Stop the Rumors and Gossip.... Lets talk facts...

[FlocksGottaFeed]

2 Questions -

 

1 - Can a self-made video of a video (before official charges were made) be considered under the same non-disclosure law?

 

2 - If the NFL has 'the cream of the crop legal team' employed by them, why didn't they (their attorneys) advise the NFL not to even attempt to contact anyone requesting the video tape? Knowing that it's against the law?

[TheRavenouseD2008]

2 Questions -

 

1 - Can a self-made video of a video (before official charges were made) be considered under the same non-disclosure law?

 

2 - If the NFL has 'the cream of the crop legal team' employed by them, why didn't they (their attorneys) advise the NFL not to even attempt to contact anyone requesting the video tape? Knowing that it's against the law?

If in possession of the police as evidence it is considered under the law  yes , and again more then likely Yes

[FlocksGottaFeed]

If in possession of the police as evidence it is considered under the law  yes , and again more then likely Yes

Not if it is a personal copy from a cell phone, private video, etc. before actual charges have been brought.

[ravens9273]

Not if it is a personal copy from a cell phone, private video, etc. before actual charges have been brought.

The video would have been property of the Casino which is a corporation. If someone made a copy with their cell phone without permission it would be considered theft. They have no right to sell what is not theirs.

[1/28/01]

Not if it is a personal copy from a cell phone, private video, etc. before actual charges have been brought.

It would be viewed the same as a bootlegged Disney movie.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

It would be viewed the same as a bootlegged Disney movie.

Thank you. Good try, but negative.

 

We are talking about a private copy from a cell phone, cam, etc. before official charges have been made. Unless your personal copy is officially subpoenaed for evidence and taken into evidence - you can do whatever you want with it.

 

You want to try the other question? Before the game is on, of course.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The video would have been property of the Casino which is a corporation. If someone made a copy with their cell phone without permission it would be considered theft. They have no right to sell what is not theirs.

Thank you.

That's a good point: however, rules at a casino (like almost every public space in our country are simple): You can take as many photos, videos, sound recordings, etc. as you please). Even security employees (subjected to disclosure S.O.P. rules) can allow video recordings of a surveillance tape before charges are officially set.

 

Who cares to answer the other question before the game starts? I would appreciate it.

[PurpleCorsair]

2 Questions -

 

2 - If the NFL has 'the cream of the crop legal team' employed by them, why didn't they (their attorneys) advise the NFL not to even attempt to contact anyone requesting the video tape? Knowing that it's against the law?

These laws likely vary by legal precinct so the NFL legal office was simply exercising due diligence in asking for any and all available evidence.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

These laws likely vary by legal precinct so the NFL legal office was simply exercising due diligence in asking for any and all available evidence.

Outstanding answer. This being said, the NFL's legal team (absolute all-star lineup - the best of the best) are proven professional experts covering ever jurisdiction in which a NFL team plays and/or might play-in in the US as well as overseas. They are not the JV squad. This was a calculated/planned/strategy advisement, but for what reason. I don't know.

 

Thanks for answering, though. It was getting pretty quiet in here.

[PurpleCorsair]

Outstanding answer. This being said, the NFL's legal team (absolute all-star lineup - the best of the best) are proven professional experts covering ever jurisdiction in which a NFL team plays and/or might play-in in the US as well as overseas. They are not the JV squad. This was a calculated/planned/strategy advisement, but for what reason. I don't know.

 

Thanks for answering, though. It was getting pretty quiet in here.

The better question would be: Why is the press pushing so hard for this when the NFL knows and the NJ attorney general said it would have been illegal to distribute the video?

[cobrajet]

It was actually refreshing that Mr. Biscotti was so honest about mistakes made. Ozzie admitted that Ray told them the truth. They could have lied to make themselves look better, but they chose to be honest. It is looking like the Goodell could be doing the opposite. I always believed that if you really screw up it is better to tell the truth and fall on your sword than lie about it and make it worse. Learn from your mistake, try to fix what you can, and do better in the future. If you have to say you are sorry, you say you are are sorry. Some will forgive and others will not, but you still have to say it. I can now still stand behind my team. Go Ravens!

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The better question would be: Why is the press pushing so hard for this when the NFL knows and the NJ attorney general said it would have been illegal to distribute the video?

Words phrased correctly give no answer and support plausible denial-ability.

 

In your question 'the' is the key word. Remember, the 1st video tape was merely a grainy copy of the 'high' def official video withheld in evidence. 'The' video that they are referring to in their statement is the official video; not 'the' copy. If a real law had been broken by TMZ or the AP they would have been indited as soon as they released the video and pressured by the court to give-up their source. Most likely, they wouldn't, but the law (if in fact it was in violation) was compromised.

 

It apparently was not. So, why did the NFL attorneys advise them to take actions to obtain the video which would knowingly go nowhere?

 

Your play.

[rayrayven]

Now the media circus has Nicole Brown Simpson's family chiming in and saying Ray Rice is just like OJ

 

Nicole Brown Simpson’s sister compares Ray Rice beating to OJ Simpson murder case: 'He could kill her'

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nicole-brown-simpson-sister-ray-rice-abuse-turn-deadly-article-1.1937012

 

 

Media is also making Mrs Rice out to be  mentally ill - a psychotic suffering from "Stockholm syndrome"

 

 

The hysterical overkill on this case is incredible. There was a bad fight between a couple. Ray made a lifetime slip up and got violent with one hit that didn't even leave a bruise. But now Ray is "Little OJ" just one slip up from murder.

 

Dr Ben Carson has a better take

 

"Dr. Ben Carson: Sometimes It’s OK To Stay After Domestic Violence"

http://time.com/3318588/stay-domestic-violence/

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Now the media circus has Nicole Brown Simpson's family chiming in and saying Ray Rice is just like OJ

 

Nicole Brown Simpson’s sister compares Ray Rice beating to OJ Simpson murder case: 'He could kill her'

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nicole-brown-simpson-sister-ray-rice-abuse-turn-deadly-article-1.1937012

 

 

Media is also making Mrs Rice out to be  mentally ill - a psychotic suffering from "Stockholm syndrome"

 

 

The hysterical overkill on this case is incredible. There was a bad fight between a couple. Ray made a lifetime slip up and got violent with one hit that didn't even leave a bruise. But now Ray is "Little OJ" just one slip up from murder.

 

Dr Ben Carson has a better take

 

"Dr. Ben Carson: Sometimes It’s OK To Stay After Domestic Violence"

http://time.com/3318588/stay-domestic-violence/

I would love to chime in on that juicy tidbit, but I'm trying to stay true to the facts of this case and 'investigation'. Interesting post though.

[PurpleCorsair]

Words phrased correctly give no answer and support plausible denial-ability.

 

In your question 'the' is the key word. Remember, the 1st video tape was merely a grainy copy of the 'high' def official video withheld in evidence. 'The' video that they are referring to in their statement is the official video; not 'the' copy. If a real law had been broken by TMZ or the AP they would have been indited as soon as they released the video and pressured by the court to give-up their source. Most likely, they wouldn't, but the law (if in fact it was in violation) was compromised.

 

It apparently was not. So, why did the NFL attorneys advise them to take actions to obtain the video which would knowingly go nowhere?

 

Your play.

TMZ has the raw, unedited footage somewhere. It's extremely unlikely that they got a pre-edited version of the video from their source and the slapped a TMZ watermark all over it. Also as someone stated before, TMZ is protected by freedom of the press laws. Their source, if he is ever found, however, would not be.

[52520Andrew]

I don't feel like reading all of that so I will just plus it since K-Dog told me to

[Bravens292]

Now the media circus has Nicole Brown Simpson's family chiming in and saying Ray Rice is just like OJ

 

Nicole Brown Simpson’s sister compares Ray Rice beating to OJ Simpson murder case: 'He could kill her'

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nicole-brown-simpson-sister-ray-rice-abuse-turn-deadly-article-1.1937012

 

 

Media is also making Mrs Rice out to be  mentally ill - a psychotic suffering from "Stockholm syndrome"

 

 

The hysterical overkill on this case is incredible. There was a bad fight between a couple. Ray made a lifetime slip up and got violent with one hit that didn't even leave a bruise. But now Ray is "Little OJ" just one slip up from murder.

 

Dr Ben Carson has a better take

 

"Dr. Ben Carson: Sometimes It’s OK To Stay After Domestic Violence"

http://time.com/3318588/stay-domestic-violence/

 

Its terrible what Ray did but its also sad that people like them and jane mcmanus can take this way too far. All the sudden there is no difference between domestic violence and murder. in that case, give rice life in prison while you're at it ! so stupid these people....I can't wait until Greg Hardy finally becomes the subject of the debate and people learn the even more disturbing details of his case.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

TMZ has the raw, unedited footage somewhere. It's extremely unlikely that they got a pre-edited version of the video from their source and the slapped a TMZ watermark all over it. Also as someone stated before, TMZ is protected by freedom of the press laws. Their source, if he is ever found, however, would not be.

True there's freedom of the press and protection of sources; however, it would not apply when a law has been broken. At that point you would only have the freedom to protect your source, but you would still be indited. Apparently, no laws were broken.

 

This is not a fact, but a possible reason based on facts: The NFL law team advised their company to take these actions in order to have official, unchallengeable documentation for future record just in case they are questioned about seeing the actual video. Most likely, someone or persons did actually receive and view the copy of the original video that was sent to their office. I do not think Goddell viewed it (I agree and trust what our owner says there). That being said, a good legal team would take measures at that point to protect possible lawsuits against the NFL if anybody actually viewed this alleged copy

(i.e. - Chasing down a video in evidence that you already know is illegal to obtain.)

[Rinbee]

Thank you for a great post.  The necessary length is indicative of a huge problem when dealing with human beings -- the most irrational creatures on earth.  no one wants to take the time to get the facts straight.  A case in point, how many people are stilll calling Ray Lewis a miurderer?  People, ESPECIALLY the media, want to thrive on knee jerk reactions and Twitter like sound bits.  Teh Ravens do not owe anyone an explanation.  They are like any business in America -- they are free to deal with employee behavior as they see fit. They are not an arm of the judicial system.  If they want to stand by Ray Rice and try to help him and Janay get through this situation, they should be allowed to without harassment.  Rays derves a chance to make amends and turn his life around, but that was taken away from him, the Ravens and the NFL by media (who can and will act above the law) and misinformed, right brain driven emotional reactions of the public.  What Ray did was horrible and derves punnishment, but not a public lynching.  Ray Lewis weathered adversity, the Ravens stood by him and he became a great example of an excellent football player and humanitarian (although a bit too preachy at times).  Michael Vick was allowed to make ammends for another horrific action.  It's a share Ray Rice will probably never get the same chance.  If everyone had stopped for 10 minutes and looked at the whole situation RATIONALLY, not EMOTIONALLY, there would have been much less turmoil and a family may have been allowed to own up to their problems, which they have, and correct them. 

[ravens533]

There are a few more facts that the media keeps overlooking. The Ravens had no right under the CBA to suspend or fine Ray Rice. After the NFL handed out their punishment, the Ravens could only terminate his contract. Now going back to the fact that the Ravens organization is a business and they had already heard from Ray and Janay and the NFL, why would a business based on those facts willfully put themselves in a bind (though not much of one) by paying for unproductive returns? They openly said all the way through that they supported the player but condone the action. Given the facts that were presented to them, what more was it reasonable to expect them to do? They only did that when they received evidence that made it apparent that things were not quite what they thought. In order to protect their organization they took the only option open to them and will lose a bunch of money in the process. No business considers millions of dollars chump change. To me that says that we root for a team whose organization took the high road all the way around.

Now for the media: They are not writing stories or giving commentaries to expand or clarify facts. This whole circus of media can not in any form consider themselves to be journalist or news reporters of any nature. An example of how much they want to keep this "story" going was clear last night on PFT. The Ravens had just pulled off a very commanding victory and beat their rivals in what the media clamed was a game the Ravens could not win. The story of the Ravens win was buried 7 stories down the page. The lead story at the top of the page, it had headlines talking about what the Ravens FO said on Tuesday.

[edthehead]

I refuse to read a post that big. No. Sorry

Good on ya though for getting those feeling out.

 

 

Waiting for cliff notes...

but +1 for putting in the work

   ,,,,      too funny