Torrey Smith

[Static]

Look on the bright side! At least he won't want top dollar!! 

[ravens rule]

I have a strong feeling that next week will be bombs away and flacco will hit multiple deep throws to Torrey. With this strong running game play action will be deadly!With that aside  Torrey is just a deep threat and nothing more man. He will probably never be a 80+catch 1400 yard guy.Can't believe receiver is still a big need.

[GrimCoconut]

I have a strong feeling that next week will be bombs away and flacco will hit multiple deep throws to Torrey. With this strong running game play action will be deadly!With that aside  Torrey is just a deep threat and nothing more man. He will probably never be a 80+catch 1400 yard guy.Can't believe receiver is still a big need.

It's true. With the poor secondary that the Panthers have, this sets up to be a breakout game for Smith similar to the Rams game. Combine that with the loss of Pitta and Torrey should steal some of those targets. 

[Cillmatic]

Torrey's very overrated amongst the fans. Aequate hands, bad route running, bad separation, great speed. Very replaceable. I'd rather have someone we can depend on. Steve Smith is good but he can't be our only good receiver.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I hate to say it, bc he is a heck of a great guy, but Torrey needs to get a little meaner and nastier like he played vs the pats when his bro passed.

Get an attitude and toughness about ya man, step it up!

[Tru11]

This season he has drawn 3 defensive penalties for 69 yards.

 

If you add those to passing stats for him as the target, it becomes:

 

9/21 for 154 Yards.

 

That's still only a little over 7 yards per attempt and just over 40% completion percentage.  Still needs to contribute more than that, if you ask me.

 

so how many times was the ball placed inside the 5 yard line and was the result a TD?

 

also ive seen enough plays where he was open and the ball never got there or was a late inaccurate throw.

 

when you have a closer indepth look you will see that the routes kubiak has torrey running arent high % routes to begin with.

So its rather unrealistic to both have flacco and torrey complete a high % of those.

He also isent the first read on most of the plays either.

 

The biggest advantage of having torrey running those routes is to open up the underneath routes and drawing away coverage.

Thats the sole reason guys like steve smith , dennis pitta, owner daniels and kyle juszeck are in the position to catch these short passes high % passes.

 

i still think people are to hung up by stats thinking this is fantasy footballl lol.

 

its a different scheme then what we are used to see with emphasis on different things which logicially will show up different on the stat sheet.

 

55 of the 122 thrown passes went to a non WR.

thats 45%.

31 of 122 passes went to steve smith which is 25%.

 

well do the math on how many passes went to the other WRs lol.

[Inqui]

I don't think Torrey will ever be the reliable guy we like - his routes and maybe his hands might come along, but I don't think he deserves a huge contract.

 

That said, I think he adds another dimension to the offence that, no matter how badly he's playing, DCs have to respect. Any play at all could turn into an 80-yard bomb, so the secondary can't get caught playing too close to the line. Off the field, there's nothing to dislike - great bloke, hard worker, good representative of the franchise etc. If he has an average season this year, I'd like to see us keep him at the right price, because I still think he's one of those guys you like to have on your squad (on and off the pitch). Although if he gets overpaid elsewhere and that forces us to finally spend another high draft pick on a WR as well as earning a decent compensatory pick, I wouldn't be tragically upset.

 

And while I'm here, I wouldn't mind seeing Kubiak dial up a few plays this season that are designed to let Torrey do his thing. Slants, rubs, crosses, end-arounds, screens etc. Even Cam Cameron managed to use them to add tactical wrinkles. That kind of stuff has the potential to blow a game open and keep the defence flat-footed.

[Bruce_Almty]

I couldn't agree with Paul more. That play he mentioned with Torrey jogging down the field, I saw that also. He and Joe Haden were practically holding hands on a Sunday afternoon stroll--it was pathetic. No wonder Flacco doesn't trust him; evidently Kubiak doesn't either. I always felt Torrey was an average at best WR; Paul agrees.

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/baltimore-ravens-torrey-smith-gary-kubiak-free-agent/

 

In thinking about it...we've lost RR but the run game still looks good. We've lost Dennis but still have TE/WR options and, in essence, we're lost Torrey as a featured WR but the receiving corps still looks serviceable. Kudos to Ozzie & John for back-filling the talent.

[acranfor]

I couldn't agree with Paul more. That play he mentioned with Torrey jogging down the field, I saw that also. He and Joe Haden were practically holding hands on a Sunday afternoon stroll--it was pathetic. No wonder Flacco doesn't trust him; evidently Kubiak doesn't either. I always felt Torrey was an average at best WR; Paul agrees.

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/baltimore-ravens-torrey-smith-gary-kubiak-free-agent/

 

In thinking about it...we've lost RR but the run game still looks good. We've lost Dennis but still have TE/WR options and, in essence, we're lost Torrey as a featured WR but the receiving corps still looks serviceable. Kudos to Ozzie & John for back-filling the talent.

Yes, I agree with that article. I think we retain Torrey at the right price. The right price is probably around $5M per year.

[GrimCoconut]

Yes, I agree with that article. I think we retain Torrey at the right price. The right price is probably around $5M per year.

I actually think that's a fair price. $4-5M sounds where I think he should get paid. Wouldn't kill us and would allow us to develop him some more.

[Static]

At This rate , I wouldn't even pay him that. I like to give Deonte or Aiken get some looks. Let Torrey clear his head.

[PeRK82]

The only thing smith has been good for this season is .... drawing PI flags.   Like someone else posted earlier in this thread.

 

Torrey will show up, make some great catches in a and then disappear in the next and start over again.

[ellicottraven]

I will go this far as to say Torrey Smith is just as inconsistent as Joe Flacco and it's maddening. He either trips over himself, can't run too many other come back routes effectively and is not getting behind the defenders enough to give Joe the confidence to throw it deep...

 

The difference however, is when Joe shines he is really good. Torrey isn't making himself available consistently for Flacco to find him like he does Steve Smith Sr. I know this is a contract year for him, but I don't believe (like perhaps he and his agent do) that he deserves upper echelon WR money.

[ellicottraven]

Look on the bright side! At least he won't want top dollar!! 

No, his agent will convince him otherwise. His agent is the despicable Mr. Drew Rosenhaus A.K.A Mr. Sleazy.

[ellicottraven]

Look on the bright side! At least he won't want top dollar!! 

No, his agent will convince him otherwise. His agent is the despicable Mr. Drew Rosenhaus A.K.A Mr. Sleazy.

[The Raven]

I will go this far as to say Torrey Smith is just as inconsistent as Joe Flacco and it's maddening. He either trips over himself, can't run too many other come back routes effectively and is not getting behind the defenders enough to give Joe the confidence to throw it deep...

 

The difference however, is when Joe shines he is really good. Torrey isn't making himself available consistently for Flacco to find him like he does Steve Smith Sr. I know this is a contract year for him, but I don't believe (like perhaps he and his agent do) that he deserves upper echelon WR money.

 

Let me propose something to you: Maybe Torrey Smith, who has been one of our top two receivers for four years now, is part of the reason for Flacco's inconsistency. Despite what some say, a QB is only as good as his weapons. See Tom Brady and the Patriots' playoff exit last year. Brady played well but had nobody to throw to.

 

I'd really like to see Kamar Aiken involved more, on another note.

[ellicottraven]

Let me propose something to you: Maybe Torrey Smith, who has been one of our top two receivers for four years now, is part of the reason for Flacco's inconsistency. Despite what some say, a QB is only as good as his weapons. See Tom Brady and the Patriots' playoff exit last year. Brady played well but had nobody to throw to.

 

I'd really like to see Kamar Aiken involved more, on another note.

What exactly do you mean by 'Brady played well, but had nobody to throw it to?' If he didn't have anybody to throw it to, how exactly did he play well?  Remember he still threw 25 TDs and over 4300 yards.

[The Raven]

What exactly do you mean by 'Brady played well, but had nobody to throw it to?' If he didn't have anybody to throw it to, how exactly did he play well?  Remember he still threw 25 TDs and over 4300 yards.

 

What I mean is that he didn't lose them the game. He took care of the football and did what he could with a lackluster WR group. Thought that was obvious!

 

As for the yardage, well, Edelman and co. were really good for a few games and bad for a few. Their worst game just happened to be Denver in the playoffs.

[ellicottraven]

What I mean is that he didn't lose them the game. He took care of the football and did what he could with a lackluster WR group. Thought that was obvious!

 

As for the yardage, well, Edelman and co. were really good for a few games and bad for a few. Their worst game just happened to be Denver in the playoffs.

I see....

[Moderator 3]

Let's not go off on a "Brady" tangent, please. We're talking about Torrey here.

[The Raven]

Let's not go off on a "Brady" tangent, please. We're talking about Torrey here.

 

The example was used  to show how much Flacco needs Torrey to play better. Sorry if that's off topic.

[jdynamite]

Torrey smith definitely needs to learn how to comeback to the ball and attack the ball in the air. That's something all of our Wrs can learn from Steve smith sr tracking & attacking the ball in the air. Not just waiting on ball to get to their hands while a defender is fighting to break it up.

Also one of the main reasons Torrey can get separation is because he needs to run more consistent routes. He has improved a lot over the years but something simple like rounding out a route instead of crisp flat turn gives the defender angle to recover.

[izvoodoo]

Torrey smith definitely needs to learn how to comeback to the ball and attack the ball in the air. That's something all of our Wrs can learn from Steve smith sr tracking & attacking the ball in the air. Not just waiting on ball to get to their hands while a defender is fighting to break it up.

Also one of the main reasons Torrey can get separation is because he needs to run more consistent routes. He has improved a lot over the years but something simple like rounding out a route instead of crisp flat turn gives the defender angle to recover.

Yeah, in the Coryelle he's better because you just have to bend the route at full speed.  In the west coast it's a lot more about crispness and precision.  Him and Marlon are both sort of odd fits.

[Challenge Accepted]

Its sad. I remember his rookie year, the elite 3 rookie receivers were Torrey, AJ, and Julio jones.AJ and Julio obviously evolved and developed,but I still dont know why, and might never see Torrey become that "guy". Maybe we cut ties this offseason.

[CalvinSmoke]

I wouldn't pay more than 3 million for what we are getting atm. If he dogs it on plays he's not an early option, that rips off the entire defense. And gives Flacco less options if the first read isn't there

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, in the Coryelle he's better because you just have to bend the route at full speed. In the west coast it's a lot more about crispness and precision. Him and Marlon are both sort of odd fits.

Part of good route running is running full speed through a route. If you start to slow down, you'll sell your route and allow the defender to mirror more easily, or plant and drive back to the ball. Running full speed allows you to force a defender to open his hips so that when you do make a cut, he has to change his direction and momentum.

The problem Torrey has is that he doesn't do things full speed or even with consistent speed, unless it's a light jog. He's very inconsistent with his acceleration, which can lead to timing issues, and he seems slow down going into his breaks. The fly or post routes are generally a problem because he does go full speed through them. Thing is, if he'd run with consistent speed, he'd have a deadly curl route, like his touchdown against the Pats his rookie year

[Tank 92]

Let's not go off on a "Brady" tangent, please. We're talking about Torrey here.

 

 

tommie, Torrey, they both begin with T, right? 

[CalvinSmoke]

We cut Tommie Streeter for being a lot of what Torrey is giving us right now. I want him to be the man. I really do

[H8R]

We cut Tommie Streeter for being a lot of what Torrey is giving us right now. I want him to be the man. I really do

Umm... Touchdown Tommy never produced, at least Torrey has a history of producing

[CalvinSmoke]

Umm... Touchdown Tommy never produced, at least Torrey has a history of producing

I know you saw me type "right now"