Official Vent Thread: Who needs to walk home and who doesn't !

[codizzle]

Elam had a bad game..

need to let him play to his strengths and not ask him to play almost every position in the secondary..

Not fair for a 2nd year player with no strong veteran in the secondary

[Static]

Will Hill needs to start at FS..... Stewart at SS....Elam needs to be benched so he can regain focus.

 

Elam over Stewart all day no matter how bad he played today.

[Inqui]

Elam had a bad game..

need to let him play to his strengths and not ask him to play almost every position in the secondary..

Not fair for a 2nd year player with no strong veteran in the secondary

+35

[jazz1988]

Secondary was bad and it only makes our pass rush look  bad.

[jimmypowder]

Ha

ha Suggs was overall MIA . he made one good play on a reverse fir a 10 yard loss . At the time , 4th quarter , i said to everyone around me , ah theres Suggs .

noone disagreed .

[jazz1988]

Part of the problem is Spags is the secondary coach.  He's not a secondary coach.  With Austin you could see the guys in the secondary progressing throughout their career. Austin was a secondary coach for decades and well accomplished.  Spags has never been strictly a secondary coach, splitting time as the LB coach in Philly.

 

Hmmm well at The NFl level he coached defensive backs for two years but at the college level he's been coaching defensive backs for quite a long time . When he was the defensive back coach for The Eagles in 2001 their secondary wasn't bad at all and i think they were ranked in the top 10(could be wrong). I'm not sure if Spags is the problem  and I think it's our players right now but of course Austin is probably a better secondary coach.

[Bltravens]

Hmmm well at The NFl level he coached defensive backs for two years but at the college level he's been coaching defensive backs for quite a long time . When he was the defensive back coach for The Eagles in 2001 their secondary wasn't bad at all and i think they were ranked in the top 10(could be wrong). I'm not sure if Spags is the problem  and I think it's our players right now but of course Austin is probably a better secondary coach.

Wasn't he both DB and LB coach?  From his bio I gathered he'd coached DBs for 5 years at like 4 different schools in college.  I could be wrong.  I thought I saw a while back that he was more a Dline/LB coach than a secondary coach.

[BenMir]

Brandon Williams had once again a great game. I honestly think he's the best player on our defense.

[balfan23]

I'm starting to worry a bit about Torrey. I realize he's still had a couple big plays this season with no stats to show for it (2 big PI calls ... one last week and one this week). But he just doesn't seem to be running crisp routes and working well in this offense. I know were only 3 weeks in, but I still think this is going beyond us just taking what the defense gives us. We need him to show up bigger in the games to come, especially since we're going to be without Pitta for the foreseeable future. 

[BKeyser]

Game planning and questionable play calling continually make Ravens opponents look like Super Bowl contenders. I can't say with enough emphasis how much I dislike Dean Pees' style. We play aggressive on D and we get 47 second and a 16 second three-and-outs with the game on the line. We play cover 2 or some sort of zone and we give up 80-yard scoring drives.

 

I just don't get it.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Bend but don't break nearly broke our hearts. How many times did they convert 1st and 30, 2nd and 25, 3rd and 17...? Inexcusable.

 

However, there's also, this:

 

The Fact of the matter is that THE BROWNS gave the STEELERS and SAINTS ALOT of trouble on the ROAD.

 

 

We just beat THE BROWNS in their house.

 

 

No shame today we beat a good team.

[jazz1988]

Wasn't he both DB and LB coach?  From his bio I gathered he'd coached DBs for 5 years at like 4 different schools in college.  I could be wrong.  I thought I saw a while back that he was more a Dline/LB coach than a secondary coach.

 

If you mean for The Eagles then yes he was their defensive back coach and linebacker  but not at the same time. After 2003 he was eventually promoted to linebacker coach by Andy Reid. I read some where the reason for that was to help Spag get a better chance at getting a shot as a defensive coordinator position The Eagles recognize how smart he was and wanted to give him a fair chance at the position.Does hurt either that him and Reid were friends lol.

[Cisco-Kid]

Defense is awful. Elam can't cover, tackle, has poor instincts, overpursues, limited football IQ, etc. Really bad and is not performing up to his draft status and he's from a high-profile school in the SEC where he was a full-time safety for a few years and should be much further along than he is. We need a better secondary coach or we need to do something about Elam because he has not improved at all. 

 

I love Flacco and crew. Nothing bad to say about the offense. WRs still not catching balls consistently. Jones still can't catch. Torrey isn't as bad as people say but he's not a tough player. Smith Sr is great. Sucks to lose Pitta. Juszczyk looks very promising. Can't wait to see more from LT. 

Our secondary really has been lack luster. They either kill us with the short pass or burn us deep. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Bend but don't break nearly broke our hearts. How many times did they convert 1st and 30, 2nd and 25, 3rd and 17...? Inexcusable.

 

However, there's also, this:

Problem is the Zone D. Or "Prevent". I simply doesnt work. Any half decent receiver finds a hole and sits there open. Unless we get a pass rish to force a mistake, it is very problematic.

[Static]

Problem is the Zone D. Or "Prevent". I simply doesnt work. Any half decent receiver finds a hole and sits there open. Unless we get a pass rish to force a mistake, it is very problematic.

 

This a man coverage team with man coverage personel i'm BEFUDDLED why we aren't playing man. 

[baltimorefan328]

I do think Pees' heavily passive playcalling has something to do with it, but I mean in terms of the secondary only im not sure what more he can be doing. Teams simply aren't throwing at Jimmy too much and on the other side you have either chykie brown or a guy in Asa who is just starting to play on defense in his 3rd year. Webb is injured and not close to 100%. And Harbs can talk about versatility all he wants but guys are safeties for a reason, and a lot of the times its because theyre not quick in the hips enough to play corner. I'm not sticking up for Pees' playcalling, but when you look at some of the players in the secondary right now I'm not sure what else he can be doing. The Ravens Must go cornerback in this years draft, and I don't mean 3 rookie free agents and a fifth round pick. They need an impact top 3 round talent at the position as well as locking up Jimmy for the long term. Im also very interested to see what happens when Will Hill comes back and if this improves Elam as he can play down inside the box

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

This a man coverage team with man coverage personel i'm BEFUDDLED why we aren't playing man.

I have to agree. It obviously couldnt hurt to switch up, at least the safety position would actually be able to play their position in a man deFensive scheme, and give actual safety help.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Somebody needs to do a poll:

Do you think the Zone Defense is working, and you like it

OR

Do you think with our current personnel that we should be playing a man to man Defense

[Bltravens]

If you mean for The Eagles then yes he was their defensive back coach and linebacker  but not at the same time. After 2003 he was eventually promoted to linebacker coach by Andy Reid. I read some where the reason for that was to help Spag get a better chance at getting a shot as a defensive coordinator position The Eagles recognize how smart he was and wanted to give him a fair chance at the position.Does hurt either that him and Reid were friends lol.

Ahhh ok.  My mistake then.  

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Somebody needs to do a poll:

Do you think the Zone Defense is working, and you like it

OR

Do you think with our current personnel that we should be playing a man to man Defense

 

Depends on which one's working the best against that particular opponent. I suspect though that our lack of a true FS has Pees gunshy about going man to man more often.

[ravensdan]

Half agree, half disagree.

Didn't think the defensive gameplan was all that great obviously, but Elam's coverage skills were horrendous in this game. He got caught looking in the backfield numerous times, and he was incredibly late on his helpside coverage, particularly when we were in zone.

Frankly, half the time when we were playing zone, it looked or felt like Elam was in man to man and wasn't expecting anybody to ever throw to his side. You could argue its Pees fault that Elam was playing in coverage so much, but that's kind of the new role for both safeties in the NFL these days. Long gone are the times of Ed Reed standing 20 yards off the ball and just covering the deep routes all game long, because thats essentially a disadvantage for the defense these days.

Remember when a ball was popped up in the first quarter and no safety got to it. While it was in the air I couldn't help but expect Reed to come into the picture and take it to the house. They just don't make them like they used to....

[ravensdan]

I think Harbaugh got handcuffed on the Flacco QB sneak challenge when it looked like (and Mike Carey agreed) that he broke the plane. I personally wouldn't have challenged that play, but the fact that it didn't go in our favor means we couldn't have challenged the incompletion/fumble on Cameron down in our red zone.

I think John would have challenged the second one if he had won the first. But he couldn't afford to lose two TOs there, and he ended up being right, because those TOs were crucial for us.

Flacco did score on the first one.

Cameron never had that ball.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Depends on which one's working the best against that particular opponent. I suspect though that our lack of a true FS has Pees gunshy about going man to man more often.

Just watched Seattle play zone D against Manning on that final drive, that went well....not....certainly didnt "Prevent" a Td

[ravensdan]

Also, Suggs didn't have a bad game. Suggs is statistically quiet but I promise you the players that went against him know how well he played.

Yeah I thought this was kind of a no brainer. Suggs was the most sound defender on the field today. By far. He will post a positive grade by anyone watching the tape.

[Tank 92]

lmao at the blame being placed on Pees.  As a unit, our secondary sucks. They are all over the place and don't communicate well in coverage. I don't know how you fix the problems back there quickly, but getting Will Hill in ASAP could be the only hope for improvement. And I'm about ready to give up on Webb. He was terrible last year and has had 6 months to get this latest thing straight, just doesn't seem like it's going to happen. And I don't know what to think about Elam.  He looks flat out foolish out there at times which is discouraging.

[wademan2636]

Zero sacks Nuff said

Suggs had the equivalent of a sack when he tackled the WR for a 10 yard loss.  Out of all the plays in the entire game (on both sides), no play (for either team) went for fewer yards than that play right there.  That play stopped the Browns in their tracks.  While that may not show up as a sack on the stat sheet, that was a more important play than most sacks you'll ever see.  He is still a useful player and he had a strong game today.  I can't say the same about most of our defenders.

[izvoodoo]

you're not going to get a lot of sacks when players have no fear of your secondary.  Guys are just getting the ball out really quickly against up, sacks would basically have to come free to get there.

[757RavensFan]

I still don't understand why we didn't defer when we won the coin toss.  We always defer.  

[ravensdfan]

The bigger problem is the D-Line. Three high quality players are injured and sidelined (Jernigan, Lewis, Urban) and as a result the secondary has to work harder, not to mention the pressure on the DL starters to remain in the game. Calls for Pees to be replaced at this point is just wrong. 

 

No they aren't. This isn't just this game or even just this season. Everyone keeps making excuses for him but his philosophy does not work here or fit our players. A good DC would have seen that by now and made changes. An arrogant one keeps to his system despite the fact it isn't working. I've said it a million times - he is our defensive version of Cam Cameron. Hopefully Harbaugh doesn't make the same mistake and keep him around too long.

[1/28/01]

I still don't understand why we didn't defer when we won the coin toss. We always defer.

We're 45-10 when scoring first under Harbs. I guess we wanted to give that a try again.