Official Vent Thread: Who needs to walk home and who doesn't !

[redrum52]

We won so I'll take that. New rb and dt. The backfield needs a lot of improvement. I don't get how guys are so damn wide open. Our guys are NEVER get this much room.

[Guest Omerta]

I have literally said that Dean Pees needs to go for a few years now. This whole bend dont break philosophy drives me about bat poopy. He is the most vanilla and unimaginative DC I have seen since Mattison. At least Mattison tried running real blitzes, he just had no idea how to execute them. Pees has been crap for a while now. 

[3-4ravdef509]

I tried going on the Browns forum and telling them how good of a job they did today...if it's possibly to get stoned via text that basically happened. They are P----d off

[GrimCoconut]

Our secondary really has been lack luster. They either kill us with the short pass or burn us deep. 

Well, those short passes are somewhat by design due to the zone coverage, but it's still an issue. The times they burn us deep, it's on our safeties. Stewart messed up on Green (Not sure why he was on Green anyway--Jimmy should have covered him at that point in the game) and Elam just had a meltdown today. 

[Militant X 1]

Jacoby "hands of stone" Jones should be catching a cab back to Baltimore.  Smh!

 

@Mili

[rmcjacket23]

This a man coverage team with man coverage personel i'm BEFUDDLED why we aren't playing man. 

Actually, I see the exact opposite. I mean realistically... name another Raven at this very moment that you trust in man to man coverage other than Jimmy Smith? After what you saw today, does anybody reasonably trust Webb/Jackson/Brown in man to man coverage with even #2 or #3 WRs? I sure don't.

 

Furthermore, which safety on this team do you trust in man to man coverage? Or better yet... which safety on this team do you trust to be reliable help coverage in man to man defense?

 

I think if you actually had a healthy Webb and maybe a better coverage safety (possibly Will Hill, not guaranteed though), then I'd agree that we are a solid man coverage team.

 

The reason, generally speaking, that I think we are better in more of a zone concept is because we typically are a pretty good tackling secondary unit (except for today) and because it typically allows our deficiencies at the safety position that we have currently to be masked by just assigning players to areas instead of making them choose which side of the field to offer help coverage on based on the play development. As we saw today, and it wasn't only today, our safeties look incredibly confused anytime an opponent runs simultaneous crossing or deep routes, particularly on the posts. The safeties don't know where they are supposed to go.

 

I think its a misconception that we are a man coverage team, based almost solely on the fact that Jimmy appears to be a pretty good man coverage corner. But from what I see, he's the only one right now.

[HoldingCall]

No they aren't. This isn't just this game or even just this season. Everyone keeps making excuses for him but his philosophy does not work here or fit our players. A good DC would have seen that by now and made changes. An arrogant one keeps to his system despite the fact it isn't working. I've said it a million times - he is our defensive version of Cam Cameron. Hopefully Harbaugh doesn't make the same mistake and keep him around too long.

If things fall apart in the future then maybe but as of now the defense are ranked tie for 8th in pts allowed while the offense is 14th in pts scored but no one is calling for Kubiacs job. For that reason I disagree with you.

[sflegend89]

I'm so ready for Will Hill to be the starting FS. As bad as Elam played today we can make it work with him as an in-the-box SS.

Darian Stewart is not good enough in coverage for a FS, reminds me of Elam/Ihedigbo combo from last year where neither guy had coverage skills. Time to turn to Brooks and see how he does with the starters until Hill is off suspension.

[ravensdfan]

If things fall apart in the future then maybe but as of now the defense are ranked tie for eight in pts allowed while the offense is 14th in pts scored but no one is calling for Kubiacs job. For that reason I disagree with you.

And we haven't invested like we have in the defense either. Those points allowed are deceiving. Steelers are barely passable this year, the Browns made their own mistakes and the Bengals marched down the field with ease. It is simpler to cover the smaller field in the red zone.

 

The offense is facing a new OC and a new system. The defense should have this down by now. If you watched that game today, that defense is not even passable. We were lucky the Browns are still the Browns when it comes to giving games away.

 

Let's not act like we've faced Peyton, Brees, Brady and Rodgers. It was Andy freaking Dalton, Hoyer and Big Ben on a very bad day.

[GrimCoconut]

Jacoby "hands of stone" Jones should be catching a cab back to Baltimore.  Smh!

 

@Mili

He wouldn't make it. 

 

I wouldn't mind cutting Jones if he doesn't do anything this year. He's been poor so far. Unless he steps it up, he needs to go. Give some of these young lions a chance! lol

[Ravenseconbeast]

Jacoby "hands of stone" Jones should be catching a cab back to Baltimore.  Smh!

 

@Mili

 

 

Yup..like i said every week since preseason.   Jacoby should be concentrating solely on KR/PR duties and as a #2 deep threat.  Anything else, is fooling the folks around him and wasting the teams time.   His 2012 season performance is the BEST you'll ever see from Jacoby.

[GrimCoconut]

I think people should be a little lenient on Torrey Smith. I've criticized him, and I like him a lot, but this is a new offense and he has a new WR coach. Now, that's not an excuse, but he did start slow his rookie year as well. He might just be a little slow getting things. I'd give him time. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

lmao at the blame being placed on Pees.  As a unit, our secondary sucks. They are all over the place and don't communicate well in coverage. I don't know how you fix the problems back there quickly, but getting Will Hill in ASAP could be the only hope for improvement. And I'm about ready to give up on Webb. He was terrible last year and has had 6 months to get this latest thing straight, just doesn't seem like it's going to happen. And I don't know what to think about Elam.  He looks flat out foolish out there at times which is discouraging.

 

I also think the coaching staff on secondary is also making a poor impact on the secondary players.   

Pagano -> Teryl -> Nobody.

 

We need to find a better personnel around the secondary.

[rmcjacket23]

I'm so ready for Will Hill to be the starting FS. As bad as Elam played today we can make it work with him as an in-the-box SS.

Darian Stewart is not good enough in coverage for a FS, reminds me of Elam/Ihedigbo combo from last year where neither guy had coverage skills. Time to turn to Brooks and see how he does with the starters until Hill is off suspension.

Its not that simple though. Its not like the coaching staff or even the FO has a vested interested in making sure Stewart starts over Brooks... in fact I'd almost guarantee that they'd rather have Brooks out there.

 

But the bottom line is... there is no indication that Brooks would be better right now. This is the regular season, not the preseason. If you're going to make a change like that... you better damn sure be right, because you can't afford to be wrong. If Brooks comes in, and he's worse, A LOT of bad things can come from that.

 

You probably turn to Brooks under 3 conditions...

 

1. Injury

2. The team has a bad record and their season is over

3. He has clearly established himself in practice that he is the superior player.

 

Given that the first two haven't happened and probably aren't likely to happen, the only way Brooks should be starting is if he proves to the coaching staff that he is the better player. So far, clearly, he hasn't done that. This is certainly not the time to overreact and start benching people.

[Militant X 1]

He wouldn't make it. 

 

I wouldn't mind cutting Jones if he doesn't do anything this year. He's been poor so far. Unless he steps it up, he needs to go. Give some of these young lions a chance! lol

 

Yes!

 

Yup..like i said every week since preseason.   Jacoby should be concentrating solely on KR/PR duties and as a #2 deep threat.  Anything else, is fooling the folks around him and wasting the teams time.   His 2012 season performance is the BEST you'll ever see from Jacoby.

 

I agree!

 

@Mili

[GrimCoconut]

Its not that simple though. Its not like the coaching staff or even the FO has a vested interested in making sure Stewart starts over Brooks... in fact I'd almost guarantee that they'd rather have Brooks out there.

 

But the bottom line is... there is no indication that Brooks would be better right now. This is the regular season, not the preseason. If you're going to make a change like that... you better damn sure be right, because you can't afford to be wrong. If Brooks comes in, and he's worse, A LOT of bad things can come from that.

 

You probably turn to Brooks under 3 conditions...

 

1. Injury

2. The team has a bad record and their season is over

3. He has clearly established himself in practice that he is the superior player.

 

Given that the first two haven't happened and probably aren't likely to happen, the only way Brooks should be starting is if he proves to the coaching staff that he is the better player. So far, clearly, he hasn't done that. This is certainly not the time to overreact and start benching people.

I'd add a fourth caveat, which is that Stewart could play so bad that they decide to thrust Brooks out there to just give it a try if they think both guys are even. I honestly don't see that happening, though. You're more likely to see Elam go before Stewart, but I doubt that happens, too, since Elam communicates to the secondary. 

[HoldingCall]

I have literally said that Dean Pees needs to go for a few years now. This whole bend dont break philosophy drives me about bat poopy. He is the most vanilla and unimaginative DC I have seen since Mattison. At least Mattison tried running real blitzes, he just had no idea how to execute them. Pees has been crap for a while now. 

He's may be far from perfect but who will they replace him with. Looking at stats the Ravens has given up less points than 24 other team so far this season. For that reason the team could be doing much worst. Besides, we should recognize the number of new faces on the coaching staff. I am not ready to throw in the towel.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Somebody needs to do a poll:

Do you think the Zone Defense is working, and you like it

OR

Do you think with our current personnel that we should be playing a man to man Defense

 

Man to man would have been an absolute disaster.   The players arent doing their job they are suppose to be doing.  Half the time they need to reiterate their play and communication slip out of their control.   

 

They don't understand what the hell is going on infield.  Maybe it is lack of experience.   But they really need to ramp up a notch on understanding how to work together and be on point on creating a difficult scheme to opposing QBs.   

   

[rmcjacket23]

I also think the coaching staff on secondary is also making a poor impact on the secondary players.

Pagano -> Teryl -> Nobody.

We need to find a better personnel around the secondary.

Fans love blaming coaches. I call it the Cam Cameron effect. Since fans for some reason refuse to blame players for failing to execute, they must find another scapegoat. Since the firing of Cam Cameron, it has 100% always been a coaches fault.

From what I recall, Juan Castillo was the most hated man in Baltimore last season, and was on a daily basis buried by dozens of fans on these boards and they all demanded that he be fired.

Yet, not surprisingly, I haven't heard his name mentioned (and certainly not praised) for making the offensive line exponentially better than last season. Most importantly, that retched "zone blocking scheme" that fans destroyed last season as "un-Raven like" seems to be doing just fine this season, given that we are now running for about 135 yards/game.

Funny how that works...

He's may be far from perfect but who will they replace him with. Looking at stats the Ravens has given up less points than 24 other team so far this season. For that reason the team could be doing much worst. Besides, we should recognize the number of new faces on the coaching staff. I am not ready to throw in the towel.

Ironically, from what I remember reading from multiple fans on these boards in the offseason, the prevailing top choice to run this defense should Pees get fired was Spagnuolo.

Yup, the very same Spagnuolo that fans are now burying on these boards and the guy who is coaching clearly our worst unit of the defensive at the moment.

He was undoubtedly the most popular choice from the "fan boys" to take over for the fired Pees (which isn't going to happen).

[HoldingCall]

Ironically, from what I remember reading from multiple fans on these boards in the offseason, the prevailing top choice to run this defense should Pees get fired was Spagnuolo.

 

Yup, the very same Spagnuolo that fans are now burying on these boards and the guy who is coaching clearly our worst unit of the defensive at the moment.

 

He was undoubtedly the most popular choice from the "fan boys" to take over for the fired Pees (which isn't going to happen).

Agreed! I can understand the emotion but at some point lets stop and think through this. Yes, they can be better and hopefully they will get there.

[HoldingCall]

And we haven't invested like we have in the defense either. Those points allowed are deceiving. Steelers are barely passable this year, the Browns made their own mistakes and the Bengals marched down the field with ease. It is simpler to cover the smaller field in the red zone.

 

The offense is facing a new OC and a new system. The defense should have this down by now. If you watched that game today, that defense is not even passable. We were lucky the Browns are still the Browns when it comes to giving games away.

 

Let's not act like we've faced Peyton, Brees, Brady and Rodgers. It was Andy freaking Dalton, Hoyer and Big Ben on a very bad day.

They've invested more on defense because the defense lost so many more starters. The defense also have new coaches to go along with the increased number of new players. I hear you, I just think they need more time especially considering Asa and Webb just returned. Also give credit for the good defensive game against the Steelers

[HoldingCall]

Man to man would have been an absolute disaster.   The players arent doing their job they are suppose to be doing.  Half the time they need to reiterate their play and communication slip out of their control.   

 

They don't understand what the hell is going on infield.  Maybe it is lack of experience.   But they really need to ramp up a notch on understanding how to work together and be on point on creating a difficult scheme to opposing QBs.   

   

 

Man to man would have been an absolute disaster.   The players arent doing their job they are suppose to be doing.  Half the time they need to reiterate their play and communication slip out of their control.   

 

They don't understand what the hell is going on infield.  Maybe it is lack of experience.   But they really need to ramp up a notch on understanding how to work together and be on point on creating a difficult scheme to opposing QBs.   

   

Also, the lack of pressure on the opposing QB is having a negative affect on the seconday

[GrimCoconut]

Also, the lack of pressure on the opposing QB is having a negative affect on the seconday

We brought pressure on the Steelers but had a hard time against the Bengals and Browns. I mean, what the heck?! You're talking about two OL that could easily be top-5 in the NFL by the end of the season! lol Give them some respect man. I think we are fortunate to have gone 2-1 in the division already. That's a huge win. 

[HoldingCall]

We brought pressure on the Steelers but had a hard time against the Bengals and Browns. I mean, what the heck?! You're talking about two OL that could easily be top-5 in the NFL by the end of the season! lol Give them some respect man. I think we are fortunate to have gone 2-1 in the division already. That's a huge win. 

I recognize the talent of the Bengals and Browns which is why I disagree with those calling for Pees' job. 

[SecretAgentMan]

Elam was god awful but why the hell was he deep? Oh well. I think Brooks and Hill are the future for the squad at saftey

And for those calling for Elam's head. Elam's had his moments too. He was freaking horrible today but he's had his flashes. Give him another year at his natural position.

Now. I want Torrey Smith's head. How is it that a 35 year old steve smith is playing better than a young gun who's easily one of the fastest dudes in the NFL? Go get me a real #1 ozzie. Steve has maybe 2 years left if we are lucky.

At TE. Sucks for dennis but I'm not too worried. Daniels is a good TE. I like Juice, and I somewhat like Crockett.

Eugene is a horrible run blocker, but he's pretty decent in pass pro and is still worth every penny as a franchise LT. That said, the line has played well vs 3 good front 7s so no need to complain

[AsianRice]

We were used to live and die with defense; now, we live and die with offense although defense had made a crucial stop in last 3min.  How can Hoyer make our defense look like a college defense?  I like Pees but he doesn't fit to our system like going after the QB....

 

PS: prayer for Pitta's recovery....

[Dewy101]

Defense is awful. Elam can't cover, tackle, has poor instincts, overpursues, limited football IQ, etc. Really bad and is not performing up to his draft status and he's from a high-profile school in the SEC where he was a full-time safety for a few years and should be much further along than he is. We need a better secondary coach or we need to do something about Elam because he has not improved at all.

I love Flacco and crew. Nothing bad to say about the offense. WRs still not catching balls consistently. Jones still can't catch. Torrey isn't as bad as people say but he's not a tough player. Smith Sr is great. Sucks to lose Pitta. Juszczyk looks very promising. Can't wait to see more from LT.

Flacco left a lot of open players on the field today.

And for those calling for Elam's head. Elam's had his moments too. He was freaking horrible today but he's had his flashes. Give him another year at his natural position.

Now. I want Torrey Smith's head. How is it that a 35 year old steve smith is playing better than a young gun who's easily one of the fastest dudes in the NFL? Go get me a real #1 ozzie. Steve has maybe 2 years left if we are lucky.

At TE. Sucks for dennis but I'm not too worried. Daniels is a good TE. I like Juice, and I somewhat like Crockett.

Eugene is a horrible run blocker, but he's pretty decent in pass pro and is still worth every penny as a franchise LT. That said, the line has played well vs 3 good front 7s so no need to complain

Torrey is a horrible fit for this offense. Poor route running skills and average hands at best. Not a fit for this scheme

[Alaska Alaska!]

well hopefully when Will HIll can play elam wont be as exposed.

 

he still was a wasted pick tho

People said the same about Jimmy Smith a couple of years ago

[Sami84]

People said the same about Jimmy Smith a couple of years ago

 

jimmy smith at least always had the physical attributes.

 

i didnt think he would be as good as he is now but elam is a midget with low football IQ..thats hope-less

[Alaska Alaska!]

Asa Jackson and matt elam played horribly...

Asa may not of have the best game...but damn did he sure save the day with his fg block!