Official Vent Thread: Who needs to walk home and who doesn't !

[Ravenseconbeast]

Fans love blaming coaches. I call it the Cam Cameron effect. Since fans for some reason refuse to blame players for failing to execute, they must find another scapegoat. Since the firing of Cam Cameron, it has 100% always been a coaches fault.

From what I recall, Juan Castillo was the most hated man in Baltimore last season, and was on a daily basis buried by dozens of fans on these boards and they all demanded that he be fired.

Yet, not surprisingly, I haven't heard his name mentioned (and certainly not praised) for making the offensive line exponentially better than last season. Most importantly, that retched "zone blocking scheme" that fans destroyed last season as "un-Raven like" seems to be doing just fine this season, given that we are now running for about 135 yards/game.

Funny how that works...

Ironically, from what I remember reading from multiple fans on these boards in the offseason, the prevailing top choice to run this defense should Pees get fired was Spagnuolo.

Yup, the very same Spagnuolo that fans are now burying on these boards and the guy who is coaching clearly our worst unit of the defensive at the moment.

He was undoubtedly the most popular choice from the "fan boys" to take over for the fired Pees (which isn't going to happen).

Men..I very rarely ever blame the coaches. You can check my posts from the past. I always believe its up to the players to determine how he gets better in the nfl. But in this case, I think it is the coaches.

The players looks like they are trying hard to communicate and work together. But the look frantic, out of place and just disorganized. So not all the blame goes to the coaches, but they are the large part of the problem.

[ravensdfan]

Men..I very rarely ever blame the coaches. You can check my posts from the past. I always believe its up to the players to determine how he gets better in the nfl. But in this case, I think it is the coaches.

 

I can vouch that is truth!

 

I'm sure it isn't all Pees. The position coaches are to blame as well but when you're the top gun you should make sure those under you are doing their job well.

[Mick0311]

 

That is awesome.

[Static]

Also currently top 10 in rushing and total offense. 

 

#6  in ppg given up at 16.7

[Lockdown#22]

Where are the big boys Suggs and Doom ?

They aint making big plays agsinst good defenses,

particularly Suggs .

Time to let Suggs walk

Did you see Suggs blow that "end around" play up against the Browns yesterday? Suggs is no longer an elite pass rusher, but he's still an elite player. We could use another elite pass rusher on this team though. No doubt. But getting rid of Suggs would be horrific for B-More.

[Lockdown#22]

I just can't blame Joe for not having chemistry with Torrey when Joe ALREADY has more chemistry with Steve Smith and Owen Daniels, who have both only been here a few months. Yeah, it's on Torrey.

It's kind of unfair to say Joe has more chemistry with Daniels and Smith Sr. than he does with Torrey. We've seen some great stuff over the years between Flacco and Torrey. Lets not be so "in the moment". Plus, I saw Joe connect with Torrey a time or two yesterday against the Browns. Smith Sr. is just a BETTER WR than Torrey Smith. Smith Sr. is a pending HOF'er.

[jazz1988]

Did you see Suggs blow that "end around" play up against the Browns yesterday? Suggs is no longer an elite pass rusher, but he's still an elite player. We could use another elite pass rusher on this team though. No doubt. But getting rid of Suggs would be horrific for B-More.

 

I think Suggs is still  a really good pass rusher but it's hard for our pass rushers to get to the quarterback when our secondary is consistently giving up short easy passes. One of main ways for a  offense to counter against a  good pass rush is to use screens and alot more plays that require the quarterback to get the ball out faster. Our secondary unfortunately is making it  easy for opposing quarterbacks to make the easy throws.

[Lockdown#22]

The bigger problem is the D-Line. Three high quality players are injured and sidelined (Jernigan, Lewis, Urban) and as a result the secondary has to work harder, not to mention the pressure on the DL starters to remain in the game. Calls for Pees to be replaced at this point is just wrong. 

I agree totally. The D-line is in shambles right now. If we had Urban, Jernigan and KLM yesterday, I doubt the Browns score even a FG... You add our injuries plus consistent no shows from CHRIS CANTY and it becomes obvious why are defense is struggling. Canty makes zero impact and plays SOFT. Yet its Suggs and Doom that are getting flack on these boards.Pay attention to Canty. He sucks!

[Lockdown#22]

I do think Pees' heavily passive playcalling has something to do with it, but I mean in terms of the secondary only im not sure what more he can be doing. Teams simply aren't throwing at Jimmy too much and on the other side you have either chykie brown or a guy in Asa who is just starting to play on defense in his 3rd year. Webb is injured and not close to 100%. And Harbs can talk about versatility all he wants but guys are safeties for a reason, and a lot of the times its because theyre not quick in the hips enough to play corner. I'm not sticking up for Pees' playcalling, but when you look at some of the players in the secondary right now I'm not sure what else he can be doing. The Ravens Must go cornerback in this years draft, and I don't mean 3 rookie free agents and a fifth round pick. They need an impact top 3 round talent at the position as well as locking up Jimmy for the long term. Im also very interested to see what happens when Will Hill comes back and if this improves Elam as he can play down inside the box

I'd love to see Ravens sign a solid CB in free agency then draft another with their first or second rd pick. After that I'd like to see mostly defensive lineman drafted.

[Lockdown#22]

Yup..like i said every week since preseason.   Jacoby should be concentrating solely on KR/PR duties and as a #2 deep threat.  Anything else, is fooling the folks around him and wasting the teams time.   His 2012 season performance is the BEST you'll ever see from Jacoby.

I actually think he plays better on shorter routes that move the chain. He's a nice option as a slot because not too many LBs or nickels can keep up with him. Did he drop more than 1 pass yesterday? I think getting him on shorter routes is the key. He has good juking and cutting abilities once he catches the ball. He normally drops longer passes that are meant for a more traditional WR like Smith Sr, Smith and even Aiken.

 

I think if we use Jacoby properly he'll be ok. KR/PR (like u mentioned), shorter routes and end arounds.

[pep_meister]

I agree totally. The D-line is in shambles right now. If we had Urban, Jernigan and KLM yesterday, I doubt the Browns score even a FG... You add our injuries plus consistent no shows from CHRIS CANTY and it becomes obvious why are defense is struggling. Canty makes zero impact and plays SOFT. Yet its Suggs and Doom that are getting flack on these boards.Pay attention to Canty. He sucks!

i really didnt see an issue with us stopping the run. look what o line was blocking our d line... i mean they have two stud rb's as well... look how we faired against gio bernard... held him under 50 yards. the glaring hole is our secondary.

[Static]

I think Suggs is still  a really good pass rusher but it's hard for our pass rushers to get to the quarterback when our secondary is consistently giving up short easy passes. One of main ways for a  offense to counter against a  good pass rush is to use screens and alot more plays that require the quarterback to get the ball out faster. Our secondary unfortunately is making it  easy for opposing quarterbacks to make the easy throws.

 

10/10 Perfect. Our front 7 is 100% our strength even with all our injuries. Even most of the runs yard given up seem to be because the RB got outside and the corresponding corner/ safety didn't make the tackle. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

It was the best of times and it was the worst of times. Coach Harbaugh is to be

commended for good clock management at the end of the game. His decision to punt the ball away with less than 2 1/2 minutes to play was the right call. His earlier decision to go for it on 4th and inches rather than to kick a FG was as dumb as throwing a dog biscuit into the dawg pound. It was a desperate call. Joe's interception was poor decision-making as was his late throw into the back of the end zone. His taking responsibility for the latter mistake was a sign of growth and maturity. It

prompted a commentator to say ownership is leadership. His calmness under pressure

is remarkable and impressive, even to Stephen Smith, Sr.. Asa's blocked FG was a

thing of beauty. His defensive prowess was slightly less than good as was Elam's

apparent loss of football memory when he failed to down the receiver after allowing a long pass completion. The number of missed tackles probably equaled or exceeded

the number of made tackles and yet the defense held when the game was on the line.

The one-two combo of Forsett and Taliferro made me forget how much I wanted to see

the Ravens draft homegrown Terrance West. How big does having a pass catching

fullback look with the loss of Dennis Pitta? On a day when Elvis wasn't in the house,Suggs played like the gladiator he is, despite what the NFL thinks of his mask. He is The General now. When Billy Cundiff said he shouldn't have to compete for his job against Justin Tucker, I assumed his days as a Raven were numbered. He reinforced

my belief yesterday that getting rid of him was the correct decision. It all led to a 23-21 come-from-behind victory yesterday. In one of my pre-game posts, I had

predicted we would win by a score of 23-20. So I was off by one. Finally, if we are going to make it to the playoffs, we absolutely need to find a veteran TE with some gas left in his tank. Perhaps Ozzie can talk Tony Gonzalez out of retirement for one last shot at the SB. Stranger things have happened.

Most of all, I pray for a full recovery for Dennis Pitta, whom I fear has played in his last pro football game. Dennis, you are a bawler!

[pep_meister]

It was the best of times and it was the worst of times. Coach Harbaugh is to be

commended for good clock management at the end of the game. His decision to punt the ball away with less than 2 1/2 minutes to play was the right call. His earlier decision to go for it on 4th and inches rather than to kick a FG was as dumb as throwing a dog biscuit into the dawg pound. It was a desperate call. Joe's interception was poor decision-making as was his late throw into the back of the end zone. His taking responsibility for the latter mistake was a sign of growth and maturity. It

prompted a commentator to say ownership is leadership. His calmness under pressure

is remarkable and impressive, even to Stephen Smith, Sr.. Asa's blocked FG was a

thing of beauty. His defensive prowess was slightly less than good as was Elam's

apparent loss of football memory when he failed to down the receiver after allowing a long pass completion. The number of missed tackles probably equaled or exceeded

the number of made tackles and yet the defense held when the game was on the line.

The one-two combo of Forsett and Taliferro made me forget how much I wanted to see

the Ravens draft homegrown Terrance West. How big does having a pass catching

fullback look with the loss of Dennis Pitta? On a day when Elvis wasn't in the house,Suggs played like the gladiator he is, despite what the NFL thinks of his mask. He is The General now. When Billy Cundiff said he shouldn't have to compete for his job against Justin Tucker, I assumed his days as a Raven were numbered. He reinforced

my belief yesterday that getting rid of him was the correct decision. It all led to a 23-21 come-from-behind victory yesterday. In one of my pre-game posts, I had

predicted we would win by a score of 23-20. So I was off by one. Finally, if we are going to make it to the playoffs, we absolutely need to find a veteran TE with some gas left in his tank. Perhaps Ozzie can talk Tony Gonzalez out of retirement for one last shot at the SB. Stranger things have happened.

Most of all, I pray for a full recovery for Dennis Pitta, whom I fear has played in his last pro football game. Dennis, you are a bawler!

i like the agressive 4th and 1 call. if that one guy was wasn't unblocked i'm betting tallifero would have been golden. and most likely for 10+

[frozen joe flacco fan]

i like the agressive 4th and 1 call. if that one guy was wasn't unblocked i'm betting tallifero would have been golden. and most likely for 10+

 

And "if 'ifs and buts' were candy and nuts what a merry Christmas it would be.

[pep_meister]

And "if 'ifs and buts' were candy and nuts what a merry Christmas it would be.

if the guy was accounted for like he should have been it easily would have been a first down. simple as that.

[berad]

Probably has to do with the fact that they did line up with their shoulders square to let you know that they were a part of the play

Good point and perhaps but I'd be interested in seeing the actual language in the rule book

[BmoreBird22]

Good point and perhaps but I'd be interested in seeing the actual language in the rule book

I'm curious as well, honestly, after hearing that from the game

[Hardbaugh]

I'm going to vent that I don't have much to vent about. Torrey needs to get it in gear that's obvious and Jones needs to as well. The defensive backfield looks like they need more communication to say the least.

 

I was thinking Joe was going to have a mediocre game but I believe he played a much better game than the talking heads/writers gave him credit for. Obviously the stats aren't gaudy , his comp pct. isn't exactly where I'd like it as well as the QB rating, I only saw one play the whole game I felt he missed and that's the one he tapped his chest on late in the game on the end zone throw when he was late throwing it.  If one takes into account the on field leader of the team dealing with the Rice controversy and his best friend going down to a bad injury I could see his grade for the game as B plus easily.

 

 

See and peeps call me a hater.

[Inqui]

I'm going to vent that I don't have much to vent about. Torrey needs to get it in gear that's obvious and Jones needs to as well. The defensive backfield looks like they need more communication to say the least.

 

I was thinking Joe was going to have a mediocre game but I believe he played a much better game than the talking heads/writers gave him credit for. Obviously the stats aren't gaudy , his comp pct. isn't exactly where I'd like it as well as the QB rating, I only saw one play the whole game I felt he missed and that's the one he tapped his chest on late in the game on the end zone throw when he was late throwing it.  If one takes into account the on field leader of the team dealing with the Rice controversy and his best friend going down to a bad injury I could see his grade for the game as B plus easily.

 

 

See and peeps call me a hater.

High praise indeed.

 

I'd be interested to see his QBR compared to previous years. While I'm not a huge fan of it (it's essentially an arbitrary collection of stats imo), this year has him in a much better spot to put up quality numbers.

[arnie_uk]

I'm going to vent that I don't have much to vent about. Torrey needs to get it in gear that's obvious and Jones needs to as well. The defensive backfield looks like they need more communication to say the least.

I was thinking Joe was going to have a mediocre game but I believe he played a much better game than the talking heads/writers gave him credit for. Obviously the stats aren't gaudy , his comp pct. isn't exactly where I'd like it as well as the QB rating, I only saw one play the whole game I felt he missed and that's the one he tapped his chest on late in the game on the end zone throw when he was late throwing it. If one takes into account the on field leader of the team dealing with the Rice controversy and his best friend going down to a bad injury I could see his grade for the game as B plus easily.

See and peeps call me a hater.

was he late on the read, ie 2nd option or what happened he didn't throw it in time? Didn't see a replay

[Militant X 1]

was he late on the read, ie 2nd option or what happened he didn't throw it in time? Didn't see a replay

 

He didn't throw it in time cause if he had it was a TD.  But for the most part Joe played well.

 

@Mili

[The Raven]

was he late on the read, ie 2nd option or what happened he didn't throw it in time? Didn't see a replay

 

That's what I couldn't tell. Joe has been consistently getting it out fast when the first read is there. Maybe he just goofed on that play, or maybe it was the second read. Tough to tell.

[arnie_uk]

He didn't throw it in time cause if he had it was a TD. But for the most part Joe played well.

@Mili

i was asking what happened to cause him not to throw it in time. Your response didnt answer that. Unless your saying he failed to throw it in time to avoid a td. Which makes zero sense

[ravens4life86]

I want an Article and Answers.... On our SAFETIES!!!!! Why is Terrance Brooks not getting a chance to play over the 2 bums.. ELAM and STEWART who are Strong Safeties and are standing in cement watching WRs and TEs blow by them every single sunday... They cant COVER Centerfield to save their life!!!

We drafted Brooks to be our True Ball hawking Free safety!!!

Now, you cant tell me he is worse them both of them....

Put him in

[ravens4life86]

Move Elam to Nickel, he played well vs the Steelers at the position...

But Im sick and tired of watching Elam and Stewart... Staring at each other wondering what happening... Only for Jimmy Smith to save a TD 20 yards after the play. They dont even have football IQ to touch the player when hes on the ground.

Give Brooks a shot...like YESTERDAY

[ravens4life86]

Seriously though.... Im going to bang on the Brooks drum until he gets a shot...because Stewart and Elam cant play centerfield.

I mean I would have taken last years tandem with James Ihedigbo over Elam and Stewart.. At least Ihedigbo

Has/had, a high football IQ, he was a strong safety but when he did cover he knew his limitations, and he made impact plays like a Pollard or Reed...whether it be a INT or a crushing hit that caused a fumble etc... And he knew where to be on most plays...

IHEDIGBO is better then both Elam and Stewart...right now... Elam is a SS and a good nickel he needs to stay out of coverage use him like Young Polamolu,blitzes and run defense... Or Pollard

Because Stewart is a in the box SS as well, who cant COVER!!!

Then bring in Brooks for Centerfield....

[ravens4life86]

I Want to see Terrance Brooks....

Let Brooks play Free Safety

Give him a shot

[ravensdfan]

High praise indeed.

 

I'd be interested to see his QBR compared to previous years. While I'm not a huge fan of it (it's essentially an arbitrary collection of stats imo), this year has him in a much better spot to put up quality numbers.

 

He's currently 16th on QBR. It is difficult to have any faith in a metric where Stafford is in the Top 10 with multiple INTs though. Outside of Week 1 we aren't passing nearly as much though.

[ravens4life86]

I'll still say my piece. I want Answers to the Safety position, like Yesterday.
You have 2 Strong Safeties playing and they cant cover CENTERGIELD to save their life!!!!!!

Give Terrance Brooks a Shot!!! We drafted him to be our true ball hawking Free Safety.
You cant tell me hes worse then Elam and Stewart.
2 in the box strong safeties, who are dazed and confused in Centerfield and dont even have the Football IQ to touch the player on the ground.
Only a speedy Jimmy Smith saves the day routinely

Every sunday big play after big play....

GIVE BROOKS A SHOT