CJ Freakin' Mosley

[ravensnick]

I'd take Bowman and Willis as the top two inside linebackers in the game, with Bowman being the better of the two. I think he gets overshadowed to an extent because of Willis draft status and prior success, but Bowman is an absolute monster.

 

One thing about Kuechly that no one mentions is the fact that he misses a lot of tackles (missed 15 in 2013), only had 123 solo tackles, he's not a pass rusher, and has two massive defensive tackles in front of him to eat space. No doubt that he's once of the best pass coverage linebackers in the NFL and a major tackling machine, but he's not adept at shedding offensive lineman, although he has improved with bringing down tacklers at his initial point of contact. I'd definitely say Kuechly is top 5, but not the best.

!. Bowman 2. Kuechly 3. Willis based on last year. Timmons, Wagner, Daryl Smith all high too. 

[BmoreBird22]

!. Bowman 2. Kuechly 3. Willis based on last year. Timmons, Wagner, Daryl Smith all high too.

Daryl Smith is weak against the run and Timmons had a bad year past year with no nose tackles to really absorb blocks for him

[izvoodoo]

Daryl Smith is weak against the run and Timmons had a bad year past year with no nose tackles to really absorb blocks for him

I think you put any linebacker behind those NTs you'd kind of get that same thing.

[BmoreBird22]

I think you put any linebacker behind those NTs you'd kind of get that same thing.

It's still what separates the good from the great

[allblackraven]

i think those 3 bowman and i strongly believe art brown will round out the top 5 in a few years

I like Art Brown but if he is included in this conversation, I think you can easily make an argument for Shazier, too.

[CalvinSmoke]

It's still what separates the good from the great

Even Ray Lewis needed a big defensive front

[BmoreBird22]

Even Ray Lewis needed a big defensive front

In his prime, Lewis was just all over the field and was almost untouchable. Sure, you could wash him out if you got hands on him, but good luck getting hands on him because he just flew

[GrimCoconut]

In his prime, Lewis was just all over the field and was almost untouchable. Sure, you could wash him out if you got hands on him, but good luck getting hands on him because he just flew

I remember Goose, Adams, Gregg helping Lewis not let guys "get their hands on him."

[The Mom Gene]

I think you put any linebacker behind those NTs you'd kind of get that same thing.

We actually have put guys back there behind our D-Line, next to Lewis that haven't performed as well. But yeah, Lewis was "small and undersized" for a linebacker.  This kid??? I do believe that Mosely is that good...  We are two games into his rookie season.  He's been freakin' awesome.  I think this kid will make his own mark on our team. 

[BmoreBird22]

I remember Goose, Adams, Gregg helping Lewis not let guys "get their hands on him."

I remember watching other offensive lineman on ESPN saying how they just could not get a hand on him because he was too fast, too elusive in his prime. I'm sure they did help, but Lewis was just unblockable at times

[acranfor]

Vontaze Burfict is up there as one of the best young ILBs (4-3 OLBs) in this league. Cinci's defense was totally different when he went out in the second half against us. He will be a nightmare for years in this division.

[The Raven]

It's still what separates the good from the great

 

I disagree. No linebacker can be great without  DL help. Even Ray Lewis knew he needed a big man up front to keep him clean.

 

Seriously, just look at all the elite LBs around the league. Kuechley, Bowman, Willis, Wagner, Burfict, Timmons, etc... They all have good defensive lines. 

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Moseley is a natural. If he can bulk up just a bit more, then he'll be a true force to be reckoned with.

[BmoreBird22]

I disagree. No linebacker can be great without  DL help. Even Ray Lewis knew he needed a big man up front to keep him clean.

 

Seriously, just look at all the elite LBs around the league. Kuechley, Bowman, Willis, Wagner, Burfict, Timmons, etc... They all have good defensive lines. 

I'm just saying that an increased emphasis is put on he stack and shed and ability to work through traffic and garbage for linebackers. That's not to say that it hurts to have help because more often than not, I'm sure a guard or center will win that battle with a linebacker, but it's still an important aspect to be able to work through those blockers. 

I've heard a lot of analysts argue that Seau is better than Lewis based on his ability to not get washed out when he had a blocker on him.

 

I actually wasn't the biggest fan of Kuechly coming out because so many of his tackles came down field because he couldn't work through blocks or shed blockers, so he was routinely making tackles four or five yards from the LOS, but of course, Carolina drafted two massive defensive tackles and he's able to just do his thing.

[izvoodoo]

I'm just saying that an increased emphasis is put on he stack and shed and ability to work through traffic and garbage for linebackers. That's not to say that it hurts to have help because more often than not, I'm sure a guard or center will win that battle with a linebacker, but it's still an important aspect to be able to work through those blockers. 

I've heard a lot of analysts argue that Seau is better than Lewis based on his ability to not get washed out when he had a blocker on him.

 

I actually wasn't the biggest fan of Kuechly coming out because so many of his tackles came down field because he couldn't work through blocks or shed blockers, so he was routinely making tackles four or five yards from the LOS, but of course, Carolina drafted two massive defensive tackles and he's able to just do his thing.

I watched both Seau and Lewis, and Lewis was better.  Though they're different types of player.  Seau was better at getting off blocks, but he couldn't cover the ground Lewis could.  so hypothetically if you build the right team you'd get more out of Lewis than Seau

[BmoreBird22]

I watched both Seau and Lewis, and Lewis was better.  Though they're different types of player.  Seau was better at getting off blocks, but he couldn't cover the ground Lewis could.  so hypothetically if you build the right team you'd get more out of Lewis than Seau

The few analyst that I saw say they'd take Seau were basically like Seau could get off blocks, but good luck touching Lewis at all

[ravensnick]

In his prime, Lewis was just all over the field and was almost untouchable. Sure, you could wash him out if you got hands on him, but good luck getting hands on him because he just flew

Yes, he he had an amazing front 7, as well as Suggs, Adelius Thomas, Bartt Scott, and Peter Boulware over the years. Not to mention a shutdown seconday featuring McAlister and Reed.

[beasy2487]

Yes, he he had an amazing front 7, as well as Suggs, Adelius Thomas, Bartt Scott, and Peter Boulware over the years. Not to mention a shutdown seconday featuring McAlister and Reed.

 

Haha interestingly enough, the guys you name here are the ones that Lewis made better (with the exception of Boulware), instead of the other way around. Guys in Lewis' front 7's over the years that made him better were Goose, Adams, Gregg, Early Trevor Pryce, Haloti...guys playing closer to the interior of the line. Basically, an ILB has to worry about Guards and Centers. If you're an ILB and tackles are getting their hands on you, not only are you not getting off those blocks, there are more problems with your front 7 than you can solve any time soon lol.

[Static]

Kyle Fuller has Mosley edged for DROY atm.

[GrimCoconut]

Kyle Fuller has Mosley edged for DROY atm.

I get what you're saying but do you know how hard it is for a DB to win that award? Not that I think he doesn't deserve it but it would be really impressive if he won it. It's so incredibly rare a DB wins the award that I'm guessing his chances are extremely small despite how well he may play.

[Static]

First Rookie CB to win the NFC Defensive Player of the Week.

[izvoodoo]

First Rookie CB to win the NFC Defensive Player of the Week.

 

 

I get what you're saying but do you know how hard it is for a DB to win that award? Not that I think he doesn't deserve it but it would be really impressive if he won it. It's so incredibly rare a DB wins the award that I'm guessing his chances are extremely small despite how well he may play.

What Static said.  The hype can just carry him from here.

[GrimCoconut]

What Static said. The hype can just carry him from here.

Not saying it can't happen. Just don't it's very hard. If he does get it he'll earn it.

Lol just realized how much like John Madden that sounds. I'm saying if he wins it, then he would've truly deserved it. It'll be a testament to his skill because it's really hard for a CB to win that award.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Remember when half of this forum wanted OJ Beckham?

Good times.

[GrimCoconut]

Remember when half of this forum wanted OJ Beckham?

Good times.

Man, that guy has been snake-bit if there ever was one. Really a shame. 

[BmoreBird22]

Not saying it can't happen. Just don't it's very hard. If he does get it he'll earn it.

Lol just realized how much like John Madden that sounds. I'm saying if he wins it, then he would've truly deserved it. It'll be a testament to his skill because it's really hard for a CB to win that award.

I'm probably the biggest Fuller homer on these boards and I don't think he'll win it. It's a linebackers award all the way, especially with Mack, Clowney, Mosley, and Shazier in this crop.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm probably the biggest Fuller homer on these boards and I don't think he'll win it. It's a linebackers award all the way, especially with Mack, Clowney, Mosley, and Shazier in this crop.

Yeah. That's the problem. Sacks, tackles, INT, FF. Those combined make DROY. It's a bit part of it and a CB typically never gets those kind of stats. 

 

LB Preston Brown leads rookies with 12 tackles and 8 assists. Shazier is next, I believe, with 17 combined tackles, 11 solo, 6 assists & 1 PD. Mosley follows with 16 tackes and 9 solo and 7 assists with 1 FR, 2 PD. None of them have INT, FF, or a sack yet. Khalil Mack has 12 tackles, 11 solo, 1 assist with 1 PD. Clowney is out 4-6 weeks, so that's a tough one for him. Fuller has 12 tackles with 8 solo and 4 assists with 2 INTs, 0 Pick-6, 0 FF, 0 FR, with 2 PD. 

 

For Fuller to be DROY, he'll need to have FF, INT, a few Pick-6, a bunch of PD and a bunch of tackles. It's certainly possible, but he'll be better playing in off-coverage, possibly zone, if he wants those kind of stats. Otherwise, it'll be hard to generate that many turnovers and tackles for a CB. 

 

Right now, Brown seems to be doing the best in tackles but none of these LBs have generated many turnovers or sacks. That needs to happen for one of them to be DROY. 

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah. That's the problem. Sacks, tackles, INT, FF. Those combined make DROY. It's a bit part of it and a CB typically never gets those kind of stats. 

 

LB Preston Brown leads rookies with 12 tackles and 8 assists. Shazier is next, I believe, with 17 combined tackles, 11 solo and 6 assists. Mosley follows with 16 tackes and 9 solo and 7 assists with 1 FR. None of them have INT, FF, or a sack yet. Not even a PD. Khalil Mack has 12 tackles, 11 solo, 1 assist with 1 PD. Clowney is out 4-6 weeks, so that's a tough one for him. Fuller has 12 tackles with 8 solo and 4 assists with 2 INTs, 0 Pick-6, 0 FF, 0 FR, with 2 PD. 

 

For Fuller to be DROY, he'll need to have FF, INT, a few Pick-6, a bunch of PD and a bunch of tackles. It's certainly possible, but he'll be better playing in off-coverage, possibly zone, if he wants those kind of stats. Otherwise, it'll be hard to generate that many turnovers and tackles for a CB. 

 

Right now, Brown seems to be doing the best in tackles but none of these LBs have generated many turnovers or sacks. That needs to happen for one of them to be DROY. 

Mosley should definitely have a forced fumble, but what ever, beside the point.

 

Do you remember Janoris Jenkins rookie season? He had returned FOUR defensive turnovers for touchdowns, an NFL tying record for all players. Fuller just isn't going to win it unless he hits double digit interceptions

[Cville-Raven]

Yeah. That's the problem. Sacks, tackles, INT, FF. Those combined make DROY. It's a bit part of it and a CB typically never gets those kind of stats. 

 

LB Preston Brown leads rookies with 12 tackles and 8 assists. Shazier is next, I believe, with 17 combined tackles, 11 solo and 6 assists. Mosley follows with 16 tackes and 9 solo and 7 assists with 1 FR. None of them have INT, FF, or a sack yet. Not even a PD. Khalil Mack has 12 tackles, 11 solo, 1 assist with 1 PD. Clowney is out 4-6 weeks, so that's a tough one for him. Fuller has 12 tackles with 8 solo and 4 assists with 2 INTs, 0 Pick-6, 0 FF, 0 FR, with 2 PD. 

 

For Fuller to be DROY, he'll need to have FF, INT, a few Pick-6, a bunch of PD and a bunch of tackles. It's certainly possible, but he'll be better playing in off-coverage, possibly zone, if he wants those kind of stats. Otherwise, it'll be hard to generate that many turnovers and tackles for a CB. 

 

Right now, Brown seems to be doing the best in tackles but none of these LBs have generated many turnovers or sacks. That needs to happen for one of them to be DROY. 

Um I'm pretty sure Mosely has 2 PDs

[GrimCoconut]

Um I'm pretty sure Mosely has 2 PDs

Yeah, he does. My mistake. I went off of NFL.com and the area where I was wasn't updated with that. My mistake. I  fixed it and edited my original post. Thanks.