Official Vent Thread: Who to cut, Who Played Well, Who is in the Dog House?

[wayne]

That has to be an over reaction in the heat of the moment.

How is it a over reaction. You act as if games like the one played yesterday is far and few inbetween? This is the norm for the offense and when our offense has a good day everyone gets super excited but let our defense have a good day and it's just another day at the office and why is that? I think it's a fair assessement of our offense with the way Milli views them and for most people in America. When you think Ravens you think good defense and average to below average offense and the eye ball test and the stats backs that up.

[wayne]

Were so spoiled as far as defense goes. If we give up more than 20points than it was a bad showing lol.

Defense got no pressure on a top 5 O-line. Otherwise played great.

Exactly. Ravens teams of the past set the bar super high for the defense..... I understand that but it's time for that bar to be lower down to the average standards of other NFL teams...... To hold a team to 5 field goals and they get a TD in the 4th is great and I would take that any day of the week from a defense.

[TheWestCoastRaven]

Things could be worse. We could have Tony Romo who threw 3 INT in their home opener. At least we saw a glimpse of what the offense and Flacco are capable of in the second half. It can only get better from here if this is their worst performance. 

[Florida Ravens Fan]

We started the game with a personal foul and half the distance to the goal. Nice way to start the season. Then the receivers had the dropsies, Flacco couldn't get into Rhythm. We would all be having a different discussion if Jacoby ans Smith would of caught those balls.

[berad]

I wouldn't mind having one or two similar scrubs and punks.

 

With our 'legal issues' I do not. Last thing the Ravens need is more bad press or bad players.

[Gordo52]

How is it a over reaction. You act as if games like the one played yesterday is far and few inbetween? This is the norm for the offense and when our offense has a good day everyone gets super excited but let our defense have a good day and it's just another day at the office and why is that? I think it's a fair assessement of our offense with the way Milli views them and for most people in America. When you think Ravens you think good defense and average to below average offense and the eye ball test and the stats backs that up.

Having no trust or confidence in Joe is an over reaction. Simple as that.

It's a new era. No one should think defense when they think of the Ravens anymore. There's no 52 or 20...They shouldn't know what to think because this team hasn't had an identity since the begining of last year. You probably have the right idea though regarding public perception because you're a cowboys fan. But anyone who follows the Ravens closely would tell you the D hasn't been dominant since 2011.

Of course though, that's your opinion. Speaking only on yesterday's game I think everyone can agree everyone played bad. Some players worst than others.

IMO, there's a couple of positives we can take from both units. For offense, Kubiak made adjustments and they played a lot better in the 2nd half, which is encouraging. On defense, for the most part they bent but did not break. There's 50 negatives you could talk about combined the two.

It's ridiculous if you want to put the blame for that loss on one side, or player in particular. We're only 1 week into the season and all confidence and trust in Joe is already gone....please.

[I AM LEGEND]

Soooo this season hasn't started off well....we're on TV for all the wrong reasons....*long hard sigh + face palm*

[Gordo52]

Exactly. Ravens teams of the past set the bar super high for the defense..... I understand that but it's time for that bar to be lower down to the average standards of other NFL teams...... To hold a team to 5 field goals and they get a TD in the 4th is great and I would take that any day of the week from a defense.

So hypothetically you'd take 23 ppg, no sacks, no QB hits, no turnovers and give up 300 pass yards a game to a QB of Dalton's calibre, at home for 8 games a year? The 23 ppg might look good but it's below average. Nobody on our defense made the game changing plays that they needed to make.

Now I love how the D held their own at times and only gave up field goals, but the fact is they didn't play good yesterday... Especially for that Ravens standard of playing D everyone thinks about when thinking of the Ravens.

...should go without saying but it cannot for whatever reason, the offense didn't play any better. Combine the two efforts and I think it's safe to say, as a TEAM, we played horrible.

[izvoodoo]

So hypothetically you'd take 23 ppg, no sacks, no QB hits, no turnovers and give up 300 pass yards a game to a QB of Dalton's calibre, at home for 8 games a year? The 23 ppg might look good but it's below average. Nobody on our defense made the game changing plays that they needed to make.

Now I love how the D held their own at times and only gave up field goals, but the fact is they didn't play good yesterday... Especially for that Ravens standard of playing D everyone thinks about when thinking of the Ravens.

...should go without saying but it cannot for whatever reason, the offense didn't play any better. Combine the two efforts and I think it's safe to say, as a TEAM, we played horrible.

That's a bizarre standard.  the Bengals have a ton of playmakers and a high powered offense.  Also they did a lot of three step drops to try and neutralize the pass rush, lot of screens and such.  Not a lot of time to generate a rush.  It was passable for one game for a high octane fast paced offense.  But generally no we wouldn't take them.  

[5aiah]

So hypothetically you'd take 23 ppg, no sacks, no QB hits, no turnovers and give up 300 pass yards a game to a QB of Dalton's calibre, at home for 8 games a year? The 23 ppg might look good but it's below average. Nobody on our defense made the game changing plays that they needed to make.

Now I love how the D held their own at times and only gave up field goals, but the fact is they didn't play good yesterday... Especially for that Ravens standard of playing D everyone thinks about when thinking of the Ravens.

...should go without saying but it cannot for whatever reason, the offense didn't play any better. Combine the two efforts and I think it's safe to say, as a TEAM, we played horrible.

You obviously underestimate Dalton as well as overestimate the talent on the team. Who is going to come up with these game changing plays? Who is an elite playmaker on this defense? The defense played exactly how they weere supposed to given the situation. The offense played god awful, the defense played at least three times as good and had to play conservative because no one knew if the Ravens offense would ever score a TD. The special teams gifted the Offense one and they still wouldn't take it. The offense was the catalyst for that horrible game.

[GrimCoconut]

Oh and since we're on the subject of what should be cut, Joe needs to trim his facial hair. Go back to the Manchu. We won the Super Bowl with it.

[ravensdfan]

If you're talking about the Bengals starting within their own 20, during the first half, just once, and it was the only time they punted

 

No I was talking about how many times ST failed our own offense and we began inside the 20.

[ravensdfan]

At one point during the first half, I believe, a graphic came up and showed that the Bengals ran 36 plays while the Ravens had a total of 36 yards. If our offense maybe had gotten more than 1 first down, then you could put some of the blame on them. Instead of it being waaaay out of reach by the time the offense started playing, they forced them to 5 field goals. You cant expect a defense to dominate if theyre on the field the whole game.

 

So our defense was tired and deflated before the offense even took the field? Is that what you're saying?

 

No it is their job to force punts. Period. That is their job. 5 of 6 times the Bengals ended their drive with a score. 5 of 6 times. Only one punt int he first half. Again, for those who don't get it - field position, field position, field position. Punting within their own territory would have probably given our offense starting position other than inside their 20. Those long kickoffs every time do not tend to offer the best field position.

[ravensdfan]

Or maybe it's more fair to ask the offense to put points on the board. We didn't score until like the 3rd or 4th quarter and at one point all the defense gave up was 5 field goals..... Sorry but drilling the defense before drilling the offense is very absurd. Same ol Ravens..... good defense..... average to mediocre offense.

 

And we also didn't stop the Bengals from marching down the field until the 3rd quarter. Interesting how that works isn't it? We forced one punt int he first half - one. Our offense had only one drive that they began outside the 20 - hard for your offense to get something going that way isn't it? See how that works? Everything you claim about the offense affecting the defense, well that works the other way around as well.

 

The offense sat on the sidelines most of the first half in part because the defense couldn't get off the field and in part, because they didn't move the chains.

 

Neither unit played well in the first half. To sing the defense's praises for that debacle in the first half is just ludicrous.

[Gordo52]

I never said Cincy doesn't have a ton of weapons on offense. That much is obvious.... Ok, my hypothetical situation wasn't the greatest.

In my eyes, Dalton is not a good QB. It's inexcusable to not touch him more than once the entire game, or not force him to commit a turnover with the talent we have on D. My comment directed to wayne when he said, "When you think Ravens you think good defense" is the "Ravens standard of D" I referred to. Even though IMO we didn't play that way yesterday...haven't for 3 years.

We were still in the game to the very end. I don't care anymore who you wanna blame it on more.

[Edgar]

Did anyone,after we took the lead think that our defense was going to stop them? I sure didn't have confidence that we would. I must admit that I thought they would convert a few 3rd downs, run out the entire clock and kick a field goal to win it. So, I was wrong.

two times we got suckered on 3rd and long by a screen pass to extend a drive. Both times our defense was so far upfield it was ridiculous. As if it never crossed the mind that the bengals like that on 3rd and long.

[Edgar]

Oh and since we're on the subject of what should be cut, Joe needs to trim his facial hair. Go back to the Manchu. We won the Super Bowl with it.

I thought the fu only survived the AFC championship game. 

[BSHU_Miami]

This season has started off in complete shambles man......

[jimmypowder]

This season has started off in complete shambles man......

Understatement .I would not be surprised if we go 0-3 to start the season

[wayne]

Having no trust or confidence in Joe is an over reaction. Simple as that.

It's a new era. No one should think defense when they think of the Ravens anymore. There's no 52 or 20...They shouldn't know what to think because this team hasn't had an identity since the begining of last year. You probably have the right idea though regarding public perception because you're a cowboys fan. But anyone who follows the Ravens closely would tell you the D hasn't been dominant since 2011.

Of course though, that's your opinion. Speaking only on yesterday's game I think everyone can agree everyone played bad. Some players worst than others.

IMO, there's a couple of positives we can take from both units. For offense, Kubiak made adjustments and they played a lot better in the 2nd half, which is encouraging. On defense, for the most part they bent but did not break. There's 50 negatives you could talk about combined the two.

It's ridiculous if you want to put the blame for that loss on one side, or player in particular. We're only 1 week into the season and all confidence and trust in Joe is already gone....please.

It's not just this one game that we are saying we are losing confidence in Flacco. It's a make up of his entire career and seeing him constantly make the same mistakes he was making in year 1. Also, not , to say no one should think of defense when our defense statictically is way better than our offense and just b/c Ray and Ed has retired is absurd. Our defense is still our strength, not our O and if you expect for people to think of offense when thinking about the Ravens the offense has to play better than the defense on a consistent level. Yes, our D hasn't been dominant but its been pretty solid over the last 2-3 years and the same cant be said about our O. I'm hoping and praying for the day that the offense take reign over the team and be the most dominant unit but that they hasn't came yet and it doesn't look like it's coming anytime soon.

 

So hypothetically you'd take 23 ppg, no sacks, no QB hits, no turnovers and give up 300 pass yards a game to a QB of Dalton's calibre, at home for 8 games a year? The 23 ppg might look good but it's below average. Nobody on our defense made the game changing plays that they needed to make.

Now I love how the D held their own at times and only gave up field goals, but the fact is they didn't play good yesterday... Especially for that Ravens standard of playing D everyone thinks about when thinking of the Ravens.

...should go without saying but it cannot for whatever reason, the offense didn't play any better. Combine the two efforts and I think it's safe to say, as a TEAM, we played horrible.

 

Using your logic the offense should put up points everytime they see the field but did that happen? You guys must be new generation guys to say a team that gave up 5 field goals and 1 TD played horrible,lol. Newsflash...... when your defense gives up field goals instead of Tds that's a plus, not a minus. There are many teams across the league that wish their D only gave up fieldgoals instead of TDs. Again......that's not a negative when your defense gives up field goals instead of TDs..... especially considering the Bengals have a nice offense and Dalton is not bad at all.

I never said Cincy doesn't have a ton of weapons on offense. That much is obvious.... Ok, my hypothetical situation wasn't the greatest.

In my eyes, Dalton is not a good QB. It's inexcusable to not touch him more than once the entire game, or not force him to commit a turnover with the talent we have on D. My comment directed to wayne when he said, "When you think Ravens you think good defense" is the "Ravens standard of D" I referred to. Even though IMO we didn't play that way yesterday...haven't for 3 years.

We were still in the game to the very end. I don't care anymore who you wanna blame it on more.

Many people feel the same about Flacco as you do Dalton.

[Militant X 1]

That has to be an over reaction in the heat of the moment.

 

Naw Gordo!  That's what you want it to be...an "over reaction".  To me it is self-evident when I'm watching the games and Flacco in particular.  Now, you...IF...you choose to have confidence in him...then good for you!  But me?  I'll believe what my own eyes are telling me opposed to what others in here want me to think, feel or believe about Flacco or any other player for that matter.

 

How is it a over reaction. You act as if games like the one played yesterday is far and few inbetween? This is the norm for the offense and when our offense has a good day everyone gets super excited but let our defense have a good day and it's just another day at the office and why is that? I think it's a fair assessement of our offense with the way Mili views them and for most people in America. When you think Ravens you think good defense and average to below average offense and the eye ball test and the stats backs that up.

 

Appreciate that Wayne!  And, let's be real!  Most people in America don't live in Baltimore (myself included) and are not drunk on the purple cola that is constantly served up in here about our team and particular players. 

Having no trust or confidence in Joe is an over reaction. Simple as that.

Of course though, that's your opinion. Speaking only on yesterday's game I think everyone can agree everyone played bad. Some players worst than others.

IMO, there's a couple of positives we can take from both units. For offense, Kubiak made adjustments and they played a lot better in the 2nd half, which is encouraging. On defense, for the most part they bent but did not break. There's 50 negatives you could talk about combined the two.

It's ridiculous if you want to put the blame for that loss on one side, or player in particular. We're only 1 week into the season and all confidence and trust in Joe is already gone....please.

 

Gordo, you really need to go back and re-read posts cause you are the one in the heat of the moment with your feeble attempt to defend Joe here.  My lack of confidence in Joe doesn't come from 1 game played on yesterday man!  Smh!  It is due to what "my" eyes are constantly seeing from him every season since he's been in the league and leading this offense.

 

@Mili

[Gordo52]

Naw Gordo! That's what you want it to be...an "over reaction". To me it is self-evident when I'm watching the games and Flacco in particular. Now, you...IF...you choose to have confidence in him...then good for you! But me? I'll believe what my own eyes are telling me opposed to what others in here want me to think, feel or believe about Flacco or any other player for that matter.

Appreciate that Wayne! And, let's be real! Most people in America don't live in Baltimore (myself included) and are not drunk on the purple cola that is constantly served up in here about our team and particular players.

Gordo, you really need to go back and re-read posts cause you are the one in the heat of the moment with your feeble attempt to defend Joe here. My lack of confidence in Joe doesn't come from 1 game played on yesterday man! Smh! It is due to what "my" eyes are constantly seeing from him every season.

@Mili

Having no trust or confidence? None? He hasn't given you ANY in his first 6 full years in the league? Lol naw man, my posts weren't made in the heat of moment. I just thought better of you not to really believe something that outrageous....Benefit of the doubt that it was only an over reaction but I guess I was wrong.

...but to each their own. This is a forum ya know, where we as fans discuss stuff like this. I've gained a lot of knowledge from this site over the years but ultimately like yourself, I go with my eyes. I'm not trying to recruit you to the "Flacco side" like I think you're implying lol. C'mon man.

We just see things way differently because I have a lot of trust and confidence in Joe, especially when the games on the line and we're in the hurry up and spread em out pace. The plays he's shown throughout his career in big moments have given me that.

Also I'm not drunk off the "purple cola". It's the same thing over and over, year after year. In this case, it appears that I'm defending him since I'm criticizing the defense.... But if you re-read the posts that I made, I clearly said he played bad as well...horrible in the first half. I haven't rewatched the game yet, but two boneheaded plays stick out that we're inexcusable and one which cost us the game.

All I've been saying is as a collective TEAM effort, we played like [profanity deleted] and I stand by it.

[1/28/01]

I would say cut Ray Rice. He played horribly yesterday (it was like he wasnt even out there) and he had a horrible practice day today. One of the worst Mondays for a player I've ever seen.

[GrimCoconut]

I would say cut Ray Rice. He played horribly yesterday (it was like he wasnt even out there) and he had a horrible practice day today. One of the worst Mondays for a player I've ever seen.

Lol

[Hardbaugh]

Naw Gordo!  That's what you want it to be...an "over reaction".  To me it is self-evident when I'm watching the games and Flacco in particular.  Now, you...IF...you choose to have confidence in him...then good for you!  But me?  I'll believe what my own eyes are telling me opposed to what others in here want me to think, feel or believe about Flacco or any other player for that matter.

 

 

Gordo, you really need to go back and re-read posts cause you are the one in the heat of the moment with your feeble attempt to defend Joe here.  My lack of confidence in Joe doesn't come from 1 game played on yesterday man!  Smh!  It is due to what "my" eyes are constantly seeing from him every season since he's been in the league and leading this offense.

 

@Mili

Good post!

 

I really thought Joe was going to have his best season. Yesterday was a big let down for me. 

 

Preston had a good piece today that sums Flacco up well.  

 

The Ravens have changed everything but the one constant has been the man under center.  I've always thought Flacco played poor situational football, doesn't see the field well, reads and recognizes coverage slow, rarely does anything to beat a blitz but the play before the half and the two sacks to end the game conjured up the worst Kyle Boller images. 

 

I'll borrow Mike Prestons phrase "Joe is Joe"  what we have seen is what we will get and it isn't much save a 4 game run.

[1/28/01]

Good post!

I really thought Joe was going to have his best season. Yesterday was a big let down for me.

Preston had a good piece today that sums Flacco up well.

The Ravens have changed everything but the one constant has been the man under center. I've always thought Flacco played poor situational football, doesn't see the field well, reads and recognizes coverage slow, rarely does anything to beat a blitz but the play before the half and the two sacks to end the game conjured up the worst Kyle Boller images.

I'll borrow Mike Prestons phrase "Joe is Joe" what we have seen is what we will get and it isn't much save a 4 game run.

I absolutely HATE that I agree with you.

[Hardbaugh]

I absolutely HATE that I agree with you.

Atleast you admit it.    I hope you're doing well.

[Militant X 1]

Having no trust or confidence? None? He hasn't given you ANY in his first 6 full years in the league? Lol naw man, my posts weren't made in the heat of moment. I just thought better of you not to really believe something that outrageous....Benefit of the doubt that it was only an over reaction but I guess I was wrong.

...but to each their own. This is a forum ya know, where we as fans discuss stuff like this. I've gained a lot of knowledge from this site over the years but ultimately like yourself, I go with my eyes. I'm not trying to recruit you to the "Flacco side" like I think you're implying lol. C'mon man.

We just see things way differently because I have a lot of trust and confidence in Joe, especially when the games on the line and we're in the hurry up and spread em out pace. The plays he's shown throughout his career in big moments have given me that.

Also I'm not drunk off the "purple cola". It's the same thing over and over, year after year. In this case, it appears that I'm defending him since I'm criticizing the defense.... But if you re-read the posts that I made, I clearly said he played bad as well...horrible in the first half. I haven't rewatched the game yet, but two boneheaded plays stick out that we're inexcusable and one which cost us the game.

All I've been saying is as a collective TEAM effort, we played like [crap] and I stand by it.

 

First Gordo, I appreciate your thinking well of me.  However, as you mentioned what I put in red...we see things differently!  And, it is obvious that we all have different "standards" about how our QB and this offense should be playing. A lot of you guys hold onto the "Joe is money in pressured situations or when the game is on the line" statements.  Well, the game was on the line yesterday...no timeouts and in need of a TD and the team is in the red zone.  How'd that turn out with the ball in Joe's hand?  Those of us who are not sold on Flacco need to be able to voice that just like those of you who are sold on him.  This is a forum for that....right?

 

Good post!

 

I really thought Joe was going to have his best season. Yesterday was a big let down for me. 

 

Preston had a good piece today that sums Flacco up well.  

 

The Ravens have changed everything but the one constant has been the man under center.  I've always thought Flacco played poor situational football, doesn't see the field well, reads and recognizes coverage slow, rarely does anything to beat a blitz but the play before the half and the two sacks to end the game conjured up the worst Kyle Boller images. 

 

I'll borrow Mike Prestons phrase "Joe is Joe"  what we have seen is what we will get and it isn't much save a 4 game run.

 

I agree with you on this!

I absolutely HATE that I agree with you.

 

Lol!

 

@Mili

[Crabcakes&Football]

Speaking of doghouses. Arthur Brown was a healthy scratch yesterday, and McClellan and undrafted rookie Orr was activated ahead of him. What is up with that?

[jazz1988]

Speaking of doghouses. Arthur Brown was a healthy scratch yesterday, and McClellan and undrafted rookie Orr was activated ahead of him. What is up with that?

 

They are better special teamers. I still think Arhur Brown can be useful than both those guys especially on defense  but Harbaugh values special team alot and if you can't perform well on special teams then you not going to play especially  if you a back up player.