Official Vent Thread: Who needs to walk home and who doesn't !

[rmcjacket23]

Matt Elam and John Harbaugh should take a cab back together... can't think of a worse game for either guy. Awful display out there coaching and playing.

 

Granted, I'm a big Harbaugh guy, but his coaching decisions today were inexplicably terrible.

I think Harbaugh got handcuffed on the Flacco QB sneak challenge when it looked like (and Mike Carey agreed) that he broke the plane. I personally wouldn't have challenged that play, but the fact that it didn't go in our favor means we couldn't have challenged the incompletion/fumble on Cameron down in our red zone.

 

I think John would have challenged the second one if he had won the first. But he couldn't afford to lose two TOs there, and he ended up being right, because those TOs were crucial for us.

[kassaiscool]

Elam's performance was the worst safety performance in Ravens history . Not kidding .

Pitta's career , im afraid , is over .

 

Thanks for bringing my spirits up.

[jimmypowder]

And Suggs would say no, and there's nothing the Ravens would do about it.

Is looks very slow off the snap . it wont take a Joe Thomas to prevent him from getting to the QB

[rmcjacket23]

Is looks very slow off the snap . it wont take a Joe Thomas to prevent him from getting to the QB

Thats fine. He can just do what he did today... set the edge (was pretty much the only one who did that well today), and maintain discipline enough to not fall for all the reverses and screens that teams run at us.

[Gordo52]

Maybe it's just me, but I didn't think Harbs did that bad of a job today. I was okay with the challenge. Didn't like going for it on 4th & 1. Could've maybe challenged that other play but like someone said above, he couldn't risk losing anther timeout.

Other than that, I think he did alright.

I wasn't impressed with Kubiak's Playcalling in the redzone.

[shawn ny]

Asa Jackson and matt elam played horribly...

[jimmypowder]

Thats fine. He can just do what he did today... set the edge (was pretty much the only one who did that well today), and maintain discipline enough to not fall for all the reverses and screens that teams run at us.

set the edge? almost all the runs were ofv tackle or further out ! setting the edge my butt

[RavensFan34950]

Half agree, half disagree.

 

Didn't think the defensive gameplan was all that great obviously, but Elam's coverage skills were horrendous in this game. He got caught looking in the backfield numerous times, and he was incredibly late on his helpside coverage, particularly when we were in zone.

 

Frankly, half the time when we were playing zone, it looked or felt like Elam was in man to man and wasn't expecting anybody to ever throw to his side. You could argue its Pees fault that Elam was playing in coverage so much, but that's kind of the new role for both safeties in the NFL these days. Long gone are the times of Ed Reed standing 20 yards off the ball and just covering the deep routes all game long, because thats essentially a disadvantage for the defense these days.

But Elam is the guy making the calls in the secondary and Pees gave him that authority. Pees has to see that he is making the wrong calls and take over.

[beasy2487]

I'm not a Pees-basher but he deserves some blame for this one. I think he is experimenting in the secondary since we have no true FS but I'm more concerned about the front-7. We do not have elite talent top to bottom in the secondary and we have much more talent on the line, so for us to get beat on a drive where the opponent does HB sweeps all the way down the field is disgraceful. The edge disappeared in the 4th quarter. To me, that's a scheme issue. That's a young OC dominating an old dog. Thank god our overall coaching is better, that's what won us this game.

 

Although I will admit that the Browns have an insane O-line. Alex Mack was handling Williams one-on-one...we won't see many O-lines like that. Thank the Lord.

[Sami84]

elam making the calls

 

 

 

lawd have mercy (Stephen a smith voice)

[Gtown Purple]

What  liked-

 

steve smith

the running game

defense tightened up when we needed it

special teams coming up big

billy cundiff failing

juice getting a td

suggs staying home and blowing up multiple misdirection plays

taliaferro being a beast

 

What sucked-

 

our defense for the majority of the game

our secondary in particular matt elam

our pass protection at times

we got bailed out by browns penalties multiple times

0 turnovers on defense

[balfan23]

The entire secondary looked out of sorts today. I really can't tell what's happening from a safety standpoint. There are times when it looks like Elam still ends up as the FS and he just can't do the job. Brooks must simply not be ready for prime time, because Stewart looks lost out there. He's easily as out of it as Huff was last year and we benched Huff after game 1. 

 

I hate to join the "when is Will Hill getting off his suspension" bandwagon, but that group needs help. I'm not one to think that Hill will necessarily be our savior, but man he's got to be a better option than what were seeing at FS so far.

[balfan23]

What  liked-

 

steve smith

the running game

defense tightened up when we needed it

special teams coming up big

billy cundiff failing

juice getting a td

suggs staying home and blowing up multiple misdirection plays

taliaferro being a beast

 

What sucked-

 

our defense for the majority of the game

our secondary in particular matt elam

our pass protection at times

we got bailed out by browns penalties multiple times

0 turnovers on defense

Let's not forget how bad losing Pitta sucks. I thought it was a knee, but now that we know it is his hip, there is real long term concerns. That item would be on the top of the "what sucked" list. 

[Gtown Purple]

Let's not forget how bad losing Pitta sucks. I thought it was a knee, but now that we know it is his hip, there is real long term concerns. That item would be on the top of the "what sucked" list. 

True, just didn't want to flog a dead horse, hurts enough as it is.

[GrimCoconut]

Well, everyone looked bad week one. Also its only his 2nd year and his 1st year he was out of position. Lets not label him a bust and bench him for someone with 1/3rd of his talent just yet.

Not calling him a bust. Don't think I ever did. Did I? Not a rhetorical question.

I think Elam is more of a developing player making mistakes but he's been playing very inconsistent for a guy coming out of the SEC. That's all. I think he should've been benched at least after he just LOOKED at a guy laying on the ground instead of making a tackle. That's day one stuff.

[Sami84]

The entire secondary looked out of sorts today. I really can't tell what's happening from a safety standpoint. There are times when it looks like Elam still ends up as the FS and he just can't do the job. Brooks must simply not be ready for prime time, because Stewart looks lost out there. He's easily as out of it as Huff was last year and we benched Huff after game 1. 

 

I hate to join the "when is Will Hill getting off his suspension" bandwagon, but that group needs help. I'm not one to think that Hill will necessarily be our savior, but man he's got to be a better option than what were seeing at FS so far.

 

 

Will Hill is lightyears ahead of what we have. Hes a very good FS. Great Athelte..great tackler and v.good instincts with good height

 

 

We need him ASAP

[Sami84]

Not calling him a bust. Don't think I ever did. Did I? Not a rhetorical question.

I think Elam is more of a developing player making mistakes but he's been playing very inconsistent for a guy coming out of the SEC. That's all. I think he should've been benched at least after he just LOOKED at a guy laying on the ground instead of making a tackle. That's day one stuff.

no hes a bust

 

he hasnt got the speed or the physical attributes and never had a high football IQ. He was designed to be flashy in college

 

he is a mini bernanrd pollard ( without the big hits and just being smaller)

[Bltravens]

Defense is awful. Elam can't cover, tackle, has poor instincts, overpursues, limited football IQ, etc. Really bad and is not performing up to his draft status and he's from a high-profile school in the SEC where he was a full-time safety for a few years and should be much further along than he is. We need a better secondary coach or we need to do something about Elam because he has not improved at all. 

 

I love Flacco and crew. Nothing bad to say about the offense. WRs still not catching balls consistently. Jones still can't catch. Torrey isn't as bad as people say but he's not a tough player. Smith Sr is great. Sucks to lose Pitta. Juszczyk looks very promising. Can't wait to see more from LT. 

Part of the problem is Spags is the secondary coach.  He's not a secondary coach.  With Austin you could see the guys in the secondary progressing throughout their career. Austin was a secondary coach for decades and well accomplished.  Spags has never been strictly a secondary coach, splitting time as the LB coach in Philly.

[GrimCoconut]

no hes a bust

he hasnt got the speed or the physical attributes and never had a high football IQ. He was designed to be flashy in college

he is a mini bernanrd pollard ( without the big hits and just being smaller)

I think it's still too early to say that. I'm waiting until next year. Even if he is awful this year I won't call him a bust until the third year. I do think we need to trade a safety early in the draft though. But then again, I've been preaching this all off-season and season. I think if we drafted a guy like Drummond, he could make the calls for the secondary and it would improve Elam as a result. If not, move on from Elam.

[GrimCoconut]

Part of the problem is Spags is the secondary coach. He's not a secondary coach. With Austin you could see the guys in the secondary progressing throughout their career. Austin was a secondary coach for decades and well accomplished. Spags has never been strictly a secondary coach, splitting time as the LB coach in Philly.

Yeah that's my point. I'd rather upgrade the secondary coach before giving up on a first round pick. If that guy still didn't improve, move on.

[Sami84]

elam is just an idiot..having an idiot play free saftey doesnt work.

 

Rod Woodson at his age now would be more effective

[GrimCoconut]

Also, Suggs didn't have a bad game. Suggs is statistically quiet but I promise you the players that went against him know how well he played.

[ravensdfan]

Cool, but obviously I was talking about Webb. Do you know what NOT rhetorical means?

 

lmbo 

 

+70

[allblackraven]

I cannot believe some of you are not happy with Suggs. Sacks are not the only thing LB is supposed to do. You should be asking why Dumervil disappears and shows up every 4 games.

 

I think our players in secondary are much better than they can show in this terrible zone D. That stuff needs to change, like yesterday.

 

Not sure what the cap implications are but Jacoby needs to go. Or be dropped to #6 WR. There isn't much value left with returns either - every single kick is touch back and you have to pray for a botched up punt to have any chance of taking it back without risking much.

 

Best wishes to Dennis.

 

Thank you L-Tal, Steve Smith, Joe, Upshaw and Billy Cundiff!

[HoldingCall]

The bigger problem is the D-Line. Three high quality players are injured and sidelined (Jernigan, Lewis, Urban) and as a result the secondary has to work harder, not to mention the pressure on the DL starters to remain in the game. Calls for Pees to be replaced at this point is just wrong. 

[Bltravens]

elam is just an idiot..having an idiot play free saftey doesnt work.

 

Rod Woodson at his age now would be more effective

He's not a FS is the problem.  We don't have a true one on the roster capable of playing yet until Brooks is good to go.  Its like asking Troy or Pollard to cover the deep third.  Just doesn't work.  They're downhill guys, like Elam.

 

Yeah that's my point. I'd rather upgrade the secondary coach before giving up on a first round pick. If that guy still didn't improve, move on.

Absolutely.  Its like anything, why Spags is the secondary coach I have no idea, he never played the position nor coached the position on a full time basis.  He's a Dline/LB guy.  Its like having a WR coach who has never played the position nor coached it.  How much do you think the WRs will progress when the guy coaching them doesn't have a feel for the position. All it does is hurt the DBs.  Considering how young we are in the secondary, they need a guy who can actually coach them up.

[BSHU_Miami]

Will Hill needs to start at FS..... Stewart at SS....Elam needs to be benched so he can regain focus.

[HarleypsychRN]

If they don't get this secondary fixed, it's going to be a long season. Disgraceful, horrible, they looked lost at times. Note to Chykie...they know you can't cover the spin moves (YAC) how many times do you have to get beat?

[Inqui]

elam is just an idiot..having an idiot play free saftey doesnt work.

 

Rod Woodson at his age now would be more effective

 

Come on, tell us what you really think.

[jimmypowder]

I cannot believe some of you are not happy with Suggs. Sacks are not the only thing LB is supposed to do. You should be asking why Dumervil disappears and shows up every 4 games.

I think our players in secondary are much better than they can show in this terrible zone D. That stuff needs to change, like yesterday.

Not sure what the cap implications are but Jacoby needs to go. Or be dropped to #6 WR. There isn't much value left with returns either - every single kick is touch back and you have to pray for a botched up punt to have any chance of taking it back without risking much.

Best wishes to Dennis.

Thank you L-Tal, Steve Smith, Joe, Upshaw and Billy Cundiff!

Suggs for the money he is getting paid is not worth it .

Our secondary is worse than you think .

Wait till the weather gets cold and Jacoby can return until you decide hes not worth it.