Torrey Smith

[CalvinSmoke]

There's 2 reasons for this. First, Torrey turns his head to look back at Joe way too early when he's running a go route or a deep fade. Second, when Torrey does this, he slows down because you can't run at full speed when you twist your body to look behind you. The worst part is that DBs have picked up on this bad habit of Torrey's and are now instantly recognizing the route as either a go or fade (either way, it's deep down the sideline) so what DBs are doing is accelerating out in front of Torrey to box him out and position themselves for the interception. Torrey needs to stop tipping off the play to the DB, keep his head forward and run full speed and turn his head near the end of the route, not near the beginning.

He also needs to learn to not leave his arm where the DB can reach out and grab it to both slow him down and prevent him from reaching for the ball with two hands. You can't always count on the officials to throw the flag.

Torrey is talented, bit he lacks the size and quickness, he's more fast then quick, to rely on his physical talent. So, he needs to refine his technique. Which is what our previous coaching staff should have been focusing on with Torrey. If they'd done that, he'd be further along in his development. Well, at least when we resign him, he'll come cheaper because in this offense he's the #4 receiver option at best, so he's not putting up huge numbers ths year. Not unless he figures it all out real soon.

it's hard trying to define torreys speed. He accelerates fast and has a good top speed but he doesn't appear to be very agile.

[Ed_Reed20]

it's hard trying to define torreys speed. He accelerates fast and has a good top speed but he doesn't appear to be very agile.

He's no different from a lot of 6'0+ speedsters with his lack of wiggle, which hinders his route-running. He's not big or combative enough to consistently bully CBs either.

Love Torrey but his ceiling is a quality secondary target.

[I AM LEGEND]

I think we all like Torrey...but I think we all know we can live with or without him.

Its all gonna depend on the price.

He has some good characteristics however that I think if put with a top tier QB could end up making Torrey look very good. The way this offense operates under Flacco I dont think we should be too surprised if we dont have consistent success from WRs bc our QB isn't consistently successful.

Looking at the #s for WR's id say anything over 7mill is for WR's who can say they are #1 material. Id say anything under 4mill may not show appreciation for all hes done for us under that horrible rookie contract he was playing under. Hell,he helped us exorcise the demons against the pats the day his brother died. And he toasted Champ for a couple scores in what could be one of the biggest wins in Raven history. Id be good with 5 mill for 3 or 4 years.

like someone said are we sure we cant get JJ to lineup and get the same exact numbers hes been getting? JJ imo moves alittle better around the field also. Actually I saw Aiken get more seperation then Torrey has in two games in limited action against the bengals.

[The Raven]

Bold claim: Kubiak's scheme, which relies on short and intermediate routes, makes Torrey Smith expendable.

 

Torrey makes his money going deep, but he's no longer being used that way. Don't be surprised if we trade him or let him go if he doesn't start adjusting to the scheme. Guys like Camp and Kamar Aiken especially are great fits for this scheme.

 

Yeah, I'm really hoping Kamar gets more involved in this offense. His skill set is perfect for this passing game. Reminds me a lot of Boldin.

[lugie rave]

I can't believe as fans that so many of you are talking about Torrey like this.  He will come around.  Yes Smith Sr. has been putting on a show that is what he is here for.  Teams will start to cover Smith Sr. and Torrey and the others will benefit.  It has only been two games. Long season 14 more games.

[3-4ravdef509]

Yeah. I definitely don't see us letting go of Torrey. I feel like we'll end up paying him somewhere around the neighborhood of 6 mill a year for 4-5 years, maybe 10-15 in guaranteed money. I agree with I AM LEGEND, anything substantially over 7 million is too high unless he starts lighting it up this year.

 

But i was never thinking of Torrey as expendable, rather trying to figure out if his struggles are scheme related or execution related when I started this thread,

[H8R]

Here's the deal.... S.Smith is a better WR than Toreey Smith, I think that's becoming more true each game. Torrey needs to show more fire.. I've never seen a guy go down with such minimal contact like him.

[GrimCoconut]

Torrey Smith will need to catch on fire to get a big deal. This is true. I don't see any team breaking the Brinks for him at this rate. Now, I think the likely scenario is that we give Torrey a team-friendly deal or we offer him a one-year prove-it deal. I think either of these are the likeliest scenarios, to be honest, if Smith continues to have a season reflective of his current progress. I'm not projecting him gone nor am I saying he is a guaranteed re-sign. He's a Raven-type of guy, and he's one of those guys Harbaugh loves. He has potential, and in his fourth year you expect the 'leap' to take place. 

[beanfigger]

C'mon Torrey, step it up. We can't keep relying on older vet FAs to pick up the slack. You can be the guy if you want because the Ravens are going to give you every chance at that. Do whatever it takes to get on the same page with Joe like everyone else seems to be, and show us that you have the skills to be that guy.

[Tank 92]

Here's the deal.... S.Smith is a better WR than Toreey Smith, I think that's becoming more true each game. Torrey needs to show more fire.. I've never seen a guy go down with such minimal contact like him.

Lol.......Not a WR, but remember Pitta's first couple of years? Seemed that he had to fall on the ground to catch a pass!

I think Torrey will pick it up. At least I hope so.

Obviously Smitty is, was and will be a beasting WR. Not really a fair comparison, he's a fire breathing, nail spittin' SOB. And I luvs him!

[H8R]

Lol.......Not a WR, but remember Pitta's first couple of years? Seemed that he had to fall on the ground to catch a pass!

I think Torrey will pick it up. At least I hope so.

Obviously Smitty is, was and will be a beasting WR. Not really a fair comparison, he's a fire breathing, nail spittin' SOB. And I luvs him!

I'm not. Big Steve Smith fan to say the least... He's just a better WR than Torrey. I think Torrey will pick it up, but he's yet to show anything in the new offense.

[Tank 92]

I'm not. Big Steve Smith fan to say the least... He's just a better WR than Torrey. I think Torrey will pick it up, but he's yet to show anything in the new offense.

You're not what? I think we got our Smittys mixed up.......I was talking about Sr.. He is the consummate ball player. Luv his game and what he brings to intensify the Team. Wish he had been here his entire career.

Torrey needs to step it up! And I hope he will.

[H8R]

You're not what? I think we got our Smittys mixed up.......I was talking about Sr.. He is the consummate ball player. Luv his game and what he brings to intensify the Team. Wish he had been here his entire career.

Torrey needs to step it up! And I hope he will.

I was saying I'm not a big Steve smith guy... But he's a better WR Damn Iphone keyboard blows, the period wasn't supposed to be there

[RavensDE]

At the end of the day its on Torrey to get open but so far I think he's drawing the best DB and teams are scheming against him.  As Steve Smith threatens defenses more and more I think he may get more focus, leaving Torrey more room to get open.  In any case I'm positive that he is working hard to get better everyday.  

 

The thing is...

Torrey has always been a lotto ticket.  Some days he scores 2tds on 4 catches for 120 and others he gets 3 catches for 40 yards.  

[rmcjacket23]

At the end of the day its on Torrey to get open but so far I think he's drawing the best DB and teams are scheming against him.  As Steve Smith threatens defenses more and more I think he may get more focus, leaving Torrey more room to get open.  In any case I'm positive that he is working hard to get better everyday.  

 

The thing is...

Torrey has always been a lotto ticket.  Some days he scores 2tds on 4 catches for 120 and others he gets 3 catches for 40 yards.  

Precisely why most fans agree that he shouldn't get paid like a true #1 WR. When you look at the obvious elite WRs in this league, they don't generally don't have too many of those disparities.

 

You could make an argument, based on both production and how relevant he is to the offense, that 2013 was the only season (and still might be the only season) where he's the best WR on his own team.

[Tank 92]

I was saying I'm not a big Steve smith guy... But he's a better WR Damn Iphone keyboard blows, the period wasn't supposed to be there

Haha. Android rules!

[RavensDE]

Here's the deal.... S.Smith is a better WR than Toreey Smith, I think that's becoming more true each game. 

 

#firstworldproblems

 

Steve Smith might be the best wide receiver we have ever had.  Derrick Mason seemed to get open more and Boldin would catch it even if he was covered, but Smith seems to get open often and is just fantastic after the catch.  He's certainly among the top 3.  Torrey has been solid so far in career but the only reason we expected Sr. to play second fiddle is that we expected him to have lost a step.  In truth he HAS lost a step but given he's likely a lock for the HOF he has a ways to fall.  

[RavensDE]

Precisely why most fans agree that he shouldn't get paid like a true #1 WR. When you look at the obvious elite WRs in this league, they don't generally don't have too many of those disparities.

 

You could make an argument, based on both production and how relevant he is to the offense, that 2013 was the only season (and still might be the only season) where he's the best WR on his own team.

 

Oh yeah I totally agree.  He's not going to get #1 money from us in any case.  It just isn't worth it for the team to use up that much cap space on a WR unless he is downright elite.  Ozzy doesn't overpay and if has to due to a bad situation (Chris Carr) he leaves himself an out (Carr was cut the following year with little cap implications).  Torrey will get a fair market deal as determined by Moriarty's formula.  

[Challenge Accepted]

I will be very disappointed if Torrey gets more than $5mil a year. He has shown that he is a below average route runner, cannot make the contested catch, and even though speed is his best threat, cannot constantly elude defenders. Though I hope he steps it up. If he doesnt perform this year, he could he easily replaced by JJ or even another FA wr.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

I see Torrey accepting a one year "prove it" deal. Then if he fails to prove it, we resign him cheap anyway as he's not going to have much market value as a largely one trick pony who struggles to even do that one trick right. There aren't too many teams left that rely on a vertical offense like what we had under Camwell, and the ones that do (Saints, Cardinals, Vikings) are all pretty much set at WR. Face it, you can find a Torrey Smith type WR in most drafts fairly easily in the first 2-3 rounds. And usually someone better, So why pay a lot for Torrey when there's cheaper, and maybe better, options?

[ravens rule]

After reading posts I'll say this. I'm not happy with Torrey's play. Is it me or he always looks like he stumbling and uncoordinated?I definitely think he"ll show up soon, but I question if he can put together strong games to prove he is worthy of a contract. My guess will probably get around 5 mill, 6 at best.

[ravens rule]

Also we need a bigger sample size to see how Gary wants to use Torrey. So all these (trade/move on) comments need to be put on hold.

[Challenge Accepted]

After reading posts I'll say this. I'm not happy with Torrey's play. Is it me or he always looks like he stumbling and uncoordinated?I definitely think he"ll show up soon, but I question if he can put together strong games to prove he is worthy of a contract. My guess will probably get around 5 mill, 6 at best.

Yeah, he always seems to trip or slip. I would go even as far to say Mike Wallace is better than him

[jazz1988]

I never really expected Torrey Smith to tear it up right away and I think he just needs time to get comfortable in Gary Kubiak offensive system and I think he will eventually. Honestly the only wide receiver so far that has look great is Steve Smith and it's not like our other receivers have looked  better than Torrey Smith

[Dfence4champs2052]

I don't know what happened....seems like he's regressed in addition to being taken away and not getting as many targets. The was chatter last year I think about how he was working on the short range and intermediate passes to become a better, well rounded WR. That seems to have fallen by the wayside. No screens, no slants to him, etc. etc. And now he's being criticized for his route-running abilities. I don't know what it is, but I'd like to see him get back on track and become the #1 WR we drafted him to be. Otherwise, we'll end up paying him a ton of money and not get the production.

[H8R]

He's been a ghost.  I'm pretty disappointed. When his number has been called, he hasnt answered.  Now, could he light it up this week? It very well could happen, and I hope he does!

[1/28/01]

Who?

[gabefergy]

I think part of the issue is that Torrey is pretty strictly being used on intermediate and deep routes, and Joe is doing a good job of getting the ball out quick this year. It seems to be a point of emphasis to get the ball out fast.

 

It doesn't help that Torrey has dropped a couple of balls that probably should have been caught, but I would like to see him used more creatively. He is an explosive WR that can run after the catch. 

 

In the end, I think he will come around to being the WR he has been for most of his career. He'll catch 55-60 balls for 800-900 yards and hopefully  5-6 TDs. I do think that last year his numbers were inflated because of a lack of other options, and was probably an aberration.

 

He has drawn a couple of key PI penalties that don't show up in the stat sheet and he was running open on the play where Flacco threw the INT yesterday. If Joe doesn't get hit as he throws there is a good chance that was a TD.

 

TLDR- I'm not that worried, and I think the bigger games are coming, but he isn't going to have the statistical production he showed in 2013.

[callahan09]

torrey is good for drawing a big PI or 2 per game lol.

 

like other said he is getting doble coverage and his speed opens things up for the TE and smith in this case.

 

in the whole scheme of things , he is doing what he is supposed to do and it works.

 

i havent seen him run much crossing routes or slants  and such.

think those routes suite him fine  but o well.

 

This season he has drawn 3 defensive penalties for 69 yards.

 

If you add those to passing stats for him as the target, it becomes:

 

9/21 for 154 Yards.

 

That's still only a little over 7 yards per attempt and just over 40% completion percentage.  Still needs to contribute more than that, if you ask me.

[callahan09]

I think part of the issue is that Torrey is pretty strictly being used on intermediate and deep routes, and Joe is doing a good job of getting the ball out quick this year. It seems to be a point of emphasis to get the ball out fast.

 

It doesn't help that Torrey has dropped a couple of balls that probably should have been caught, but I would like to see him used more creatively. He is an explosive WR that can run after the catch. 

 

In the end, I think he will come around to being the WR he has been for most of his career. He'll catch 55-60 balls for 800-900 yards and hopefully  5-6 TDs. I do think that last year his numbers were inflated because of a lack of other options, and was probably an aberration.

 

He has drawn a couple of key PI penalties that don't show up in the stat sheet and he was running open on the play where Flacco threw the INT yesterday. If Joe doesn't get hit as he throws there is a good chance that was a TD.

 

TLDR- I'm not that worried, and I think the bigger games are coming, but he isn't going to have the statistical production he showed in 2013.

Edit:  Hmm... They rushed 5 on the INT play.  Yanda got beat pretty bad and let Kruger squeak through to hit Flacco while he threw.  Not a good display.  Also, the DB stop pursuing Torrey and came off the route and followed the trajectory of the ball after the pass and it was evident that the ball wasn't going to go anywhere near far enough to meet Torrey on the route, so it's debatable how open Torrey would have been if the ball had been thrown cleanly and the DB didn't come off the route.