CJ Freakin' Mosley

[JoeyFlex5]

Slow down.. It's possible

But you still have

Bowman,kiko (if ever healthy) Sean Lee, kuechly

As already established young star LB's

kiko hasnt been established enough with only 1 season and a torn acl under his belt. and yes there is gonna be other ilbs that are good and have played longer than mosley, but im still going to confidently predict that he will be better than any of them, the only one i see that would stay superior to mosley would be kuechly, of course these are all just predictions, but mosley is a baller and i think they are realistic predictions

[codizzle]

kiko hasnt been established enough with only 1 season and a torn acl under his belt. and yes there is gonna be other ilbs that are good and have played longer than mosley, but im still going to confidently predict that he will be better than any of them, the only one i see that would stay superior to mosley would be kuechly, of course these are all just predictions, but mosley is a baller and i think they are realistic predictions

Bowman lee kuechly are all way ahead of where Mosley is right now...

Obviously I'm judging based off of them being healthy since your original thought was couple years from now

Mosley could be that but should prolly let him play a few games first?

[GrimCoconut]

Kuechly is the best ILB in the NFL as far as I am concerned. I've said that since last year now. The guy is the real deal. I'm not sure if Mosley has that kind of upside. Mosley is a great player, but I am not so sure he can be as good as Kuechly. That's up to him for sure. All I can do is go off of measurements: 

 

6-2, 234lbs, 33 3/8th arms, 10 3/4th hands, 35" VERT, 118 BROAD, 7.30 3-CONE, 4.40 20YD Shuttle

6-3, 242lbs, 31" arms, 9 3/4th hands, 4.58 40, 27 Bench, 38" VERT, 123 Broad, 6.92 3-Cone, 4.12 20YD SHUTTLE, 11.43 60YD Shuttle

 

Luke is an inch taller but their weight is about the same considering the height. Probably a 5lb difference which isn't much. Mosley has better arm and hand size. Kuechly is a better athlete. I don't take all these into account, but a 3-Cone of a 6.92 rivals some DB scores. That's an extremely impressive 3-Cone. I hope Mosley can become as good as Kuechly, but I won't count on it. I'll be happy if he is just slightly below Luke. 

[Sizzlebshu]

So someone bring up the pff grade yet?

[chunkywill25]

Kuechly's a baller but I believe Bowman is overall the better player

[arnie_uk]

kiko hasnt been established enough with only 1 season and a torn acl under his belt. and yes there is gonna be other ilbs that are good and have played longer than mosley, but im still going to confidently predict that he will be better than any of them, the only one i see that would stay superior to mosley would be kuechly, of course these are all just predictions, but mosley is a baller and i think they are realistic predictions

so Kiki isn't established enough yet cj with 2 games is?

[arnie_uk]

So someone bring up the pff grade yet?

haven't seen it but we did get run on a bit so if it's low I'd assume that's why

[JoeyFlex5]

Bowman lee kuechly are all way ahead of where Mosley is right now...

Obviously I'm judging based off of them being healthy since your original thought was couple years from now

Mosley could be that but should prolly let him play a few games first?

well obviously he needs more than 2 games before we say hes better than these veterans, but i see no reason to not get excited, we have legitimate reason to be excited about this player

[JoeyFlex5]

so Kiki isn't established enough yet cj with 2 games is?

never said he was established enough, i also never said mosley is better than them, i said in a few years im predicting that he WILL be better than most of them. 

[arnie_uk]

never said he was established enough, i also never said mosley is better than them, i said in a few years im predicting that he WILL be better than most of them.

you predicted Mosley to be the best ilb in the game. Codizzle said it could be Kiko, you countered that by saying he's not established enough yet to counter his argument, yet he's played more than Mosley, who you said would be the best ilb. You've contradicted yourself

[JoeyFlex5]

you predicted Mosley to be the best ilb in the game. Codizzle said it could be Kiko, you countered that by saying he's not established enough yet to counter his argument, yet he's played more than Mosley, who you said would be the best ilb. You've contradicted yourself

no, i still didnt contradict myself, doesnt look like you are comprehending what im typing. 

 

dizzle was saying mosley is not yet in the company of bowman, kuechly, kiko, etc. 

 

i was agreeing with that, because of course you cant be in the same company as those guys after only 2 games. 

 

but i was stating that kiko currently doesnt belong in the same company as bowman and kuechly, because he has too small of a sample size, we can talk about kiko in the future being in that elite company, but dizzle basically said kiko is a top tier elite ILB right now, he isnt talking about reserving judgement for the future like i am, he is already placing kiko in that company, which i disagree with, i am simply saying mosley could be in the same company as willis, bowman and kuechly some day, not saying hes there RIGHT NOW, and i am disagreeing with the person who is placing kiko in that elite company RIGHT NOW. 

 

dizzle never even predicted kiko to be the best ILB in the league, he put a list of top flight ILB's with kiko's name already in that list, all i did was disagree. 

 

are you understanding this yet? or is this just a lost cause?

[ravensdan]

Mosleys off grades...

Week 1: 67/67 snaps

.5 run def

-.2 pass rush

-.7 pass cov

1 penalty

5 tackles, 1 missed, 3 stops

Overall : -1.3

Week 2: 60/60 snaps

1.4 run def

-.2 pass rush

-2.2 pass cov

0 penalty

7 tackles, 2 assist, 2 missed, 2 stops

Overall: -.9

Over 2 games -2.2 overall

[ravensdan]

Week 1 top 5:

Kuechly 5.5

Rolando 3.2

Woodyard 2.3

Bostic 2.1

Dansby 1.5

[JoeyFlex5]

Mosleys off grades...

Week 1: 67/67 snaps

.5 run def

-.2 pass rush

-.7 pass cov

1 penalty

5 tackles, 1 missed, 3 stops

Overall : -1.3

Week 2: 60/60 snaps

1.4 run def

-.2 pass rush

-2.2 pass cov

0 penalty

7 tackles, 2 assist, 2 missed, 2 stops

Overall: -.9

Over 2 games -2.2 overall

but a forced fumble and recovery on his own arent even factored? 

 

this is why statsheets are vastly inferior to just WATCHING to judge how a player performs. 

 

if pff really thinks mosley needs a -.9 for thursday night then they are smoking that good stuff.

[ravensdan]

but a forced fumble and recovery on his own arent even factored?

this is why statsheets are vastly inferior to just WATCHING to judge how a player performs.

if pff really thinks mosley needs a -.9 for thursday night then they are smoking that good stuff.

His biggest negative category was pass coverage. Hard to say how well he did without the coaches tape. Which they watch. It was only a slightly negative grade.

[codizzle]

I put kiko in the top tier for future comparison but didn't include him in discussion for best ilb 3 years from now if that makes sense

Right now there are a handful of ilb's I would've included that are seasoned vets that I'd take over kiko but they aren't players that are on the rise as a cj, kiko, kuechly etc

And I agree with PFF's grade.. He's basically automatic in run defense already but has had a few mishaps in coverage. He's excellent in coverage just a few things here and there

[ravensdan]

Btw Timmons belongs in the conversation as the one of the top 5 ilb. I don't know why he is overlooked.

[Sizzlebshu]

haven't seen it but we did get run on a bit so if it's low I'd assume that's why

Missed tackles and being pulled around by Ben in coverage are the reasons listed (-1.8)

[arnie_uk]

but a forced fumble and recovery on his own arent even factored?

this is why statsheets are vastly inferior to just WATCHING to judge how a player performs.

if pff really thinks mosley needs a -.9 for thursday night then they are smoking that good stuff.

they gave the fumble to the ball carrier. Possibly because both smith and mosley were tackling him

[arnie_uk]

Missed tackles and being pulled around by Ben in coverage are the reasons listed (-1.8)

can agree with that. We got beat in the middle of the field quite a bit. Thought it was more smith than mosley but it was like 3am with me so I'll defer to the experts

[arnie_uk]

I put kiko in the top tier for future comparison but didn't include him in discussion for best ilb 3 years from now if that makes sense

Right now there are a handful of ilb's I would've included that are seasoned vets that I'd take over kiko but they aren't players that are on the rise as a cj, kiko, kuechly etc

And I agree with PFF's grade.. He's basically automatic in run defense already but has had a few mishaps in coverage. He's excellent in coverage just a few things here and there

i think those 3 bowman and i strongly believe art brown will round out the top 5 in a few years

[JoeyFlex5]

i think those 3 bowman and i strongly believe art brown will round out the top 5 in a few years

not if the team doesnt activate him. facepalming the coaching staff for that one

[arnie_uk]

not if the team doesnt activate him. facepalming the coaching staff for that one

yea well that will hold him back haha

[codizzle]

Btw Timmons belongs in the conversation as the one of the top 5 ilb. I don't know why he is overlooked.

Would've included him but I was keeping it to really young potential superstars at position

[codizzle]

i think those 3 bowman and i strongly believe art brown will round out the top 5 in a few years

Bowman pre injury is best ilb in game.. And if he comes back healthy, will still be

Unless kuechly finds another level and matches him

Putting art brown in there is a huge stretch but I understand you presenting it as an opinion

[The Raven]

I like Art Brown but he just isn't physical enough to be among those other guys. Those guys hit hard. Brown doesn't, well at least not yet. 

 

Now Mosley... I feel he could enter the conversation.

[GrimCoconut]

I like Art Brown but he just isn't physical enough to be among those other guys. Those guys hit hard. Brown doesn't, well at least not yet.

Now Mosley... I feel he could enter the conversation.

I don't now about that. He hit pretty hard in that preseason game. I remember that hit. Can't remember who he hit but they definitely felt it.

[BmoreBird22]

Everyone was pissed about us taking an ILB, but I knew CJ would win the fans over once he got on the field.

 

Plus looks just like Waldo from Family Matters.

Quick, someone make a meme

[BmoreBird22]

I'd take Bowman and Willis as the top two inside linebackers in the game, with Bowman being the better of the two. I think he gets overshadowed to an extent because of Willis draft status and prior success, but Bowman is an absolute monster.

 

One thing about Kuechly that no one mentions is the fact that he misses a lot of tackles (missed 15 in 2013), only had 123 solo tackles, he's not a pass rusher, and has two massive defensive tackles in front of him to eat space. No doubt that he's once of the best pass coverage linebackers in the NFL and a major tackling machine, but he's not adept at shedding offensive lineman, although he has improved with bringing down tacklers at his initial point of contact. I'd definitely say Kuechly is top 5, but not the best.

[jdynamite]

Mosley is playing fast and instinctive. Rather than overthinking then reacting slowly to plays. I hope he continues to improve week by week. Initialing I didn't like the pick for 2 reasons ( 1st was I really liked the Safety Calvin Pryor, the 2nd reason was I feared we might mismanage and stagger Mosely's development due to having Arthur Brown already and how much Bynes played last year. ) I didn't want to see another ILB rotation like we had with Gooden,McClain, Ellerbe then McClain & Ellerbe. Causing these guys to not reach their potential quick enough IMO.

* I like that Mosley has clearly stepped in and made that position onside of D.Smith his. I hope Arthur brown can come along too