Official Vent Thread: Who to cut, Who Played Well, Who is in the Dog House?

[Florida Ravens Fan]

They are better special teamers. I still think Arhur Brown can be useful than both those guys especially on defense  but Harbaugh values special team alot and if you can't perform well on special teams then you not going to play especially  if you a back up player.

You mean the special teams that sucked yesterday? Although Jacoby is much to blame for that.

[BSHU_Miami]

Boy, I would've love to see Arthur brown cover some of those screens yesterday.

[jazz1988]

You mean the special teams that sucked yesterday? Although Jacoby is much to blame for that.

 

 

Nothing is ever perfect with a team  and it was our first game of the season. Harbaugh for some reason doesn't feel like Brown is ready to see playing time at this moment and it's most likely because at this moment the other linebackers are more impressive as special teamers.

[HarleypsychRN]

Disgusting effort...if they played the first half like they played the second half they would have won easily. Pierce is not the runner he was his rookie year; and Chykie Brown 1-on-1 with AJ Green... you gotta be kidding me.Who could have predicted how that was gonna turn out?

 

I guess I have to change my profile picture now that RR is persona non grata.

[bobbytansi]

the offence was BS. We lost the manta. The defines tried their best and didn't let a touchdown in the first half. After the ravens took the lead they unfortunately let it go. Its a shame we need the ravens back.

[RaineV1]

The one good thing that could come out of that Bengals game is that it seems like sometimes the Ravens need a slap in the face to really get going. Look at their superbowl run, it started because the Redskins embarrassed them. Maybe this will be what sets a fire under their asses and gets them really going.

[Gtown Purple]

I'll say this again. The fact that we played so poorly and were a play or 2 away from winning should be a bright spot.

[arnie_uk]

Boy, I would've love to see Arthur brown cover some of those screens yesterday.

that's the kind of play he excels at. He would have been well suited to that gane on Sunday

[Drew P]

that's the kind of play he excels at. He would have been well suited to that gane on Sunday

 

Its obviously not a question of talent..he's in coach Hardheads dog house you know the one he says doesn't exist but the players in it are suddenly jettisoned off...

[arnie_uk]

Its obviously not a question of talent..he's in coach Hardheads dog house you know the one he says doesn't exist but the players in it suddenly become expendable...

maybe, maybe not. Could be awful at practice

[acranfor]

Wanted to get my thoughts on 'paper' from the season opener:

 

Offense:

Overall, the offense was effective enough for us to win this game; BUT we did not execute when needed.

 

Flacco threw the INT in the Kubiak "bailout-come-back-zone" that was so prevalent from Schaub last year. It was a late throw. Directly cost the team at least 3 points. Flacco also had a miscue with Pitta on 3rd down that could have extended a drive into the redzone. Pitta stopped his route in the hole in the zone, Flacco threw as if he was to keep running. Crucial play there. They need to be on the same page. In addition, the overload blitz on the last play should have been pointed out and adjusted by Flacco. The last one that stood out was obviously the clock management issue at the end of the 1st half. We need to at least get 3 there. Another 3 left on the field. Other than those crucial plays (in my mind), Flacco actually played okay. He moved the ball effectively in the second half, and would have had more extended drives if not for 9 dropped passes. I find it funny that people make these ambiguous arguments that they are "losing confidence in Flacco" or that "he needs to go!" Would I like any of the top QBs in the league ahead of Flacco? Of course, but we have not been in a position to get any of them. Please actually think before you comment or at least include a solution to Flacco - I would love to hear them??? Not going anymore into the Flacco debate. It has been beat dead since 2008 by the Baltimorons.

 

WRs/TEs need to execute. That is all that needs to be said. I did not see a major problem in them getting open. 9 Drops and miscue route running were the problems. Aiken could overtake Jacoby. Pitta and Daniels actually looked good.

 

RBs need to execute EARLY. I liked how Forsett played in the second half, but this is when we already switched to a forced pass-happy game plan. We need our RBs to execute from the 1st minute of the game. If anyone watched the game, we were running some power early on instead of zone. Pierce struggled with this. He did better when we started running more zone, but then fumbled. We stalled after this. Would love to see more zone exclusively and see more screen play. Also get Juice more involved.

 

OL actually graded out well according to PFF with the exception of Monroe. (http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/13076/highest-lowest-graded-ravens-by-pff-3) I think they protected Flacco well enough against a good Bengals Defense. Run game was good too. I do not remember any glaring miscues. Maybe helping Flacco make a call on the last play to pick up the overload blitz.

 

Defense:

DT/DE/OLB thought played great. They set the edge, stuffed up the interior, and did not allow many huge gains from a pure run. The lack of sacks have been talked about here, but if you watched the game, you would see the Bengals game planned the option, bubble screens, TE screens, & RB screens to prevent a pass rush. In addition, the Bengals have a good line. Liked what I saw overall.

 

ILBs did not play well. Some growing pains for Mosley, but more prevalent was how slow and ineffective Smith was. The ILBs lack of execution in sniffing out at least 4 screen plays on 3rd and long prolonged drives that 3 of which resulted in FGs. There needs to be more discipline here. Hope Brown is not traded and wins a starting role.

 

CBs/Ss had their struggles, hoping for Webb to get back. I will not get into the big play or Chykie. It has been talked about already. Chykie is a 4th stringer at best. Smith, Elam and Asa were bright spots. FS is still a need, Stewart is not the answer.

 

In summary, I used the word EXECUTE a lot. This was actually promising to me as it shows that the Ravens did not lose from a lack of talent. They lost because they did not execute. They played poorly, but are not a poor team. This still makes me optimistic. "Could of, would of, should of" - but if we did not leave at least 9 points on the field (Tucker miss, Flacco INT, End of Half Clock management) and/or at least stopped 2 of the 4 screens on 3rd and longs to end the Bengal scoring drives; the game would have been totally different.

 

Look, if you told me the Ravens would hold the Bengals (a top team - o & d) to 15 pts most of the game and that the Ravens O would rack up 435 total yards on offense; I would blindly tell you that that would be a Ravens win. Unfortunately lack of timely execution and mistakes prevented this.

 

Here is to hoping the team executes on Thursday. Go Ravens!!

[Drew P]

maybe, maybe not. Could be awful at practice

 

then they should have cut him prior to the final cut down if he is awful...

[BSHU_Miami]

I will say this...Good thing we didn't sign Monroe to a cap crippling deal.HE can't be average for us, he needs to be our best Lineman.

[GrimCoconut]

I will say this...Good thing we didn't sign Monroe to a cap crippling deal.HE can't be average for us, he needs to be our best Lineman.

Monroe can't be cut for I think another two years if I'm not mistaken. Going off memory here but yeah.

[acranfor]

I will say this...Good thing we didn't sign Monroe to a cap crippling deal.HE can't be average for us, he needs to be our best Lineman.

His pass blocking has been outstanding. His run blocking has been below average. In contrary, wagners run blocking has been outstanding and pass protection has been average.

[GrimCoconut]

His pass blocking has been outstanding. His run blocking has been below average. In contrary, wagners run blocking has been outstanding and pass protection has been average.

Sounds like your traditional LT and RT.

[izvoodoo]

I will say this...Good thing we didn't sign Monroe to a cap crippling deal.HE can't be average for us, he needs to be our best Lineman.

In Monroe's scheme this is like his 4th blocking scheme in 3 seasons.

[The Raven]

In Monroe's scheme this is like his 4th blocking scheme in 3 seasons.

 

He has no excuse for not being able to learn the simplest blocking scheme in football, especially one that's catered to his skill set. Moreover, the problem ISN'T that he doesn't get it. He's just struggling. He's not finishing blocks. He's not sealing the back side. He's not firing off the ball. Your point here would be justified if he was making mental mistakes, but he's not. He's just getting beat.

[GrimCoconut]

He has no excuse for not being able to learn the simplest blocking scheme in football, especially one that's catered to his skill set. Moreover, the problem ISN'T that he doesn't get it. He's just struggling. He's not finishing blocks. He's not sealing the back side. He's not firing off the ball. Your point here would be justified if he was making mental mistakes, but he's not. He's just getting beat.

Monroe isn't doing poor as a pass protector, and that is why we brought him here. I know the whole run-blocking aspect is important. We all want versatile OL that can do it all and that's why he got his deal. Considering that this is really his first game and he hasn't looked great all off-season it doesn't bode well; however, with that said, there's potential for improvement. Also, it's still early. I'm going to give him some time before I start saying he needs to pick it up, because so far, he hasn't yet cost us a game. I actually don't think Zuttah played particularly well, honestly. Going back and watching that game, I came away most impressed by KO. He did really well. Got to the second level, sealed away pass rushers, etc. Zuttah was rather iffy but he was way better than Gino and it was his first real game as a center for us so it's to be expect. I think this OL can be top-5 by the end of the year if Zuttah and Monroe fix their game. 

[Gtown Purple]

I thought the OL did well until the 2 sacks on the last drive. Both of which came from the right side.

[bmore187]

Chykie  Brown has no business playing in the NFL......Frank Walker 2.0 in the flesh

[omar586]

Chykie  Brown has no business playing in the NFL......Frank Walker 2.0 in the flesh

agree

[omar586]

its one game, 15 to go, calm down

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Chykie  Brown has no business playing in the NFL......Frank Walker 2.0 in the flesh

A Frank Walker call, real Raven fan here! Well put, much respect!!

[HoldingCall]

Chykie  Brown has no business playing in the NFL......Frank Walker 2.0 in the flesh

No! he is not as bad as Frank Walker, Chykie makes more plays than he blows. 

[RaineV1]

Chykie Brown is a good special teams player and I would be ok with him as the nickleback. But he's a liability on the outside.

[Static]

PFF said Flacco lost 110yrds do to drops. That would put at about 450.

[beanfigger]

Monroe isn't doing poor as a pass protector, and that is why we brought him here. I know the whole run-blocking aspect is important. We all want versatile OL that can do it all and that's why he got his deal. Considering that this is really his first game and he hasn't looked great all off-season it doesn't bode well; however, with that said, there's potential for improvement. Also, it's still early. I'm going to give him some time before I start saying he needs to pick it up, because so far, he hasn't yet cost us a game. I actually don't think Zuttah played particularly well, honestly. Going back and watching that game, I came away most impressed by KO. He did really well. Got to the second level, sealed away pass rushers, etc. Zuttah was rather iffy but he was way better than Gino and it was his first real game as a center for us so it's to be expect. I think this OL can be top-5 by the end of the year if Zuttah and Monroe fix their game. 

 

I think PFF graded Osemele as our best player on Sunday, if I'm not mistaken. I think Wagner and Zuttah were also in the top five. Monroe was in our bottom five players.

[Tank 92]

Monroe isn't doing poor as a pass protector, and that is why we brought him here. I know the whole run-blocking aspect is important. We all want versatile OL that can do it all and that's why he got his deal. Considering that this is really his first game and he hasn't looked great all off-season it doesn't bode well; however, with that said, there's potential for improvement. Also, it's still early. I'm going to give him some time before I start saying he needs to pick it up, because so far, he hasn't yet cost us a game. I actually don't think Zuttah played particularly well, honestly. Going back and watching that game, I came away most impressed by KO. He did really well. Got to the second level, sealed away pass rushers, etc. Zuttah was rather iffy but he was way better than Gino and it was his first real game as a center for us so it's to be expect. I think this OL can be top-5 by the end of the year if Zuttah and Monroe fix their game. 

 

 

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it Wagner that missed the call on the last sack? I just recall Yanda turning to his right looking for his block and running into Wagner and whoever he was blocking. 

[BmoreBird22]

His pass blocking has been outstanding. His run blocking has been below average. In contrary, wagners run blocking has been outstanding and pass protection has been average.

Monroe's poor grade was due to poor run blocking. He had the highest pass protection grade of any of the lineman, followed by KO, then Wagner