Next up: Browns

[allblackraven]

Harbaugh was asked about it earlier today and whether it meant Hill might play Monday. He was predictably vague.

I bet he was vague about Webb, too?

[I AM LEGEND]

Very worried about this game...

Id be worried about it if the Browns were 2-14 and stunk just bc its a division opponent that knows us well.

Im even more worried because.....and this is gonna sound strange....

But....

I think the Browns are a good team!

This game is gonna be won by the Defense of the winning team. I dont expect Flacco to have a big day against that D and those corners...but as overrated as I think our defense is...Hoyer and Austin dont scare me either. Whatever defense makes thr big play of plays the field game better will win.

[GrimCoconut]

Has anyone heard anything about Webb playing? I'm just going to go and assume the guy won't suit up again. Hopefully he proves me wrong. It's getting ridiculous. 

 

I will say, no doubt, if these injuries continue with Webb all season, there's no way we don't address CB next year. None. Webb could just be flat-out gone. 

[HoldingCall]

Very worried about this game...

Id be worried about it if the Browns were 2-14 and stunk just bc its a division opponent that knows us well.

Im even more worried because.....and this is gonna sound strange....

But....

I think the Browns are a good team!

This game is gonna be won by the Defense of the winning team. I dont expect Flacco to have a big day against that D and those corners...but as overrated as I think our defense is...Hoyer and Austin dont scare me either. Whatever defense makes thr big play of plays the field game better will win.

I agree, they are a good team. A decade of early round draft picks, a solid defense for years and now an OC and QB adds up. 

[Tenacious Faulker]

Very worried about this game...

Id be worried about it if the Browns were 2-14 and stunk just bc its a division opponent that knows us well.

Im even more worried because.....and this is gonna sound strange....

But....

I think the Browns are a good team!

This game is gonna be won by the Defense of the winning team. I dont expect Flacco to have a big day against that D and those corners...but as overrated as I think our defense is...Hoyer and Austin dont scare me either. Whatever defense makes thr big play of plays the field game better will win.

I agree.  The Browns are not a team to be trifled with.  They've inmproved.  They have a former Raven coach at the helm now.  Hoyer is a smart QB.  West/Crowell/Tate (if he plays) are all potent backs.  They have a great secondary.  

 

What the Ravens can exploit is their injuries/suspension Tate, Cameron, Mingo, and Hughes and Gordon and Moore suspensions.  The Browns have a mediocre pass rush and and OL generating and allowing 4 sacks respectively.  Their rush defense ranks 25th and has allowed 301 yards in the 1st two games.  The Ravens have generated 3 sacks (I still consider Upshaw's hit on Ben a sack not a penalty) and if they can get better penetration and pressure Hoyer like they did with the Steelers, our secondary can do the rest.  They can then take their run game away as well.  

 

Ravens 30 - Browns 13

[rmcjacket23]

Here is why every single Ravens fan should be worried about this game and frankly every road game we play...

 

Since the Harbaugh era began in 2008 through 2013, look at the incredible disparity in home/road regular season statistics for this franchise...

 

Home record: 39-9 (never lost more than 2 regular season home games in a season)

Road record: 23-25 (only one winning road record - 2008)

 

Home point differential: +483

Road point differential: +9

 

Home PPG scored: 25.6

Road PPG scored: 20.8

 

Home PPG allowed: 15.5

Road PPG allowed: 20.6

 

The question I'd ask you is... why do you think the team we are playing matters?

[GrimCoconut]

I agree.  The Browns are not a team to be trifled with.  They've inmproved.  They have a former Raven coach at the helm now.  Hoyer is a smart QB.  West/Crowell/Tate (if he plays) are all potent backs.  They have a great secondary.  

 

What the Ravens can exploit is their injuries/suspension Tate, Cameron, Mingo, and Hughes and Gordon and Moore suspensions.  The Browns have a mediocre pass rush and and OL generating and allowing 4 sacks respectively.  Their rush defense ranks 25th and has allowed 301 yards in the 1st two games.  The Ravens have generated 3 sacks (I still consider Upshaw's hit on Ben a sack not a penalty) and if they can get better penetration and pressure Hoyer like they did with the Steelers, our secondary can do the rest.  They can then take their run game away as well.  

 

Ravens 30 - Browns 13

The Browns are modeling themselves after the Ravens, to an extent. Bold trades, trading down for future picks, etc. They have taken a lot of our waived players and our free agents. If you analyze their roster, you'll see parallels. A strong OL with Thomas, Bitonio, Mack, Greco and Schwartz. A nice TE in Cameron. A solid run game to reduce pressure on the QB in West, Crowell, and Tate. Building a historically lackluster WR corps through free agents over high draft picks (Austin, Hawkins). That's not even discussing the defense, which has Paul Kruger, Jim Leonard, and Ishmaa'ily Kitchen--all who were once Ravens. 

 

It's like looking into a mirror from years ago. Problem is, the coaching has always been lackluster, but with a competent DC, they may be ready to be the bully we once were. A strong OL, a strong run game, and a strong defense can take you far. We did it for years and the Seahawks just used that exact model to win the Super Bowl. Granted, the Browns don't have much at QB in Hoyer, but he's a game manager who could make some plays. That's a good recipe for success. 

[rmcjacket23]

The Browns are modeling themselves after the Ravens, to an extent. Bold trades, trading down for future picks, etc. They have taken a lot of our waived players and our free agents. If you analyze their roster, you'll see parallels. A strong OL with Thomas, Bitonio, Mack, Greco and Schwartz. A nice TE in Cameron. A solid run game to reduce pressure on the QB in West, Crowell, and Tate. Building a historically lackluster WR corps through free agents over high draft picks (Austin, Hawkins). That's not even discussing the defense, which has Paul Kruger, Jim Leonard, and Ishmaa'ily Kitchen--all who were once Ravens. 

 

It's like looking into a mirror from years ago. Problem is, the coaching has always been lackluster, but with a competent DC, they may be ready to be the bully we once were. A strong OL, a strong run game, and a strong defense can take you far. We did it for years and the Seahawks just used that exact model to win the Super Bowl. Granted, the Browns don't have much at QB in Hoyer, but he's a game manager who could make some plays. That's a good recipe for success. 

To put it simply... I don't see this team blowing out anybody on the road, and especially a division opponent.

Ravens win a close game, and probably a low scoring game.

[acranfor]

Here is why every single Ravens fan should be worried about this game and frankly every road game we play...

 

Since the Harbaugh era began in 2008 through 2013, look at the incredible disparity in home/road regular season statistics for this franchise...

 

Home record: 39-9 (never lost more than 2 regular season home games in a season)

Road record: 23-25 (only one winning road record - 2008)

 

Home point differential: +483

Road point differential: +9

 

Home PPG scored: 25.6

Road PPG scored: 20.8

 

Home PPG allowed: 15.5

Road PPG allowed: 20.6

 

The question I'd ask you is... why do you think the team we are playing matters?

The key to success in the NFL is go 8-0 at home and 4-4 on the road. It is hard for any team to win on the road. We have done pretty well in the Harbaugh era.

[acranfor]

Has anyone heard anything about Webb playing? I'm just going to go and assume the guy won't suit up again. Hopefully he proves me wrong. It's getting ridiculous. 

 

I will say, no doubt, if these injuries continue with Webb all season, there's no way we don't address CB next year. None. Webb could just be flat-out gone. 

No one will hear about Webb playing for sure until about noon on Sunday. I am still confident that he has not been hurt for the past 2 games. It is more of a conditioning thing. His body needs to get back to playing full speed so he does not get hurt again.

[beanfigger]

Here is why every single Ravens fan should be worried about this game and frankly every road game we play...

Since the Harbaugh era began in 2008 through 2013, look at the incredible disparity in home/road regular season statistics for this franchise...

Home record: 39-9 (never lost more than 2 regular season home games in a season)

Road record: 23-25 (only one winning road record - 2008)

Home point differential: +483

Road point differential: +9

Home PPG scored: 25.6

Road PPG scored: 20.8

Home PPG allowed: 15.5

Road PPG allowed: 20.6

The question I'd ask you is... why do you think the team we are playing matters?

Because in spite of our subpar road stats, we are still 5-1 in Cleveland during that time.

[K-Dog]

If you think the Browns suck, you dont know much about football.

[rmcjacket23]

The key to success in the NFL is go 8-0 at home and 4-4 on the road. It is hard for any team to win on the road. We have done pretty well in the Harbaugh era.

No, the key in the NFL is to be a balanced football team that can win anywhere. Do I expect us to win every home game and every road game? Of course not, nor would I expect the balance to be equal.

 

When your point differential at home is +483 and your point differential on the road is +9, there is no sort of balance whatsoever. I agree that 23-25 isn't a terrible road record, but nobody can objectively say that we've been "pretty good" on the road, because there isn't a single statistic that supports that. Points scored goes down, points allowed goes up, and we lose more games... on the road.

 

Its difficult for good teams to beat other good teams on the road. What shouldn't be difficult, if you're a good team, is for a good team to beat a mediocre or bad team on the road. By my count, of the 25 road losses since 2008, 9-10 of them have come against teams who were 8-8 or worse in that season.

 

No realistic team, no matter how good they are, can expect and bank on going 8-0 at home.

[rmcjacket23]

Because in spite of our subpar road stats, we are still 5-1 in Cleveland during that time.

And not coincidentally... when was that last loss?

[FerrariFan87]

All road games are worrisome, no matter the opponent. The Brownies aren't going to be pushovers like in the past, but they're still the Brownies...

 

23-14 Ravens.

[acranfor]

No, the key in the NFL is to be a balanced football team that can win anywhere. Do I expect us to win every home game and every road game? Of course not, nor would I expect the balance to be equal.

 

When your point differential at home is +483 and your point differential on the road is +9, there is no sort of balance whatsoever. I agree that 23-25 isn't a terrible road record, but nobody can objectively say that we've been "pretty good" on the road, because there isn't a single statistic that supports that. Points scored goes down, points allowed goes up, and we lose more games... on the road.

 

Its difficult for good teams to beat other good teams on the road. What shouldn't be difficult, if you're a good team, is for a good team to beat a mediocre or bad team on the road. By my count, of the 25 road losses since 2008, 9-10 of them have come against teams who were 8-8 or worse in that season.

 

No realistic team, no matter how good they are, can expect and bank on going 8-0 at home.

Then what are you saying....???? These four paragraphs go in circles.

 

We should be beating bad/mediocre teams on the road? Yes that is the expectation...And by your count we have! 9 losses to sub 0.500 teams over 6 years? That is 1.5 losses per year...

 

The Ravens have made the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years. That is 5 successful seasons...

 

As for the Browns, they are a mediocre team. We SHOULD beat them. However, home field is a quantifiable advantage. In addition, Football has the smallest disparity from team to team. Any given Sunday is not a myth - that is one reason football is the American sport closest to perfection. The Ravens need to play well to win this. I do not think anyone here believes otherwise.

[GrimCoconut]

Then what are you saying....???? These four paragraphs go in circles.

We should be beating bad/mediocre teams on the road? Yes that is the expectation...And by your count we have! 9 losses to sub 0.500 teams over 6 years? That is 1.5 losses per year...

You also have to account for those teams being improving teams on the rise, such as the Seahawks. Then you always have that bad team that beats a good team because they just really wanted the win. Happens all the time.

[izvoodoo]

You also have to account for those teams being improving teams on the rise, such as the Seahawks. Then you always have that bad team that beats a good team because they just really wanted the win. Happens all the time.

Also loosing to Tennessee when Kenny Britt was chomping us up.  He blew out his knee the next game and never recovered.  But he was a top 5 receiver that game.

[GrimCoconut]

Also loosing to Tennessee when Kenny Britt was chomping us up. He blew out his knee the next game and never recovered. But he was a top 5 receiver that game.

Yeah. Sometimes, it's just a match-up situation. Some teams, even if they're bad, match up well against good teams. That's the NFL man.

[beanfigger]

And not coincidentally... when was that last loss?

That's a completely different issue than your previous post. 5-1 in Cleveland makes your talk of our road woes the last six years irrelevant. If you want to make an argument about how things changed last year, that's a separate debate.

[dirtybird10]

Very worried about this game...

Id be worried about it if the Browns were 2-14 and stunk just bc its a division opponent that knows us well.

Im even more worried because.....and this is gonna sound strange....

But....

I think the Browns are a good team!

This game is gonna be won by the Defense of the winning team. I dont expect Flacco to have a big day against that D and those corners...but as overrated as I think our defense is...Hoyer and Austin dont scare me either. Whatever defense makes thr big play of plays the field game better will win.

 

Yup and our D not blowing assignments. That is what killed the Saints, they let Hawkins slip behind them for  a wide open pass that put them in chip shot field goal position. That and a combination of us not being able to move the ball against them, could spell a very frustrating loss. I think were definitely the better team, but they are at home, and they are a pretty good team, and they don't like Baltimore.

[acranfor]

http://ravensall-22.blogspot.com/2014/09/how-to-attack-browns-defense.html

 

Good Article on attacking the Brown's defense.

[rmcjacket23]

Then what are you saying....???? These four paragraphs go in circles.

 

We should be beating bad/mediocre teams on the road? Yes that is the expectation...And by your count we have! 9 losses to sub 0.500 teams over 6 years? That is 1.5 losses per year...

 

The Ravens have made the playoffs 5 of the last 6 years. That is 5 successful seasons...

 

As for the Browns, they are a mediocre team. We SHOULD beat them. However, home field is a quantifiable advantage. In addition, Football has the smallest disparity from team to team. Any given Sunday is not a myth - that is one reason football is the American sport closest to perfection. The Ravens need to play well to win this. I do not think anyone here believes otherwise.

Yes, and as we learned last season, when you don't have a 12-4 or 11-5 team, 1.5 losses per season to bad road teams is the difference between a playoff and non-playoff team. Remember, that's not 1.5 road losses per season TOTAL... thats 1.5 road losses per season to a BAD or at least inferior football team. No team, home or away, can afford losses to teams that are at least perceived or end up being inferior.

 

I mean look at last season... we were 6-2 at home, which is basically what we are most seasons. Nothing changed there.

The difference... a 2-6 road record, including losses at Cleveland and Buffalo.

 

For me, I find it amusing when people come in here saying "we are going to spank this team" and "Ravens will win by 30". I find this naive at best. Could it happen? Sure, just like us losing by 30 could happen. But there's nothing from any season recently that I've seen that suggests we are in a position to stomp ANY team on the road, regardless of whether they are a 2-14 team or a 14-2 team. If I'm a realistic Ravens fan, I'm looking at Sunday's game and expecting to have to play really well to even win 7-10. If we play like we did against Pittsburgh, we probably win a pretty close game. If we play like we did against Cincinnati, we probably lose easily.

[rmcjacket23]

That's a completely different issue than your previous post. 5-1 in Cleveland makes your talk of our road woes the last six years irrelevant. If you want to make an argument about how things changed last year, that's a separate debate.

No, it means the entire premise of it "being Cleveland" is irrelevant. It could be the Jags, Bills, Browns, Chiefs, or any other historically bad team you want to throw out there. Road woes are road woes period... don't really care who we play.

[beanfigger]

No, it means the entire premise of it "being Cleveland" is irrelevant. It could be the Jags, Bills, Browns, Chiefs, or any other historically bad team you want to throw out there. Road woes are road woes period... don't really care who we play.

 

But road woes don't mean much when we're going to a place where we are 5-1 while struggling to play on the road. Our record would be even worse in all your stats if you took our record playing outside of Baltimore and Cleveland, both of which are places where we've had great success in the last 6 years. Bring this up again when we go to Indy.

[rmcjacket23]

But road woes don't mean much when we're going to a place where we are 5-1 while struggling to play on the road. Our record would be even worse in all your stats if you took our record playing outside of Baltimore and Cleveland, both of which are places where we've had great success in the last 6 years. Bring this up again when we go to Indy.

Well, by that logic, Indy isn't a good reference either, because a certain QB who we couldn't beat there isn't there anymore.

[Inqui]

I love how dramatically the voice of this thread has changed from after our Steelers win to after the Browns win. If I didn't know any better, I'd say people have short memories...

[rmcjacket23]

I love how dramatically the voice of this thread has changed from after our Steelers win to after the Browns win. If I didn't know any better, I'd say people have short memories...

You should have really sampled it from about 5pm on Sunday the 7th until about midnight on the 11th.

Went from being the worst team in the league to SB contender in just under 5 days. Truly impressive.

[BrownsFan]

Hi BrownsFan! Always good to see you!

 

Congrats on taking down the Saints! 

 

Sorry this Home loss you're about to take is going to sting some! 

 

Likewise!  It's been a while that's for sure!  That's what having two kids running around on a constant basis and a job that keeps me busy 40+ hours a week will do for your free time.

 

I do appreciate you capitalizing "Home" and showing respect for Cleveland.  I know that deep down you *want* the Browns to win but can't really say that publicly.  It's ok - I won't hold it against you. 

 

All road games are worrisome, no matter the opponent. The Brownies aren't going to be pushovers like in the past, but they're still the Brownies...

 

23-14 Browns.

 

I fixed your post. 

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Likewise!  It's been a while that's for sure!  That's what having two kids running around on a constant basis and a job that keeps me busy 40+ hours a week will do for your free time.

 

I do appreciate you capitalizing "Home" and showing respect for Cleveland.  I know that deep down you *want* the Browns to win but can't really say that publicly.  It's ok - I won't hold it against you. 

 

 

I fixed your post. 

Really trolling on Tuesday? See ya' Sunday, we got other things to do, baseball! Oh and I ca't let this go, aren't we who you used to think you are? L.A. is your next home, seriously good luck. After all the injuries so far we both got off easy! Just been awhile since I've had to rib a Cleveland fan!