it people and their own opinions, and make it a story and call it truth. I call it spin and disgusting. I hope Gooddell told them no more MNF after their contract runs out.

[balfan23]

Well - ESPN is at it again. I think they made it one whole day without splashing their front page with this story.Well, now they've come out with their latest story that law enforcement sent the elevator video to the NFL. So, there back on the hunt with the league, but managed to throw in a few digs at the Ravens for having the nerve to dispute their previous slanderous article.

 

Don't bother turning on your radio or TV to listen to any ESPN broadcast. They're going to be carrying on about this crap again. 

[Hardbaugh]

I almost saw this coming from TM-Zspn.  Look back at the Hernandez murders when the Patriots released them zspn were stating something to the effect that the Patriots are one of the flagship franchises because of how they operate. 

 

When the Ravens released Rice they were stating to a man the Ravens only did it because they had to.

 

The kicker is Rice was a model citizen before the incident and as everyone knows Hernandez charged with double (or is it triple now?) homicide was a known thug with alleged gang ties coming out of college.  Despite his act Kraft gave him a second contract....  Zspn are hypocrites of the highest degree. I refuse to watch their garbage and encourage every Raven fan to not only do the same but email their offices and tell them why as I did.

[bMore Heathen]

I thought it was interesting that NFLN basically stayed out of it. All of the "reports" we're coming from ESPN. I stand by my sentiment that reports should have to reveal their sources. It's ridiculous that they can throw out a one sided story and claim it as fact. No apology, no retract, nothing. I be willing to bet KVV won't be getting any interviews from Ravens personnel in the future.

[The Mom Gene]

I'm starting to believe that they are going to come out with another fact every Friday, before a weekend of Football....  Well, I am going to put a block on that channel on my TV.....  Not watching their shenanigans...  Just really ticks me off.

[757RavensFan]

Everyone wanted to bash the Ravens after the ESPN report last Friday on their show "Outside the Lines." They ran with shoddy facts and called the Ravens less than two hours before the show aired for comment. Well Steve Biscotti disputed all those shoddy facts and look who is now editing the heck out of their story and now retracting many of their claims. Hey ESPN, don't you think maybe an apology to the Ravens would be in order?

Where can I find the retraction of their initial OTL story? I haven't seen them. Not saying they don't exist, simply stating I haven't seen them.

[The Mom Gene]

Where can I find the retraction of their initial OTL story? I haven't seen them. Not saying they don't exist, simply stating I haven't seen them.

I don't believe there is one.......  Just sayin' I don't believe it exists....  If you were like Deadspin...  They printed the original version, and have checked back over the past week, and it's been edited more than 17 times.  So, I'm thinking Deadspin realizes it's not really accurate too....  and that they are "adjusting as things come up".

[beasy2487]

The problem is people are mistaking copy editing and relatively minor fact edits as retracting the story.

I hate to pee on everyone's parade, but the fixes they made aren't really that drastic. Most of the edits are spelling/grammar related or minor things like the AQ Shipley part. The only "major" part they edited was the text message part, but I believe that they had originally reported that as Rice's reaction to the text.

They originally reported the texts as unprompted, verbatim quotes from Bisciotti. When they were, in fact, paraphrased text messages sent by Bisciotti after Rice sent a very contrite, appreciative message of his own volition. Given the public vitriol, the context of the story, and the general challenge to Bisciotti's integrity, that mistake is a massive misrepresentation of the facts purely for the purpose of driving interest in the piece. That is the definition of an error that should be apologized publicly for.

I agree that people are focusing on the wrong things, but that one point mentioned above dwarfs them all and to sweep it under the rug as innocuous is a perfect example of how ESPN has no interest in the truth, only ratings.

[berad]

The problem is people are mistaking copy editing and relatively minor fact edits as retracting the story.

I hate to pee on everyone's parade, but the fixes they made aren't really that drastic. Most of the edits are spelling/grammar related or minor things like the AQ Shipley part. The only "major" part they edited was the text message part, but I believe that they had originally reported that as Rice's reaction to the text.

They originally reported the texts as unprompted, verbatim quotes from Bisciotti. When they were, in fact, paraphrased text messages sent by Bisciotti after Rice sent a very contrite, appreciative message of his own volition. Given the public vitriol, the context of the story, and the general challenge to Bisciotti's integrity, that mistake is a massive misrepresentation of the facts purely for the purpose of driving interest in the piece. That is the definition of an error that should be apologized publicly for.

I agree that people are focusing on the wrong things, but that one point mentioned above dwarfs them all and to sweep it under the rug as innocuous is a perfect example of how ESPN has no interest in the truth, only ratings.

Also wouldn't characterize the AQ Shipley thing as 'minor'. Those ESPN journalists presumablely got that information from Kyle Jakobe, Rice and Shipleys trainer, who 'recreated the scene'.

Wouldn't Jakobe recognize if his own client was in Rice's living room with him instead of playing for the Colts? Additionally, the texts which were italisized (signifying verbatim) were proven to be false - even though, in the story, Jaokbe claims he told Rice to screenshot them twice. Plus the context ESPN presented them in and their editorializing afterwards... 'hush money'....

That portion of the story also names Courtney Greene - a former NFLer from New Rochelle, NY (Rice's hometown) and Rutgers (Rice's alma mater) - as having seen the texts. THe ESPN article says another "one of Rice's friends" provided the contents of the texts to ESPN and other people confirmed it was Bisciotti's number.

That's a huge blunder since they reported it as verbatim and it was "confirmed" by multiple of their sources.

http://deadspin.com/espn-made-a-very-weird-mistake-in-its-big-ray-rice-stor-1638541045

I questioned the context presented when those texts in the story came out. It was just weird. Kyle Jakobe doesn't have a photographic memory, after all.

[The Mom Gene]

The problem is people are mistaking copy editing and relatively minor fact edits as retracting the story.

I hate to pee on everyone's parade, but the fixes they made aren't really that drastic. Most of the edits are spelling/grammar related or minor things like the AQ Shipley part. The only "major" part they edited was the text message part, but I believe that they had originally reported that as Rice's reaction to the text.

I'm glad that you hate to pee on everyone's parade.... Because to state that AQ was invited over to watch the game??? That may seem as a "minor thing" to you, but when the guy is starting for another team on Sunday, it's my belief that adds much less credence to the remainder of the story.... as well, to "italicize" the text messages and lead EVERYONE to believe that the message was meant one way is just another example of such less credence as well... Not to mention the fact that there is NOT ONE named source.... not one.... And when you start adding it all up???? Are you really expecting people to be able to pick and choose what is true and what is not????? They will most likely choose the latter.

It is my opinion that there is no point in trying to defend an article like that... it was clearly done out of some sort of malice.

[The Mom Gene]

Also wouldn't characterize the AQ Shipley thing as 'minor'. Those ESPN journalists presumablely got that information from Kyle Jakobe, Rice and Shipleys trainer, who 'recreated the scene'.

 

Wouldn't Jakobe recognize if his own client was in Rice's living room with him instead of playing for the Colts? Additionally, the texts which were italisized (signifying verbatim) were proven to be false - even though, in the story, Jaokbe claims he told Rice to screenshot them twice. Plus the context ESPN presented them in and their editorializing afterwards... 'hush money'....

 

That portion of the story also names Courtney Greene - a former NFLer from New Rochelle, NY (Rice's hometown) and Rutgers (Rice's alma mater) - as having seen the texts. THe ESPN article says another "one of Rice's friends" provided the contents of the texts to ESPN and other people confirmed it was Bisciotti's number.

 

That's a huge blunder since they reported it as verbatim and it was "confirmed" by multiple of their sources.

 

http://deadspin.com/espn-made-a-very-weird-mistake-in-its-big-ray-rice-stor-1638541045

 

I questioned the context presented when those texts in the story came out. It was just weird. Kyle Jakobe doesn't have a photographic memory, after all.

Berad...  You and I are on the same page on this one.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Berad...  You and I are on the same page on this one.

For you both,  . I'm with you!!

[The Raven]

All I commented on was  that people were acting like every allegation was redacted when, in fact, it was only a few minor (in my opinion) details. The major stuff (the allegations against the organization) were mostly unedited and unchanged, other than the texting part, which is major and was changed. Sorry if nobody understood that.

[The Raven]

Didn't we, as a board, agree to bury this story and not talk about it? Also, why does this warrant its own thread?

 

Can we bury the topic, please?

[cobrajet]

Didn't we, as a board, agree to bury this story and not talk about it? Also, why does this warrant its own thread?

 

Can we bury the topic, please?

I think the moderators do a great job and are quite capable of making that decision. If you don't want to talk about it, why do you keep clicking and posting? BTW, if there was an agreement "to bury this story" you have to excuse me because I missed the memo on that.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Agreed. imo - Just because someone wants to bury it doesn't mean that it will go away anytime soon. This is a national story about our team. If Ravens fans can't share their thoughts and feelings on a crisis that affects the team they love here - then where? This is not our 'complete' focus. We support and follow every game and player, but this is important as well. We are just trying to get through this together.

 

When the story dies you won't need to end the thread - it'll end itself.