Talk about the Steelers game

[Blackbirds Rule]

I agree the short yardage/redzone plays needs to be figured out. I'd like to see Deonte activated and possibly open up the big play down field there was a few drop backs Joe was going to launch but it wasnt there...

yeah I'd like to see Deonte return a little or add some more speed to deep routes. But Jacoby is fine for now but when we play certain teams we may need to put that weapon on the field.

[codizzle]

That was a big hit, but that Upshaw hit... Good gosh

I hear ya.. But that hit was talked about.. Forever

And upshaw did hit em with the crown... Bart's was perfect

[Cville-Raven]

I was pretty blown away with how bad the Steelers pass rush is. 

[Blackbirds Rule]

1. I told all of you people this in the preseason... Brown and Jacoby are simply not going to big parts of this offense. While I agree he could be used more in the red zone, other teams know that as well. When you see a big guy come in the game who has been sitting on the sideline for most of the game, its going to draw attention from defensive coaches. He just doesn't figure to have a major role on offense this season.

2. I agree that Taliaferro should get some looks at the goal line, but I'm wondering if its a trust issue with Harbaugh. We will see if that changes.

 

I get that but just because you put him out there in the redzone doesn't mean you have to always throw it to him. It just makes the defense have to watch him. You can still run it with him out there or throw it up to him or to the other side. it just adds another wrinkle to our offense. If Jacoby isn't going to be a big part of the offense and just a returner then you can save money on him with Deonte and get some value from trading Jacoby. i have to think it just came down to the teams that we've played that are in our division. They know our players and tendecies so Jacoby hasn't been able to break free although  he dropped the deep ball Flacco put right in his hands in Cincy that might've been a TD. Cleveland has a really good secondary and a goof front line we'll see what he does in that game.

[rmcjacket23]

I get that but just because you put him out there in the redzone doesn't mean you have to always throw it to him. It just makes the defense have to watch him. You can still run it with him out there or throw it up to him or to the other side. it just adds another wrinkle to our offense. If Jacoby isn't going to be a big part of the offense and just a returner then you can save money on him with Deonte and get some value from trading Jacoby. i have to think it just came down to the teams that we've played that are in our division. They know our players and tendecies so Jacoby hasn't been able to break free although  he dropped the deep ball Flacco put right in his hands in Cincy that might've been a TD. Cleveland has a really good secondary and a goof front line we'll see what he does in that game.

But there's no point (and frankly its not realistic) to trading Jacoby when we just re-signed him.

In general, I would agree with you that if Jacoby is going to be used exclusively as a kick returner, it might not have been wise to re-sign him to begin with.

But as is, he's here and he just doesn't have much of a role on offense. The only time I see him being used is on some sort of gadget play or in the two minute drill, or possibly, late in the game when we are down big.

[Blackbirds Rule]

But there's no point (and frankly its not realistic) to trading Jacoby when we just re-signed him.

In general, I would agree with you that if Jacoby is going to be used exclusively as a kick returner, it might not have been wise to re-sign him to begin with.

But as is, he's here and he just doesn't have much of a role on offense. The only time I see him being used is on some sort of gadget play or in the two minute drill, or possibly, late in the game when we are down big.

I agree with you i don't see it as a realistic option I was just saying if you're not going to use him why pay him that. i have to believe we just aren't showing our hand just yet. That we're saving some stuff for later on in the year. if we can just keep playing sound on defense and on the offensive line and keep winning. Then when we get into a game where we have to open it up we'll start some deep routes and getting juice into the passing game.

[BmoreBird22]

I hear ya.. But that hit was talked about.. Forever

And upshaw did hit em with the crown... Bart's was perfect

It was definitely face mask and helmet just above that face mask, not crown. In pads and a helmet, you can only raise your head so much, and he had his head up

[rmcjacket23]

The fact that Smith sr is better at 35 years then Torrey tells you he will always be a no 2 reciever.

And frankly, I have no issue with this... as long as he gets paid like a #2.

If he wants #1 money, we very well may be justified in letting him look elsewhere.

[Static]

No way Torrey asks for good money unless he has a monster year.

[ravensfan2430]

I was pretty blown away with how bad the Steelers pass rush is. 

I agree. Not good at all

[rmcjacket23]

I agree with you i don't see it as a realistic option I was just saying if you're not going to use him why pay him that. i have to believe we just aren't showing our hand just yet. That we're saving some stuff for later on in the year. if we can just keep playing sound on defense and on the offensive line and keep winning. Then when we get into a game where we have to open it up we'll start some deep routes and getting juice into the passing game.

I never buy the "we're not tipping our hand" argument in the regular season, because no NFL team has that luxury. If you start "saving plays" for later in the season, and you're starting your season 0-3, whats the point?

We MAY be strategically not using him based on gameflow and the overall gameplan against a specific opponent, but the emphasis in the league now is having a secondary that doesn't give up big plays.

I just don't see the volume being there.

I also never bought Juice being a major factor in the passing game. The only reason people think that is because of what happened in the preseason, and that is when I think the Ravens weren't tipping their hand. I think they intentionally threw a lot of passes to the FB in a conservative approach to not give away a lot of their play calling.

[beasy2487]

Calling all trolls. Please stand up and be counted.

[arnie_uk]

Probably was the hardest hit he had ever taken, and definitely a clean hit.

doesn't compare to the bart scott one imo

[ravensfan520]

Mosley is the real deal... If he continues like this... He will be d rookie of the year.

[Blackbirds Rule]

I never buy the "we're not tipping our hand" argument in the regular season, because no NFL team has that luxury. If you start "saving plays" for later in the season, and you're starting your season 0-3, whats the point?

We MAY be strategically not using him based on gameflow and the overall gameplan against a specific opponent, but the emphasis in the league now is having a secondary that doesn't give up big plays.

I just don't see the volume being there.

I also never bought Juice being a major factor in the passing game. The only reason people think that is because of what happened in the preseason, and that is when I think the Ravens weren't tipping their hand. I think they intentionally threw a lot of passes to the FB in a conservative approach to not give away a lot of their play calling.

What i mean is not show all the formations we're capable of. i think in our dividion it's a physical one so we created physical game plans. I think we'll have a similar one next week and for Carolina. For the Indy game and Tampa game I think we'll open it up a little more. I think we have a coordinator finally that will gameplan according to the teams we play.

[callahan09]

Special teams were PHENOMENAL in this game.  About as picture perfect a performance every time they were on the field as you could ask for.  Defense let them churn up a lot of clock and get a ton of first downs (and allowed WAY too many yards per carry), but was pretty good on third down and did a PERFECT job in the red zone.  The offense was the inverse of the defense.  They were amazing, moving at will up and down the field, until they got to the red zone.  Red zone play left a lot to be desired except for the two wide open touchdowns to Daniels.  We were fortunate to get within a goal-to-go situation what, 6 times?  Something crazy like that.  I just hope we get better at turning those into TDs.

[Tank 92]

I hear ya.. But that hit was talked about.. Forever

And upshaw did hit em with the crown... Bart's was perfect

 

 

Upshaw's hit on ben?  no way, he had his head up as far as he could get it and his face mask hit his chest. just watched it again.

[callahan09]

Watching Flacco against the Steelers has been a joy lately.  He always seems to bring his A-game to this rivalry.  It's been a couple of years going now where I don't get nervous about Steelers games, I just look forward to a great game of football where the Ravens always put forth their best effort.

 

Flacco against Pittsburgh, 2008-2010:

2-6 record

133/249, 1550 yards, 7 td, 8 int

53.41% completion percentage, 6.22 yards per attempt, 68.5 qb rating

 

Flacco against Pittsburgh since 2011:

5-2 record

150/240, 1508 yards, 9 td, 1 int

62.50% completion percentage, 6.28 yards per attempt, 91.1 qb rating

 

Oh yeah!

[beasy2487]

Watching Flacco against the Steelers has been a joy lately. He always seems to bring his A-game to this rivalry. It's been a couple of years going now where I don't get nervous about Steelers games, I just look forward to a great game of football where the Ravens always put forth their best effort.

Flacco against Pittsburgh, 2008-2010:

2-6 record

133/249, 1550 yards, 7 td, 8 int

53.41% completion percentage, 6.22 yards per attempt, 68.5 qb rating

Flacco against Pittsburgh since 2011:

5-2 record

150/240, 1508 yards, 9 td, 1 int

62.50% completion percentage, 6.28 yards per attempt, 91.1 qb rating

Oh yeah!

callahan's back with the stats! All we need is Perk to resurrect his highlight reels and this board will be back to the glory days!! Oh yea and we need to keep winning football games haha.

[MrPlankton]

Remember all the fuss about not picking up Blount? Wasn't even sure if he played last night, lol. 

[BmoreBird22]

Lol

Love that guy...but I dont think I'd shed a tear if he wasn't here...been all down hill after the injury.

He's been very solid so far, very strong against the run

[BmoreBird22]

I haven't watched all 22, but when he's in view, you can see he just isn't creating separation. His route running is still subpar and defenders can mirror him easily. He has the speed obviously but rounding corners on cuts as much as he does won't get you open.

Rounding corners isn't the worst thing you can do if you're going full speed, but something tells me he's not

[Moderator 3]

Rounding corners isn't the worst thing you can do if you're going full speed, but something tells me he's not

His speed appears inconsistent to me. He speeds up and slows down trying to track the ball. It's no wonder he's often overthrown.

[balfan23]

Sportscenter sucks!  "Yeah the Ravens win but the play of the game was Bell's 21 yard run." What??? How about Forsett's 41 yard run???

My solution to the problem? Stop tuning in. I'm done with them, period. 

[balfan23]

Owen Daniels.... dudes a beast.

Hopefully he's put away all talk from our own fanbase about how he's this year's version of Dallas Clark. Clark, as awesome a career he had, really didn't have it last year. Daniels on the other hand showed up, big. The fact that he held onto that ball where Polamalu cracked him in the head was quite a statement. 

[The Raven]

Rounding corners isn't the worst thing you can do if you're going full speed, but something tells me he's not

 

Maybe he's struggling to accelerate through the route. A lot of the vets (Boldin and Mason especially come to mind) vary their speed and accelerate through the route to help with separation. Torrey's still learning that nuance of the game.

 

Also, I know it's easier to cover a guy like Torrey because all you have to do is play the sticks. When you play the sticks against Torrey, it's easy to cover those rounded routes. Once you see him break, you just come up. If he goes long, you bail and run with him. That's what I see teams do against him mostly. They press him or they play the sticks.

[BRAVENNATION52]

What's up w/Mosley??

Lovin' Ngata's last play of the game!!

Forsett nothing but Awesome things can be said.

Now if we can get those TD's we'll be in good shape

If we play like this every game play off spot is looking pretty good.

[DWplayer]

First of all, congratulations Baltimore. The Ravens put an old fashion butt woopin on the Steelers last night plain and simple.
I really haven't read many other posts in this thread so I don't know what peoples feelings are here about the officiating last night, but it drove me crazy. I understand that the league is trying to eliminate or at least significantly lessen head injuries and all, but my God, are you allowed to hit anymore? And it started with the hit / sack on Roethlisberger that was text book based on how we were taught to tackle in high school and should have ended the drive. Then it seemed like every time the Steelers broke up a pass they were flagged for a personal fowl for hitting a defenseless receiver. And I'm not talking about the pass interference that lead to the first touchdown, that was legit. But how the heck are you supposed play this game any more?
It's ridiculous. It's a tough game and when you sign the contract you take on the risks that come with it. Let em play ball. The league is ruining this game.

[1/28/01]

First of all, congratulations Baltimore. The Ravens put an old fashion butt woopin on the Steelers last night plain and simple.

I really haven't read many other posts in this thread so I don't know what peoples feelings are here about the officiating last night, but it drove me crazy. I understand that the league is trying to eliminate or at least significantly lessen head injuries and all, but my God, are you allowed to hit anymore? And it started with the hit / sack on Roethlisberger that was text book based on how we were taught to tackle in high school and should have ended the drive. Then it seems like every time the Steelers broke up a pass they were flagged for a personal fowl for hitting a defenseless receiver. How the heck are you supposed play this game any more?

It's ridiculous. It's a tough game and when you sign the contract you take on the risks that come with it. Let em play ball. The league is ruining this game.

Yeah, its a pathetic sliver of what the NFL used to be. There needs to be middle ground here. The product on the field nowadays is soft and sorry to watch at times.

[MTRavensFan]

I am SO glad that CBS/NFL Network covered this game. There was mercifully little talk about Rice.Had this been an ESPN broadcast - the worldwide leader in (tabloid) sports, it would have been unbearable. 

 

The best part of the commentary was when Boomer opened the broadcast and threw in a nice little jab at ESPN for their role in sensationalizing this incident. 

 

What did he say? I missed it.