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It's either Taylor or Taylor and Wenning. I don't see us going with just Wenning.

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I'd go with Wenning. Give Tyrod a shot to go elsewhere and be a backup because regardless... He won't be anything more than that here. If Joe stays healthy, neither will matter. Really though, Wenning has as much experience in this offense as Taylor.

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I think we could go with just Wenning but I'm not sure we're ready to let go of Taylor. I think we'll see Taylor stick and Wenning placed on the PS (or at least try to put him there) as the likeliest scenario. That's unless someone wants to trade for Taylor, which I don't see happening. If that does happen, then I think we could roll with just Wenning. We rolled with Taylor and he didn't look that good his rookie year. I think people place a bit too much emphasis on the experience thing.

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We've only really seen Wenning for one preseason game.  No way am I confident that we should have him over a QB who 1) has experience playing in regular season games and 2) Has more rapport with players.  

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Taylor has more experience, but Wenning fits our offensive system better.  In the end, I doubt Flacco will get hurt, so I would go with Wenning because he has more upside.

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Wenning really impressed me yesterday. As much as I like what I saw, I doubt we go with just him backing up Joe. Unless we're shopping Tyrod (which we should do if we can), I think we'll keep three.

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No reason not to keep Tyrod and I am admittedly not his biggest fan. He is better than Wenning this year anyway and its not as though we'd really get anything of much value for him in a trade (providing the team actually finds a trading partner). I don't particularly trust Tyrod to lead the offense if God forbid Joe got hurt but I do trust him a lot more than Wenning right now.

Some are worried that some other team might steal Wenning off of the practice squad but keep this in mind: to do so a team has to put him on their active roster and as QB starved some teams still are, I just don't see any of them making such a move to get Wenning on their 53 man squad, especially with only 2 and a half quartera of NFL game tape on the young man.

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No reason not to keep Tyrod and I am admittedly not his biggest fan. He is better than Wenning this year anyway and its not as though we'd really get anything of much value for him in a trade (providing the team actually finds a trading partner). I don't particularly trust Tyrod to lead the offense if God forbid Joe got hurt but I do trust him a lot more than Wenning right now.

Some are worried that some other team might steal Wenning off of the practice squad but keep this in mind: to do so a team has to put him on their active roster and as QB starved some teams still are, I just don't see any of them making such a move to get Wenning on their 53 man squad, especially with only 2 and a half quartera of NFL game tape on the young man.

 

I'm with you here.  I don't believe one half of football is enough to get him claimed by someone.  I do think we could still take the cautious approach if we truly do believe he's the backup of the future, but I still believe he'll be cut and placed on the PS with ease.

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There is no way Wenning is the #2 QB and you cut Taylor. If something crazy happens to Joe, Defensive coordinators will destroy Wenning and his confidence will be gone forever. I think we have to keep 3 QB's. htere is no way he makes it to the PS. We have an interesting dilemma. We can't keep 10 OL's, 6 WR's, 11 DB's, and 3 QB's unless we go with less DL's. Maybe you IR Wenning if you can so you can stash him for a year. Wenning will be ready to be a #2 by next season.

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I'd like to see Tyrod with Wenning making it to our PS. Don't know if that happens, but he did not see a whole lot of action, so maybe he would clear waivers. I don't want to see us carry three QB's though, that 53rd spot is just too important, especially when you are deciding between guys like Thompson and Aiken. 

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There is no way Wenning is the #2 QB and you cut Taylor. If something crazy happens to Joe, Defensive coordinators will destroy Wenning and his confidence will be gone forever. I think we have to keep 3 QB's. htere is no way he makes it to the PS. We have an interesting dilemma. We can't keep 10 OL's, 6 WR's, 11 DB's, and 3 QB's unless we go with less DL's. Maybe you IR Wenning if you can so you can stash him for a year. Wenning will be ready to be a #2 by next season.

 

Yup and Tyrod's contract is up after this season, so that would be ideal that or getting him  on the PS. 

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There is no way Wenning is the #2 QB and you cut Taylor. If something crazy happens to Joe, Defensive coordinators will destroy Wenning and his confidence will be gone forever. I think we have to keep 3 QB's. htere is no way he makes it to the PS. We have an interesting dilemma. We can't keep 10 OL's, 6 WR's, 11 DB's, and 3 QB's unless we go with less DL's. Maybe you IR Wenning if you can so you can stash him for a year. Wenning will be ready to be a #2 by next season.

 

Wenning performance was good last night but I don't think it was that good to the point he won't make it to ps

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I think Wenning to PS, won't get hawked there imo. Too many other QBs out there

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There is no way Wenning is the #2 QB and you cut Taylor. If something crazy happens to Joe, Defensive coordinators will destroy Wenning and his confidence will be gone forever. I think we have to keep 3 QB's. htere is no way he makes it to the PS. We have an interesting dilemma. We can't keep 10 OL's, 6 WR's, 11 DB's, and 3 QB's unless we go with less DL's. Maybe you IR Wenning if you can so you can stash him for a year. Wenning will be ready to be a #2 by next season.

Every year you hear "There's no way ____ makes it to the PS!" This year, Butler, Wenning, Toussaint, Jacobs, Hurst are all guys who could fall into that category. As much as I like all five of those guys, I think it's really presumptuous to state that there's "No way they make it through waivers!" They all have their black eyes. None of those guys are perfect. Sure, they have potential but I really am not sure how far that takes you when you have a 53 man roster. It can happen, but the likelihood isn't always as much as we think. 

 

I think all five of those guys could end up on our PS. 

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Count me as another one that thinks we can get Wenning onto the PS with no problem.  Or perhaps he injured his thumb last night and needs to go on IR.  

 

Either way if Joe goes down, we are probably going to regress.  

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Count me as another one that thinks we can get Wenning onto the PS with no problem.  Or perhaps he injured his thumb last night and needs to go on IR.  

 

Either way if Joe goes down, we are probably going to regress.  

 

Matt Furstenburg, Josh Bynes, Nigel Carr, Bobby Rainey (in year 1), etc.  All guys that many said wouldn't make it to the PS.  All of them not only cleared waivers, but some some didn't even get signed to the PS until midseason.  It happens every year.  I've learned that unless you have an impact like Marlon Brown or Justin Tucker, you're more than fine on passing through waivers.

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Matt Furstenburg, Josh Bynes, Nigel Carr, Bobby Rainey (in year 1), etc.  All guys that many said wouldn't make it to the PS.  All of them not only cleared waivers, but some some didn't even get signed to the PS until midseason.  It happens every year.  I've learned that unless you have an impact like Marlon Brown or Justin Tucker, you're more than fine on passing through waivers.

Don't forget Omar Brown. Lol. To think, at one point he was hyped so hard around here. Furstenburg looked so bad last year. He was cut and never came back. 

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I think Taylor keeps his job.  He improved throughout the preseason.  Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the last year of Tyrod Taylor's contract?  I think this is the last year for him here.  I just think Wenning needs more time to develop.  Maybe next year he can be a serviceable backup.  I agree with many that Wenning goes to practice squad.

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Every year you hear "There's no way ____ makes it to the PS!" This year, Butler, Wenning, Toussaint, Jacobs, Hurst are all guys who could fall into that category. As much as I like all five of those guys, I think it's really presumptuous to state that there's "No way they make it through waivers!" They all have their black eyes. None of those guys are perfect. Sure, they have potential but I really am not sure how far that takes you when you have a 53 man roster. It can happen, but the likelihood isn't always as much as we think. 

 

I think all five of those guys could end up on our PS. 

I agree with that. We draft so well and scout so much talent that it's inevitable that we're going to lose some very talented players. We could lose Wenning though waivers. I think Toussaint makes it to waivers. i think Hurst doesn't make it through waivers. Jacobs and Butler i believe make it to PS. I wouldn't be that upset if Wenning got cut and another team claimed him because this year he wouldn't be able to play for us at an effective level if Joe went down and he was the #2. Tyrod is done after this year and we could sign a vet QB like Philly did with Sanchez to back up Joe. Joe's youn enough that we can wait at least another 3 years before we need to have a successor in place.

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Wenning performance was good last night but I don't think it was that good to the point he won't make it to ps

I hope so it's just a lot of sorry organizations that have really bad QB situations and might grab him to put on their 53 man roster.

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What I want and what I really think is gonna happen is two different things.

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What I want and what I really think is gonna happen is two different things.

Well, why don't you share? :-)

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Matt Furstenburg, Josh Bynes, Nigel Carr, Bobby Rainey (in year 1), etc.  All guys that many said wouldn't make it to the PS.  All of them not only cleared waivers, but some some didn't even get signed to the PS until midseason.  It happens every year.  I've learned that unless you have an impact like Marlon Brown or Justin Tucker, you're more than fine on passing through waivers.

I'd agree with what you say here if it were not a QB that seems to have NFL potential. My gut tells me we don't send him to the PS, but I'm not sure how it will be handled. I will say that if there is interest in Tyrod and a favorable trade is presented we won't hesitate. There really isn't much more of an advantage, if any, in keeping him over Wenning.

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No reason not to keep Tyrod and I am admittedly not his biggest fan. He is better than Wenning this year anyway and its not as though we'd really get anything of much value for him in a trade (providing the team actually finds a trading partner). I don't particularly trust Tyrod to lead the offense if God forbid Joe got hurt but I do trust him a lot more than Wenning right now.

Some are worried that some other team might steal Wenning off of the practice squad but keep this in mind: to do so a team has to put him on their active roster and as QB starved some teams still are, I just don't see any of them making such a move to get Wenning on their 53 man squad, especially with only 2 and a half quartera of NFL game tape on the young man.

 

 

I'm with you here.  I don't believe one half of football is enough to get him claimed by someone.  I do think we could still take the cautious approach if we truly do believe he's the backup of the future, but I still believe he'll be cut and placed on the PS with ease.

 

 

The guy was a 6th round pick.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a team with a lack of depth who has a couple spots available snatch him up.  It's not like he will be a starter or quality backup anytime soon, but he is worth the investment.  Some teams have guys on their 53 rosters who barely deserve to be practice squad guys.

 

Would it surprise you to see someone keep him on their team for the future availability of a potentially good project?  I'm not so sure.

 

With Flacco's durability I see no real reason to keep Tyrod any longer.  Heck, if we could get a conditional 7th it'd be worth it.  I just don't see him getting any real playing time this year or contributing to the team in the near future.

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I'd agree with what you say her if it were not a QB that seems to have NFL potential. My gut tells me we don't send him to the PS, but I'm not sure what exactly how it's handled. I will say that if there is interest in Tyrod and a favorable trade is presented we won't hesitate. There really isn't much more of an advantage, if any, in keeping him over Wenning.

 

Quarterback (2):  Joe Flacco, Tyrod Taylor

Skinny: After some offseason speculation about his job possibly being in jeopardy, Taylor easily outplayed rookie Keith Wenning and demonstrated he could back up Flacco, finishing with a strong performance Thursday night. Wenning has a future here if the Ravens can get him through waivers and onto the practice squad.

 

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Quarterback (2): Joe Flacco, Tyrod Taylor

Skinny: After some offseason speculation about his job possibly being in jeopardy, Taylor easily outplayed rookie Keith Wenning and demonstrated he could back up Flacco, finishing with a strong performance Thursday night. Wenning has a future here if the Ravens can get him through waivers and onto the practice squad.

#Mili

Yeah, I think everyone agrees (hopefully) that Taylor outplayed Wenning all preseason. With that said, even Stevie Wonder can see that Taylor will leave this team next year, as he probably should. He's got some talent and he should have an opportunity to earn a starting job elsewhere and he'll never get that here with Joe. I think if we can get a pick for Taylor, then we should move him. I just don't think we will.

It also depends on what we can get for him. I mean, I'm not very confident he'll get paid on the open market to get us anything more than a compensatory pick next off-season. So if we could get a 7th then I say we do it. But that's just me.

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Quarterback (2):  Joe Flacco, Tyrod Taylor

Skinny: After some offseason speculation about his job possibly being in jeopardy, Taylor easily outplayed rookie Keith Wenning and demonstrated he could back up Flacco, finishing with a strong performance Thursday night. Wenning has a future here if the Ravens can get him through waivers and onto the practice squad.

 

#Mili

 

 

Where did you find that Mili?  Did Ty's agent write it?   :P   

 

IDK, man........ I know you watched the game last night.  Do you think that was a strong performance? 

 

Last night was really the first we've seen of any appreciable playing time from Wenning, so I'm not sure there's much to go on as far as him being "easily outplayed". He's obviously green, but to me he looks pretty smooth and is probably a great prospect. That TD pass he threw that was overturned was something special. Don't you agree?  

 

Since it's not likely either him or Tyrod will see any action this year, I think the best case scenario for all is to deal Tyrod now if there's interest and give him a chance elsewhere. Don't know if it will happen, but I guess we'll know something by tomorrow night. 

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Where did you find that Mili? Did Ty's agent write it? :P

IDK, man........ I know you watched the game last night. Do you think that was a strong performance?

Last night was really the first we've seen of any appreciable playing time from Wenning, so I'm not sure there's much to go on as far as him being "easily outplayed". He's obviously green, but to me he looks pretty smooth and is probably a great prospect. That TD pass he threw that was overturned was something special. Don't you agree?

Since it's not likely either him or Tyrod will see any action this year, I think the best case scenario for all is to deal Tyrod now if there's interest and give him a chance elsewhere. Don't know if it will happen, but I guess we'll know something by tomorrow night.

Yes, John Madden. We'll know by tomorrow night. Lol
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Yes, John Madden. We'll know by tomorrow night. Lol

 

 

whatyousay? John Madden?  lol

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Wenning?????  Lmao...... Are you kidding me?  

 

He has no experience, no arm, and nothing that sets him apart of from the average Joe. 

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Wenning?????  Lmao...... Are you kidding me?  

 

He has no experience, no arm, and nothing that sets him apart of from the average Joe.

Sounds exactly like Tyrod his first year as a backup.

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I don't see us keeping 3 QBs and Tyrod gets the nod as backup, based on his (relative) experience and familiarity with the team. Wenning is just way to green to be counted on as a #2 at this point. His lack of readiness to play live games with starters at this point makes him a relatively safe PS move. I would be stunned if he doesn't clear waivers. 

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I know that Wenning is green but he stayed in the pocket except on designed roll outs. Taylor still has happy feet and bails as soon as there is pressure. Since Wenning seemed to me to be more of what we would hope for a backup quarterback to be in this offense, I would vote for him to stay and get more practice time so that he can keep developing his rhythm with the receivers and the offense going forward. I know that most will not agree with me. It is just that whoever plays behind Joe is not going to have much real playing time. Hopefully.

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Count me as another one that thinks we can get Wenning onto the PS with no problem.  Or perhaps he injured his thumb last night and needs to go on IR.  

 

Either way if Joe goes down, we are probably going to regress.  

 

Yes, those nasty thumb injuries take a long time to heal when you're a QB :)

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Wenning?????  Lmao...... Are you kidding me?  

 

He has no experience, no arm, and nothing that sets him apart of from the average Joe. 

 

I'll just leave you with these numbers:

 

8/13 117 yds 90.9 rating

10/17 105 yds 71.9 rating

 

Both played with 2nd/3rd stringers. Both played against 2nd/3rd string defenses. One is a rookie and one has 4 yrs under their belt in the NFL.

 

Which one has more upside? 

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I'll just leave you with these numbers:

 

8/13 117 yds 90.9 rating

10/17 105 yds 71.9 rating

 

Both played with 2nd/3rd stringers. Both played against 2nd/3rd string defenses. One is a rookie and one has 4 yrs under their belt in the NFL.

 

Which one has more upside? 

 

 

I think it was Quadry that in the second half said, "Wenning looks to be the much more polished QB..........."

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I think it was Quadry that in the second half said, "Wenning looks to be the much more polished QB..........."

 

On the one hand, I do not think they will release Tyrod and fly with just Wenning. But then, on the other hand, they did go with just Tyrod his rookie year and he didn't look that good.

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I can't say I'd trust either one to win a game for the Ravens. However, I trust Wenning more to not lose a game. I think he's less likely to throw a badly timed interception and doesn't have happy feet.

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It isn't even close. Tyrod is a vet. He's played well in preseason and he's a known commodity. Wenning is a rookie that looked productive in one half. The coaches have been crystal clear that Tyrod is the #2 no debate. The only question is if we keep 3 or we psquad Wenning. I don't think we do the IR route. I don't see him getting picked up but we'd have a long time to solve our 2015 backup problem if he did.

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Where did you find that Mili?  Did Ty's agent write it?   :P   

 

IDK, man........ I know you watched the game last night.  Do you think that was a strong performance? 

 

Last night was really the first we've seen of any appreciable playing time from Wenning, so I'm not sure there's much to go on as far as him being "easily outplayed". He's obviously green, but to me he looks pretty smooth and is probably a great prospect. That TD pass he threw that was overturned was something special. Don't you agree?  

 

Since it's not likely either him or Tyrod will see any action this year, I think the best case scenario for all is to deal Tyrod now if there's interest and give him a chance elsewhere. Don't know if it will happen, but I guess we'll know something by tomorrow night. 

 

Naw, not Tyrod's agent but from Eisenberg here on the site brah! :229031_rofl:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Eisenberg-Predicts-Ravens-53-Man-Roster/39022d3a-8d50-43c6-b432-f2163df40caa

 

I thought Tyrod played very well last night minus a huge overthrow in the endzone but hasn't Joe Flacco done that?  Then, the deep pass for an INT but hasn't Joe Flacco done that?  And then he threw a few behind the receiver but hasn't Joe Flacco done that as well?  Of course he's not Joe but my point is that Tyrod played well with the time he was given and made similar mistakes that our 7 year starter still makes!  Now, Wenning?  Very decent to me at best!  Nothing spectacular!  Potential?  Perhaps!  Tyrod also has potential in this league....in the right place!  But, I agree, my boy Tyrod needs to get out of Baltimore as quickly as he can in hopes of possibly getting playing time elsewhere.

 

#Mili

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Naw, not Tyrod's agent but from Eisenberg here on the site brah! :229031_rofl:

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Eisenberg-Predicts-Ravens-53-Man-Roster/39022d3a-8d50-43c6-b432-f2163df40caa

 

I thought Tyrod played very well last night minus a huge overthrow in the endzone but hasn't Joe Flacco done that?  Then, the deep pass for an INT but hasn't Joe Flacco done that?  And then he threw a few behind the receiver but hasn't Joe Flacco done that as well?  Of course he's not Joe but my point is that Tyrod played well with the time he was given and made similar mistakes that our 7 year starter still makes!  Now, Wenning?  Very decent to me at best!  Nothing spectacular!  Potential?  Perhaps!  Tyrod also has potential in this league....in the right place!  But, I agree, my boy Tyrod needs to get out of Baltimore as quickly as he can in hopes of possibly getting playing time elsewhere.

 

#Mili

 

 

yeah Mili, I saw it after I wrote my post. My bad.

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If one or two starting OL men go down and we can't keep the opposing team out of the backfield, Taylor is the better backup. Either way, the team still lose if we can't keep a team out of the backfield so it doesn't really matter.

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Pretty much what was expected. We'll see him on the PS. I just would be surprised if a team signed him. He wasn't that good and got embarrassed in game 2 or whatever it was.

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Pretty much what was expected. We'll see him on the PS. I just would be surprised if a team signed him. He wasn't that good and got embarrassed in game 2 or whatever it was.

 

 

He looked better than Tyrod in the last, but as a late round rookie with no experience I can see why they went this direction. Hopefully he clears waivers as we'll need a #2 next year.

 

Too bad for Tyrod.  I guess there wasn't any interest from other teams. 

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