Arthur Brown Trade Rumors

[Challenge Accepted]

I wouldnt mind if it was for Dwayne Gratz, Robert Alford, David Amerson, Micah Hyde.

[GrimCoconut]

1. I didn't bring up the salary cap situation... you did. You did that when you said they could make Daryl a post June 1 cut next offseason, in which I tried to explain why that wouldn't be a good idea for the franchise, considering you referenced how we would take dead money in future years. As I explained, with a lot of our big contracts projected to increase in the future, its not wise to be pushing dead money down the line, nor do I think that's a real option for the Ravens. I don't recall us doing that very often in the past outside of rare situations (aka Ray RIce).

2. I don't see us keeping Daryl for four years either, but if he stays for 2 (which I think he will), that means he's here through 2015, meaning the first opportunity Brown has to start is 2016, the final year of his contract. That's my entire point... I don't see him being a starter for two more seasons at the very least.

I think I'm talking in circles with you. I mentioned we could save money, yes, but you're the one who brought up salary cap figures in future years and how cutting Smith isn't a good idea because of future cap restraints. Look, cutting Smith and making him a June first cut won't have that much of an impact on the salary cap. We're not talking that much dead money.

I'm not sure, but I think this could be the final year for Smith here if Brown can unseat him. That's his challenge and his job.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

We also have to keep in mind the cap hit from cutting Rice, unless the league gives us some relief (not freakin likely)

[edthehead]

what is the deadline for trades,,,, 

[GrimCoconut]

what is the deadline for trades,,,,

I want to say week 8. That's what I recall since they extended it.

[jdynamite]

Art brown inactive again. Is this kid hurt or in the doghouse.

It's great that Mosely is playing well. But brown at least could get some ST reps, occasional nickel situation something. never going to develop on the bench.

[GrimCoconut]

Art brown inactive again. Is this kid hurt or in the doghouse.

It's great that Mosely is playing well. But brown at least could get some ST reps, occasional nickel situation something. never going to develop on the bench.

Yeah, I don't know. I just expect him to be a weekly inactive at this point. 

[Gordo52]

Makes sense for him to be active next week against the Panthers. Hopefully he is.

I wish we could freaking get some answers

[uhhhh]

Art brown inactive again. Is this kid hurt or in the doghouse.

It's great that Mosely is playing well. But brown at least could get some ST reps, occasional nickel situation something. never going to develop on the bench.

 

Probably hasn't any ST value. Didn't they do the same thing with Kruger his first two years?

[GrimCoconut]

Makes sense for him to be active next week against the Panthers. Hopefully he is.

I wish we could freaking get some answers

Instead of Matt Elam, I'd rather have Arthur Brown in there as a third ILB. He would at least be able to cover a TE. Elam looks at a guy and hopes that's enough for a tackle. SMH. 

[Fries]

Instead of Matt Elam, I'd rather have Arthur Brown in there as a third ILB. He would at least be able to cover a TE. Elam looks at a guy and hopes that's enough for a tackle. SMH.

I couldnt agree more.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Do we trade Arthur Brown for a vet TE or do we go with Daniels, Gilmore and Supernaw/Overbay?

Juszczyk is more of a FB/H-Back so I don't know if he could be considered as a #2 or #3 TE.

[Bltravens]

Do we trade Arthur Brown for a vet TE or do we go with Daniels, Gilmore and Supernaw/Overbay?

Juszczyk is more of a FB/H-Back so I don't know if he could be considered as a #2 or #3 TE.

We won't trade him for a TE.  We can roll with Daniels, Juice and Crockett.

[GrimCoconut]

Do we trade Arthur Brown for a vet TE or do we go with Daniels, Gilmore and Supernaw/Overbay?

Juszczyk is more of a FB/H-Back so I don't know if he could be considered as a #2 or #3 TE.

I hope not. The defense hasn't been great at all. I think we can survive without another TE but I'm not sure LB. We've been snake-bit hard on defense. 

[jdynamite]

Probably hasn't any ST value. Didn't they do the same thing with Kruger his first two years?

Kruger first 2 years he had no special teams value. And he was flip-flopping positions each year. OLB then DE ( bulked up), then had to lose weight go back to OLB.

Art Brown reminds me of when we had T.Gooden, Ellerbe and McClain all splitting reps weekly. One week one is deactivated other two play. ( until gooden weeded himself out with too many injuries,) but the team continued to rotate McClain and Ellerbe causing Ellerbe to not fully develop until time for a new contract.

[Blackbirds Rule]

Instead of Matt Elam, I'd rather have Arthur Brown in there as a third ILB. He would at least be able to cover a TE. Elam looks at a guy and hopes that's enough for a tackle. SMH. 

My dad said a similar thing when we were watching the game. He was like I don't know about Elam I'm not sold yet. IMO he can't cover and can't sure tackle unless it's at the LOS. Anytime he's in space covering with a TE or WR streaking he never makes a play on the ball or makes a hit to knock the ball out. I wouldn't be surprised if when Hill gets reinstated you see Stewart and Hill on the field together and Elam on the sidelines more. Who knows we may start to see Brooks get introduced little by little.

 

Webb might need to be put on IR let him have his surgery and try again next year. Either that or the IR where he can come back later on in the year. Let us get another DB in here. Chykie is playing slightly better but he still doesn't get his head around to watch the ball and we're going to need another DB or two that can do that. Jimmy and Asa do but that's it who do and can.

[pep_meister]

People are putting too much stock into all of this. Patience with young player development is gone in the NFL. Daryl is obviously a stop gap. He has shown that he is not a top tier LB anymore with his lack of ability against the run.

 

Brown will get his chance to contribute to this team. Just because he has had limited time does not mean he is necessarily a bust. It simply means the team thinks he needs to develop more. Look at Wagner last year to this year, look at Jimmy's first couple years, etc. This is how football used to be and honestly, should be - so be patient people. Do not read too much into all of this, but also do not anoint him the next big thing just yet.

 

As for him not being active for the last two games; this is simply a numbers issue. You are only allowed a certain number of players on game day. You want to fill this roster with those that can contribute, not those who will ride the bench. If Brown were active, he would simply be watching Mosley and Smith play and taking a spot from guys like Orr, Levine, Miles, Trawick; who are less talented from a base defense standpoint, but have a necessity from a ST standpoint.

the difference is they got playing time. jimmy was thrown into the fire and i think that made him who he is now. arthur brown is not developing on the sideline. I mean even to get him in during clean up duty say vs the steelers in the 4th quarter.

[The Raven]

If Arthur Brown isn't active and covering Greg Olsen next week, I'll finally turn to the dark side and call for Pees' head. 

[Drew P]

I couldnt agree more.

 

hell, Brooks was inactive as well i think he could oust Elam at this point

[rmcjacket23]

If Arthur Brown isn't active and covering Greg Olsen next week, I'll finally turn to the dark side and call for Pees' head. 

That's most likely not Pees decision to begin with, and even if he's active, there's no way he's going to go from being inactive to playing half the snaps in one week without an injury.

If he's active, he's a backup to two MLBs who rarely if ever come off the field. Mosley and Smith had played 100% of snaps through the first two weeks, and nothing has transpired to indicate that should or will change anytime soon.

[redlobster]

I am patiently waiting for PFF to release Daryl Smith's grade from yesterday. Maybe it was just me but he looked terrible again.

[1/28/01]

If Arthur Brown isn't active and covering Greg Olsen next week, I'll finally turn to the dark side and call for Pees' head.

Not happening. As stated, you don't go from not playing AT ALL to covering one of the opposing teams top targets. You know this, though.

[arnie_uk]

I am patiently waiting for PFF to release Daryl Smith's grade from yesterday. Maybe it was just me but he looked terrible again.

he's been terrible all three games thus far

[balfan23]

His consistent absence is concerning. A guy we traded up for in the 2nd round should be a starter for us by year 2 or should at least be providing some value. Not sure how he's going to improve if he's consistently inactive. D. Smith is not our future, but if Brown never plays, I don't know how he fits into our future either. We have LOTS of needs going forward... if we draft another ILB in the name of BPA next year, I'll be less than happy. 

[wademan2636]

I am patiently waiting for PFF to release Daryl Smith's grade from yesterday. Maybe it was just me but he looked terrible again.

they already did (the initial grade at least, cuz they don't put out final grades until mid-week).  smith was -0.4 and mosley was +1.3.  and mosley could have been +2.2, but he got his grade heavily damaged by the penalty.

[The Raven]

Not happening. As stated, you don't go from not playing AT ALL to covering one of the opposing teams top targets. You know this, though.

 

I know, but I just don't have any faith in Elam's or Daryl Smith's ability to cover Olsen. I feel like Brown is the perfect match up for Olsen.

[tolucaraven]

Webb was held out against Cinci because of game-speed conditioning issues, not injury. It was a coaches decision.

This is Raven injury news BS, his back is the problem. Don't beleive what you hear only what you see.

[Static]

Can we stop pretending like Arthur Brown will step on the field and suddenly be a probowl talent? Mosley is miles ahead of him and Mosley is still making mistakes in pass cov. 

 

Two first year starting MLBs don't sit right with me.

[LEGEN-wait for it-DARY]

That's most likely not Pees decision to begin with, and even if he's active, there's no way he's going to go from being inactive to playing half the snaps in one week without an injury.

If he's active, he's a backup to two MLBs who rarely if ever come off the field. Mosley and Smith had played 100% of snaps through the first two weeks, and nothing has transpired to indicate that should or will change anytime soon.

 

We could have all three of them on the field at the same time if we went 4-3. I'm not even saying to change our defense from the 3-4, just to mix in some 4-3 looks. Pees is way to vanilla and close-minded for that though.

[acranfor]

the difference is they got playing time. jimmy was thrown into the fire and i think that made him who he is now. arthur brown is not developing on the sideline. I mean even to get him in during clean up duty say vs the steelers in the 4th quarter

Not believing you can develop in practice is very ignorant.

 

I personally played a sport at both the D1 collegiate level and professional level, albeit not Football. But from a personal standpoint I have gone through the "thrown into the fire approach" freshman year of college and the developmental approach through practice at the professional level. I was ready to be thrown into the fire and develop that way in college, but was not ready to do this at the professional level. I truly believe being thrown into the fire at the professional level would have actually hindered my development.

 

Now back to Brown; if he is not ready to be thrown to the fire, then he should not. To be on the field and continuously fail can really hinder ones development - and confidence. The coaches obviously believe he will fail more than he will succeed and is simply not ready. I am not sure why people here think there is some conspiracy going on.

 

As for Elam, I will not argue that he had a terrible game on Sunday. However, he is still playing Free Safety. I will hold my judgement until he is playing primarily Strong Safety responsibilities. Again, I am not creating an excuse - he obviously needs to play much much better. But to call him a bust (or really any player a bust) after 3 games is laughable. Baltimorons at their finest.