My Proposal for NFL Policy Change

[Moderator 3]

Here is what I would like to see come out of this crapstorm.

If a player, coach, or FO employee is arrested on DUI, violence, weapons, or any felony charge:

Automatic suspension (with appropriate cap relief) until the case is adjudicated. This encourages the charged person to move quickly through the system instead of dragging it out.

If the case is dismissed or the charges dropped, the player is reinstated and awarded back pay (with no cap penalty).

If the person is found guilty, additional NFL penalties could be applied, depending on the circumstances.

Note that in Ray Rice's case, this means he would have been suspended until completion of the diversionary program, but he would have received his back pay if he successfully completed it.

[Sizzlebshu]

Here is what I would like to see come out of this crapstorm.

If a player, coach, or FO employee is arrested on DUI, violence, weapons, or any felony charge:

Automatic suspension (with appropriate cap relief) until the case is adjudicated. This encourages the charged person to move quickly through the system instead of dragging it out.

If the case is dismissed or the charges dropped, the player is reinstated and awarded back pay (with no cap penalty).

If the person is found guilty, additional NFL penalties could be applied, depending on the circumstances.

Note that in Ray Rice's case, this means he would have been suspended until completion of the diversionary program, but he would have received his back pay if he successfully completed it.

Requesting this topic be locked and deleted. 

 

This is stupid and unamerican. 

 

So what you want is for someone to basically be guilty until proven innocent which is wrong for so many reasons. Additionally, you would like double punishment if the person found guilty since they would be suspended prior based on an accusation which may or may not even have any merit. 

[Sizzlebshu]

Additionally, this doesn't need its own topic and probably belongs in the Ray Rice thread. 

[The Mom Gene]

Requesting this topic be locked and deleted. 

 

This is stupid and unamerican. 

 

So what you want is for someone to basically be guilty until proven innocent which is wrong for so many reasons. Additionally, you would like double punishment if the person found guilty since they would be suspended prior based on an accusation which may or may not even have any merit. 

Question for ya....  Don't a lot of people sit in jail until their case is adjudicated?.....

Just sayin'...

 

If the person is found to be not guilty, they would still get paid...  Sounds good to me.....

If the person is found to be  guilty...  they would lose their pay and their job.

[K-Dog]

Ya all are funny.

[K-Dog]

Mod-3

That sounds as safe and fair as it gets.

[The Mom Gene]

Ya all are funny.

With this week?????  You think we're all not slap-happy????? 

We do work hard to really try and make the site fun....... for everyone.

[Moderator 3]

Additionally, this doesn't need its own topic and probably belongs in the Ray Rice thread.

Not really since I'm more thinking of the current pending cases, including the one where the player has been found guilty and is out on appeal but is still playing.

[Sizzlebshu]

Question for ya....  Don't a lot of people sit in jail until their case is adjudicated?.....

Just sayin'...

 

If the person is found to be not guilty, they would still get paid...  Sounds good to me.....

If the person is found to be  guilty...  they would lose their pay and their job.

They actually have this thing called bail which allows them to not sit in jail before a case is adjudicated. 

[Sizzlebshu]

Not really since I'm more thinking of the current pending cases, including the one where the player has been found guilty and is out on appeal but is still playing.

Im saying that because this is pretty clearly a reaction to the Rice incident. Yes it involves pending cases going forward, but it stems from the NFL's handling of the situation. 

[Sizzlebshu]

Question for ya....  Don't a lot of people sit in jail until their case is adjudicated?.....

Just sayin'...

 

If the person is found to be not guilty, they would still get paid...  Sounds good to me.....

If the person is found to be  guilty...  they would lose their pay and their job.

Its not just about pay. Some of these player are at risk of losing their jobs if they get suspended like that. You can say that the marquee players are safe but for the fringe guys who are on the roster bubble, and indefinite suspension could very well mean they are cut. 

 

Additionally for vets, it allows new players to come in a potentially vulture their jobs with better performance that otherwise wouldn't have happened. 

 

You are also forgetting how this affect the FO and coaching staff whose jobs it is to win games. They cannot do that as effectively if these players are suspended. If Muhammad Wilkerson gets suspended because of a completely bogus accusation, Rex Ryan would likely be screwed unless his team over performs without the needed talent. Suspending these players also puts the jobs of coaches like Ryan, and Allen who have gotten on thin ice as they rebuild rosters. A blow like that likely means their last chance is over. You can make the argument that a good coach wouldnt be put in that position, but sometimes that is hand they are dealt (Jason Garrett, Rex Ryan, Dennis Allen especially) 

[The Mom Gene]

They actually have this thing called bail which allows them to not sit in jail before a case is adjudicated. 

not always... some are never afforded that luxury.

 

Its not just about pay. Some of these player are at risk of losing their jobs if they get suspended like that. You can say that the marquee players are safe but for the fringe guys who are on the roster bubble, and indefinite suspension could very well mean they are cut. 

 

Additionally for vets, it allows new players to come in a potentially vulture their jobs with better performance that otherwise wouldn't have happened. 

 

You are also forgetting how this affect the FO and coaching staff whose jobs it is to win games. They cannot do that as effectively if these players are suspended. If Muhammad Wilkerson gets suspended because of a completely bogus accusation, Rex Ryan would likely be screwed unless his team over performs without the needed talent. Suspending these players also puts the jobs of coaches like Ryan, and Allen who have gotten on thin ice as they rebuild rosters. A blow like that likely means their last chance is over. You can make the argument that a good coach wouldnt be put in that position, but sometimes that is hand they are dealt (Jason Garrett, Rex Ryan, Dennis Allen especially) 

Obviously it didn't mean a whole bunch here....  talking about Harbaugh who has been nothing shy of a great coach, leading his teams to the playoffs every year...  (except last year)

 

Then you have yeah, the coaches of these other teams as well...  You're comparisons really don't hold much water... considering these three other women who are out there right now aren't having to undergo the scrutiny that Janay has had to undergo as well...  I was thinking more along the lines of the victim in this case.....  Remember her?????

[Sizzlebshu]

not always... some are never afforded that luxury.

 

Obviously it didn't mean a whole bunch here....  talking about Harbaugh who has been nothing shy of a great coach, leading his teams to the playoffs every year...  (except last year)

 

Then you have yeah, the coaches of these other teams as well...  You're comparisons really don't hold much water... considering these three other women who are out there right now aren't having to undergo the scrutiny that Janay has had to undergo as well...  I was thinking more along the lines of the victim in this case.....  Remember her????

 

Cool let's talk about that. What did the victim in the case want? Oh yea she was pleading on Rice's behalf to keep his punishment from being severe.

 

Pretty sure the victim feels bad about the Rice cut/suspension given what she said. Pretty sure this negatively affects her. Clearly the NFL did what she wanted. It wasn't acting in its own best interest at all here right????

 

Really how did the victim benefit in this scenario? Still with her supposed abuser who is not going to go to jail. Now Rice wont be earning a paycheck which we can only assume negatively affects her. 

 

Its extremely misleading and misinformed to say the way the situation worked was to benefit the victim or to take a stand against in regard to domestic violence. This was not about the victim. This was not about domestic violence. This was about PR. Plain and simple. 

 

In regards to coaches, Dennis Allen has if anything, overachieved the last 2 years given the talent he has to work with. Oakland is clearly in a rebuild and until this year could do nothing about it. He is on the hot seat as a result. If he loses his best player to this type of policy and is fired because Oakland could not improve due to not having the requisite talent, is this fair or his fault? 

[The Mom Gene]

WOW....  So, it has nothing to do with re-victimizing her?

The fact that they have been together since they were in High School?

That there is the possibility/probability that it's never really happened before

The fact that they weren't really themselves due to consuming 2 large bottles of alcohol?

 

This situation has done just the opposite.... it DOESN'T benefit the victim at all!

As a matter of fact, most other victims are shielded in most cases.

 

And then there is the VAWA laws...  That actually DO protect women who are victims of domestic violence from exactly this... repeated exposure...  But you see???  That is a completely different situation...

 

We have taken a man who has done something...  Something thousands of men do every day, and we have made him the poster child..... and his wife and daughter are living it, and reliving it....  all because we want to discuss it over and over and over every day.

 

Unlike most others.....  That's my point.  This has been a media circus... instead of allowing the process to take it's course...  as Mod 3 suggested.

[100YARDS]

I think the idea of "hitting a woman" shouldn't be the headline.  Domestic violence against any individual  IE; family member, significant other - whatever the relationship.

The problem is the culture of the behavior (Hernandez) is what needs focus

[Moderator 3]

Maybe it's too soon for this discussion. I was trying to think of a way for the NFL to clean up its image and avoid this type of mess going forward.

Can we stick to "what to do going forward" rather than rehashing what has already gone down? If not, I'll go ahead and close the thread.

[Sizzlebshu]

Maybe it's too soon for this discussion. I was trying to think of a way for the NFL to clean up its image and avoid this type of mess going forward.

Can we stick to "what to do going forward" rather than rehashing what has already gone down? If not, I'll go ahead and close the thread.

There really isn't anything to discuss here. The NFL is not the solution to domestic violence issues in the NFL. The criminal justice system is. Unless people are harshly punished and thrown into jail, no punishment the NFL hands down will be fair to all parties involved. 

 

Your punishment assume the person is guilty before innocent and does, imo, a lot more harm than good. It essentially screws roster bubble player, coaches and their families, etc... all for something that may have no actual basis (take Marshawn lynch's case this summer as an example). That would have been a huge blow to the Seahawks if the investigation of the incident ran through week 1. If they had lost that game for what was ultimately a baseless accusation, the outrage against the policy would be immense. 

[100YARDS]

And why is the entire focus on one individual (Rice) when you have a case like Mc Donald @ the 49ers who was ARRESTED for felony domestic assault - didn't he leave bruises on his pregnant girlfriend?

There are several current cases to compare -  the media sooooo glad TMZ gave them some low hanging fruit