Arthur Brown Trade Rumors

[rmcjacket23]

I dont know him personally to make those claims but looking at the Ravens secondary i'd say he can fit right in

Well, the Cowboys have a worse secondary than us, and he doesn't fit right in there.

 

I'd rather have Chykie Brown personally.

[Inqui]

And besides, storming out of the office when things don't go your way is pretty unprofessional - even if Jerruh threw the first stone. Say what you will, but at least Chykie or Asa never did that.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

With the poor play by Elam, I would love to see Arthur play strong safety. He has the speed and ability. Why not?

[BmoreBird22]

Play? Maybe play well? Doubtful... He's a crybaby and a quiter...Not sure he's smart enough to learn a new system just like that ... 4 .. That's all I gotta say!

No real correlation to football IQ. Just look at Frank Gore

[The Raven]

No real correlation to football IQ. Just look at Frank Gore

 

Frank Gore is a running back, aka the position where you could put a brain dead chimpanzee at and it would hardly make a difference. 

[BmoreBird22]

Frank Gore is a running back, aka the position where you could put a brain dead chimpanzee at and it would hardly make a difference. 

It's just the first one I could think of because I was too lazy to look any up. Pretty sure Vince Young scored like a six or something ridiculously low. And for what it's worth, Blaine Gabbert scored a 42 and Fitzpatrick got a 48

[1/28/01]

With the poor play by Elam, I would love to see Arthur play strong safety. He has the speed and ability. Why not?

Elam has been playing FS.

[omar586]

would Arthur brown for Morris Claiborne be a possibility ?

chykie brown for claiborne might b possible, 

[1/28/01]

chykie brown for claiborne might b possible,

You are joking, right?

[omar586]

You are joking, right?

both of them suck for their perspective teams

[GrimCoconut]

chykie brown for claiborne might b possible, 

 

 

You are joking, right?

Lol. I certainly hope so.

[1/28/01]

both of them suck for their perspective teams

Respective, but no.

[Drew P]

Well, the Cowboys have a worse secondary than us, and he doesn't fit right in there.

 

I'd rather have Chykie Brown personally.

 

Im not sure its not worth debating but their front 7 is abysmal so they have to cover guys a bit better than the Ravens do..Just saying all the workouts the Ravens are having with street CB's they know there is an issue and doing it on the cheap is only going to get them what they are paying for..

[H8R]

No real correlation to football IQ. Just look at Frank Gore

 

 

Ok, lets look at his life choices then... CB and RB... no correlation in inteligence needed to play each position.

[BmoreBird22]

Ok, lets look at his life choices then... CB and RB... no correlation in inteligence needed to play each position.

If it helps any, Blaine Gabbert got a 42, which was the highest among starting quarterbacks at the time that he started. Now Fitzpatrick currently has the highest. I don't see either of them lighting it up

[rmcjacket23]

Im not sure its not worth debating but their front 7 is abysmal so they have to cover guys a bit better than the Ravens do..Just saying all the workouts the Ravens are having with street CB's they know there is an issue and doing it on the cheap is only going to get them what they are paying for..

True, but getting Claiborne would be on the cheap also, which means they're still getting what they pay for.

 

I don't see a scenario where he ends up in Baltimore (nor do I think the franchise is even looking at him), so the whole argument is moot.

[Drew P]

True, but getting Claiborne would be on the cheap also, which means they're still getting what they pay for.

 

I don't see a scenario where he ends up in Baltimore (nor do I think the franchise is even looking at him), so the whole argument is moot.

 

Point is im sure they have inquired, Dallas is a prior trading partner AND if they are looking at PS players im certain they have looked at players on the active rosters prior to scraping bottom..

[rmcjacket23]

Point is im sure they have inquired, Dallas is a prior trading partner AND if they are looking at PS players im certain they have looked at players on the active rosters prior to scraping bottom..

I doubt it. That implies that 1. The Ravens are in the trade market for a corner (which I've seen no indication they are) and most importantly 2. that they even think Claiborne is a player they want or even think is better than what we already have.

 

As far as I can tell, its 100% fans that are driving this concept. We did the exact same thing when Alex Mack was transition tagged. Fans drove the bus thinking that it was ever a realistic shot that we would get him.

[BmoreBird22]

I doubt it. That implies that 1. The Ravens are in the trade market for a corner (which I've seen no indication they are) and most importantly 2. that they even think Claiborne is a player they want or even think is better than what we already have.

 

As far as I can tell, its 100% fans that are driving this concept. We did the exact same thing when Alex Mack was transition tagged. Fans drove the bus thinking that it was ever a realistic shot that we would get him.

There were actually open reports that Mack was the backup plan to Monroe, for what it's worth

[rmcjacket23]

There were actually open reports that Mack was the backup plan to Monroe, for what it's worth

True, except the major caveat that for some reason Ravens fans failed to acknowledge was that the Browns had 1000% control over the situation.

There simply wasn't a reasonable contract that the Ravens could put together that the Browns would say "sure divisional rival, take one of our best player". They had the money, and they knew it. The transition tag was a strategic move by the Browns that all but guaranteed they would retain him for another season and give them a full year to negotiate a long-term deal.

[BmoreBird22]

True, except the major caveat that for some reason Ravens fans failed to acknowledge was that the Browns had 1000% control over the situation.

There simply wasn't a reasonable contract that the Ravens could put together that the Browns would say "sure divisional rival, take one of our best player". They had the money, and they knew it. The transition tag was a strategic move by the Browns that all but guaranteed they would retain him for another season and give them a full year to negotiate a long-term deal.

The Jaguars actually did what I thought the Ravens would do by putting in a clause that said he could opt out after one year. Either that, or the Ravens would have made the second years salary way too high and force the Browns to cut him, since he wasn't too fond of staying in Cleveland from what it sounded like

[rmcjacket23]

The Jaguars actually did what I thought the Ravens would do by putting in a clause that said he could opt out after one year. Either that, or the Ravens would have made the second years salary way too high and force the Browns to cut him, since he wasn't too fond of staying in Cleveland from what it sounded like

Yes, but that doesn't work (as we saw). The transition tag is a one year deal anyway, so Mack already basically has the opt-out clause.

Secondly, making an extremely high second year salary wouldn't work for two reasons...

1. The Browns have enormous amounts of money. They spend $20-$30M under the salary cap on an annual basis.

2. IF the Browns declined the offer and let the Ravens have him, then the Ravens would have been on the hook for that gigantic second year salary, one that they clearly couldn't afford (or at least not without releasing a large amount of players).

 

That's the problem with those contracts... the Ravens can't structure one that the Ravens can't afford, because IF the Browns called their bluff, then the Ravens were stuck with it. The Jags could afford to do it, because they, like the Browns, spend closer to the salary floor than they do the salary cap. If they had made his year 2 salary in the 8 figure range, the Jags can afford that hit. The Ravens certainly can't.

 

That, of course is moot, because the Browns were always going to be in a better financial position than the Ravens in 2015 regardless.

[BmoreBird22]

Yes, but that doesn't work (as we saw). The transition tag is a one year deal anyway, so Mack already basically has the opt-out clause.

Secondly, making an extremely high second year salary wouldn't work for two reasons...

1. The Browns have enormous amounts of money. They spend $20-$30M under the salary cap on an annual basis.

2. IF the Browns declined the offer and let the Ravens have him, then the Ravens would have been on the hook for that gigantic second year salary, one that they clearly couldn't afford (or at least not without releasing a large amount of players).

 

That's the problem with those contracts... the Ravens can't structure one that the Ravens can't afford, because IF the Browns called their bluff, then the Ravens were stuck with it. The Jags could afford to do it, because they, like the Browns, spend closer to the salary floor than they do the salary cap. If they had made his year 2 salary in the 8 figure range, the Jags can afford that hit. The Ravens certainly can't.

 

That, of course is moot, because the Browns were always going to be in a better financial position than the Ravens in 2015 regardless.

You add in the opt out clause to an offer sheet just in case the Browns don't accept the contract, and there's always the chance the Browns could have negotiated a longterm contract with just the transition tag. This way, there's a huge chance he hits the open market next year, or at least more than if he just had the transition tag.

I am 100% sure that if the plan were to make his contract absurdly large with his new team, they would have informed he would have to take a pay cut and let him know what the new contract would look like. You're acting like you can't restructure or take pay cuts. Joe is going to have to with his eight figure cap hit approaching and exceeding $30 million in the final three years.

I know what you're going to say, the Browns could just restructure, but that would require Mack to want to. This is the exact same method as the opt out clause, except this way, you can screw a team over if they want to keep him

[rmcjacket23]

You add in the opt out clause to an offer sheet just in case the Browns don't accept the contract, and there's always the chance the Browns could have negotiated a longterm contract with just the transition tag. This way, there's a huge chance he hits the open market next year, or at least more than if he just had the transition tag.

I am 100% sure that if the plan were to make his contract absurdly large with his new team, they would have informed he would have to take a pay cut and let him know what the new contract would look like. You're acting like you can't restructure or take pay cuts. Joe is going to have to with his eight figure cap hit approaching and exceeding $30 million in the final three years.

I know what you're going to say, the Browns could just restructure, but that would require Mack to want to. This is the exact same method as the opt out clause, except this way, you can screw a team over if they want to keep him

You're kind of arguing against yourself on this one...

 

First you say that if the plan were to sign him to an extremely large contract, the new team would ask him to take a paycut. Then, you say Mack has to want to do that. So why would he want to do that for a new team? Just to be a nice guy?

 

If the Ravens put the contract you thought the Jags would out there, and made his year 2 salary like $15M. You're saying that the Ravens, after his first year, would then ask him to take a paycut? So why on Earth would Alex Mack say yes? The answer is... he wouldn't. He'd tell the Ravens to pay him or cut him, in which case he goes on the open market in year 2 and gets a REAL contract from a REAL team. He knows this, and so does his agent.

 

And by the way... its not realistic, at least right now, to think Joe is going to take a paycut. What he is likely to do is take an extension (perhaps for less, but probably not for a lot less). The Ravens will probably take a bunch of his non-guaranteed money in the last three years, convert some of it into a signing bonus, and tack another 2-3 years or maybe longer onto his deal, which will help spread the cap number out. Until at least year 5 of his deal, Flacco knows the Ravens aren't going to cut him.

 

The perception that players take pay cuts often isn't realistic. Taking a paycut just to be a nice guy is extremely rare, and most of the people that do it (like Brady) do it because they've already had several large contracts. Players take pay cuts when the team has the leverage... i.e. when the players contract is not-guaranteed, when the market for his services would be soft, and when the player knows that taking a paycut will guarantee him a spot on the roster.

 

Guys like Alex Mack and Joe Flacco are in a prime position. They know what they could fetch on the open market, and they are exceptionally unlikely to take significant pay cuts unless there is a significant incentive to do so.

[H8R]

If it helps any, Blaine Gabbert got a 42, which was the highest among starting quarterbacks at the time that he started. Now Fitzpatrick currently has the highest. I don't see either of them lighting it up

 

You're missing the point... Claibourne is and idiot... and isnt a good player, and hes childish.

[Drew P]

I doubt it. That implies that 1. The Ravens are in the trade market for a corner (which I've seen no indication they are) and most importantly 2. that they even think Claiborne is a player they want or even think is better than what we already have.

 

As far as I can tell, its 100% fans that are driving this concept. We did the exact same thing when Alex Mack was transition tagged. Fans drove the bus thinking that it was ever a realistic shot that we would get him.

i just look at the big picture and have been spot on with their decisions most recently regarding Hurst making the final 53 and playing at some point when everyone was saying no way in hell this guy sniffs the roster...just saying

[rmcjacket23]

i just look at the big picture and have been spot on with their decisions most recently regarding Hurst making the final 53 and playing at some point when everyone was saying no way in hell this guy sniffs the roster...just saying

So, let me get this straight...

 

Because you were correct in predicting that, after they already signed Hurst, that he would make the roster and become the backup LT (something thousands of people predicted... not sure where you think nobody predicted that), all of the sudden you are confident that the Ravens will now trade for Morris Claiborne?

 

Yeesh... that's an incredibly large stretch.

 

I predicted Hurst would make the roster on my final roster challenge submission, and he did. I'm also predicting that Morris Claiborne won't be a Raven this season. Aren't my credentials just as good?

[BmoreBird22]

You're missing the point... Claibourne is and idiot... and isnt a good player, and hes childish.

I'm just saying the Wonderlic, which essentially measures how quickly you can do petty math and word problems, doesn't have a correlation to how you do in the NFL. Now, I don't think he's an idiot, but he certainly was childish and hasn't lived up to expectations

[Drew P]

So, let me get this straight...

 

Because you were correct in predicting that, after they already signed Hurst, that he would make the roster and become the backup LT (something thousands of people predicted... not sure where you think nobody predicted that), all of the sudden you are confident that the Ravens will now trade for Morris Claiborne?

 

Yeesh... that's an incredibly large stretch.

 

I predicted Hurst would make the roster on my final roster challenge submission, and he did. I'm also predicting that Morris Claiborne won't be a Raven this season. Aren't my credentials just as good?

 

 

Pay attention closely and learn: I stated they have inquired about Claiborne at some point.

[rmcjacket23]

Pay attention closely and learn: I stated they have inquired about Claiborne at some point.

So, again, let me get this straight...

 

Because you did what a lot of people did and predicted Hurst would make this team, you are now certain that the team has inquired about Claiborne.

 

Well, again, I predicted that Hurst would make the roster, and I don't think the team has inquired about Claiborne.

 

Again, exact same credentials. Opinions are not facts.