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[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

It doesn't matter if they're putting up similar stats. That's like saying Flacco is going to put up better stats than Terry Bradshaw, he belongs in the HoF. 

 

It doesn't work that way. Marshall Faulk was one of the driving forces for the greatest show on turf, had several seasons of at least 80 catches, is one of the only (maybe the only) running backs to have 1,000 yards rushing and 1,000 yards receiving, and had great touchdown numbers. He was absolutely dominant. Ray Rice is great and all, but he's only had two great seasons that were separated by a season in-between, compared to Faulk having four straight seasons of at least 2,000 total yards, five straight seasons of at least 80 catches, one year leading the league in rushing touchdowns, two times leading in rushing and receiving touchdowns, three times leading the NFL in YPC, and twice leading them in yards from scrimmage. I also don't remember him being apart of a rotation, even if it is a small one where the backup only gets 10 carries, like Pierce.

 

Do not even compare Faulk and Rice. That's just embarrassing to him. Right now, the only back currently on pace to reach the HoF in the NFL today is Adrian Peterson, and he'll go down as one of the greatest to ever play.

 

"It doesn't matter if they're putting up similar stats."

Yes it does.Stats and rings are two the main two things hall of fame voters look at.

"That's like saying Flacco is going to put up better stats than Terry Bradshaw, he belongs in the HoF. "

That's nothing like saying that.Rice entered the league 2 years after Faulk retired.Flacco entered the league 25 years after Bradshaw retired.The rules changed for the passing game so much between Bradshaws era and Flaccos era that it's basically two different leagues.Goodell purposely made it easier to pass the ball when he became commissioner.Nothing changed for runningbacks in the brief years between Faulk and Rice.

"Marshall Faulk was one of the driving forces for the greatest show on turf, had several seasons of at least 80 catches, is one of the only (maybe the only) running backs to have 1,000 yards rushing and 1,000 yards receiving, and had great touchdown numbers. He was absolutely dominant."

Rice had two seasons with atleast 70 catches.That's not that far off from 80.If he keeps that pace up for 4 or 5 more years he'll have as many 70+ catch years as Faulk had 80.Plus,I acknowledged that Faulk had way more td's than Rice in my post." Faulk had alot more td's but the yards in the first five years are almost identical."I specifically said that only the yards in the FIRST FIVE YEARS were identical.We were talking about the pace of their careers.You're making it seem as if I said Rice is as good as Faulk.I never said that.I simply compared their numbers.I KNOW RICE IS NOT ON FAULKS LEVEL(I'm not screaming at you in an angry way I'm just trying to make sure we get that point clear!).Also,Rice has dominated the league since he was drafted.

Leaders in yards from scrimage since 08

1.AP - 10,223

2.CJ2k  - 9,968

3.Rice - 9,214

Leaders in touches(both running and receiving) since 08

1.CJ2k - 2014

2.Peterson - 1982

3.Rice - 1799

How much more does he need to do for you to admit that he's dominating his era?He may not be the best of his era but plenty of hall of famers weren't the best of their era's.Faulk wasn't even the best of his era.

"Ray Rice is great and all, but he's only had two great seasons that were separated by a season in-between" 

Rice's 2010 and 2012 seasons weren't great seasons?

"compared to Faulk having four straight seasons of at least 2,000 total yards, five straight seasons of at least 80 catches, one year leading the league in rushing touchdowns, two times leading in rushing and receiving touchdowns, three times leading the NFL in YPC, and twice leading them in yards from scrimmage."

Why are you comparing Rice's entire career to Faulk's entire career?I thought we were talking about the pace of their careers stat wise in the first 5 years.And as I said above,I whole heartedly agree that Faulk is a much better player than Rice.This is just about the stats in their first 5 years.I was using Faulk's stats as a way to gauge the type of career Rice got off to before his bump in the road last year.

"Right now, the only back currently on pace to reach the HoF in the NFL today is Adrian Peterson, and he'll go down as one of the greatest to ever play."

I think CJ2k has a chance at the hall of fame if he can stay healthy and bang out a few more 1,000 yard seasons as he revives his career in New York.

[BmoreBird22]

If you include this year, you have to include the 7 picks in 2 playoff games

I admit they were bad games, but when you're defense is allowing that many points, you're kinda forced to throw and it allows the defense to really pin its ears back. He had to throw 86 times, and this is without Reggie Wayne, Dwayne Allen, or Vick Ballard. I'm not saying he doesn't have to do better, but I mean, give him a break

[codizzle]

Don't want to quote that long post but I'd give cj2k a 5% chance of making HOF.... At the most 5%

He's about to be 29... And 48th on the career rushing list with under 8,000... No way he breaks top 15 which would take another 3700 yards

[berad]

I admit they were bad games, but when you're defense is allowing that many points, you're kinda forced to throw and it allows the defense to really pin its ears back. He had to throw 86 times, and this is without Reggie Wayne, Dwayne Allen, or Vick Ballard. I'm not saying he doesn't have to do better, but I mean, give him a break

 

He might have been missing some players but that's an 8.1+% pick percentage. That's extremely high, especially for a top-flight QB like Luck. Luck's a good QB and going to be a lot better but that number is startling, there have been postseason struggles.

 

Anyways, back to the Bengals. Their QB has similar postseason struggles!

[Blackbirds Rule]

Don't want to quote that long post but I'd give cj2k a 5% chance of making HOF.... At the most 5%

He's about to be 29... And 48th on the career rushing list with under 8,000... No way he breaks top 15 which would take another 3700 yards

I think 5% might be a little high. If he somehow had a little career rejuvenation and ran for around 1,300 these next two years and then two straight 1,000 yard seasons after that I think he'd squeeze in a selection being around 12,000 career rushing yards. I only think he has two years left due to his size and his speed slowing down.

[Corvus]

I'm just going to sum up my thoughts on the game with one statement: The Bengals have never faced the Ravens with a legitimate offensive coordinator who knows how to maximize the potential of his players. It wasn't so long ago when we blew them out with Cam's "Faux Coryell" so with a real offensive guru at the helm? I expect the Ravens will turn the national media pundits heads 360% come Sunday afternoon

[FerrariFan87]

Do you think we'll see Jimmy follow AJ Green all over the field or keep him on one side like Richard Sherman?

[BmoreBird22]

"It doesn't matter if they're putting up similar stats."Yes it does.Stats and rings are two the main two things hall of fame voters look at."That's like saying Flacco is going to put up better stats than Terry Bradshaw, he belongs in the HoF. "That's nothing like saying that.Rice entered the league 2 years after Faulk retired.Flacco entered the league 25 years after Bradshaw retired.The rules changed for the passing game so much between Bradshaws era and Flaccos era that it's basically two different leagues.Goodell purposely made it easier to pass the ball when he became commissioner.Nothing changed for runningbacks in the brief years between Faulk and Rice."Marshall Faulk was one of the driving forces for the greatest show on turf, had several seasons of at least 80 catches, is one of the only (maybe the only) running backs to have 1,000 yards rushing and 1,000 yards receiving, and had great touchdown numbers. He was absolutely dominant."Rice had two seasons with atleast 70 catches.That's not that far off from 80.If he keeps that pace up for 4 or 5 more years he'll have as many 70+ catch years as Faulk had 80.Plus,I acknowledged that Faulk had way more td's than Rice in my post." Faulk had alot more td's but the yards in the first five years are almost identical."I specifically said that only the yards in the FIRST FIVE YEARS were identical.We were talking about the pace of their careers.You're making it seem as if I said Rice is as good as Faulk.I never said that.I simply compared their numbers.I KNOW RICE IS NOT ON FAULKS LEVEL(I'm not screaming at you in an angry way I'm just trying to make sure we get that point clear!).Also,Rice has dominated the league since he was drafted.Leaders in yards from scrimage since 081.AP - 10,2232.CJ2k  - 9,9683.Rice - 9,214Leaders in touches(both running and receiving) since 081.CJ2k - 20142.Peterson - 19823.Rice - 1799How much more does he need to do for you to admit that he's dominating his era?He may not be the best of his era but plenty of hall of famers weren't the best of their era's.Faulk wasn't even the best of his era."Ray Rice is great and all, but he's only had two great seasons that were separated by a season in-between" Rice's 2010 and 2012 seasons weren't great seasons?"compared to Faulk having four straight seasons of at least 2,000 total yards, five straight seasons of at least 80 catches, one year leading the league in rushing touchdowns, two times leading in rushing and receiving touchdowns, three times leading the NFL in YPC, and twice leading them in yards from scrimmage."Why are you comparing Rice's entire career to Faulk's entire career?I thought we were talking about the pace of their careers stat wise in the first 5 years.And as I said above,I whole heartedly agree that Faulk is a much better player than Rice.This is just about the stats in their first 5 years.I was using Faulk's stats as a way to gauge the type of career Rice got off to before his bump in the road last year."Right now, the only back currently on pace to reach the HoF in the NFL today is Adrian Peterson, and he'll go down as one of the greatest to ever play."I think CJ2k has a chance at the hall of fame if he can stay healthy and bang out a few more 1,000 yard seasons as he revives his career in New York.

It was just an exaggeration to show you that comparing stats can be dangerous. If a player rushes for a 99 yard touchdown, but then only gains 1 yard on 9 subsequent carries, is it impressive? Be wary of stats because they're only a number. I wouldn't compare two players to determine whether or not they should be in the HoF. Rice was also in the league three years after, not that it matters.

Rice has had one season of 70 plus catches, and it was actually only 70. At that pace, he'd have to go for at least two more games to reach 80 catches. It's not an easy feat for a running back to accomplish. The fact that he did it FIVE times is incredible. Rice keeping that pace for four to five years would be insane. He's 27, so he'd be going until he 31, 32. Given his small stature and extremely heavy workload, it'd be very impressive.

He's had two dominant seasons. That's it. That's not dominating his era. By the way, reading comprehension. What's in between 2010 and 2012? 2011. Two dominant seasons (2010 and 2012) with one in between (2011).

I'm comparing their careers because the HoF is a career accomplishment, not one earned because he had five good years and then dropped off. I assume your only comparing the first five years because Rice was hurt last year. Why don't we leave out Faulk's third year because he was hurt? And if comparing stats, touchdowns might be the most important. But fine, we'll look at the first five years where Faulk won OROY, Pro Bowl MVP, four Pro Bowls, First Team All Pro, three time Second Team All Pro, and a Super Bowl ring. Rice didn't win a Pro Bowl MVP, First Team All Pro, or OROY. Those all count toward the HoF.

Rive would have to do a lot to reach the HoF. Faulk at least won two MVP's, three OPOY awards, and was a first team All-Pro three times to go along with 7 Pro-Bowls.

CJ2K would have to do a ton considering he's declined every year since that 2000 yard season

[BmoreBird22]

He might have been missing some players but that's an 8.1+% pick percentage. That's extremely high, especially for a top-flight QB like Luck. Luck's a good QB and going to be a lot better but that number is startling, there have been postseason struggles.

 

Anyways, back to the Bengals. Their QB has similar postseason struggles!

Again, throwing over 80 times because your team is down by 20 points will do that.

He also has struggles against the Ravens in Baltimore, and I don't expect that to change Sunday

[Drew P]

If you include this year, you have to include the 7 picks in 2 playoff games

 

My point exactly its not the quantity he threw its the timing.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

It was just an exaggeration to show you that comparing stats can be dangerous. If a player rushes for a 99 yard touchdown, but then only gains 1 yard on 9 subsequent carries, is it impressive? Be wary of stats because they're only a number. I wouldn't compare two players to determine whether or not they should be in the HoF. Rice was also in the league three years after, not that it matters.

Rice has had one season of 70 plus catches, and it was actually only 70. At that pace, he'd have to go for at least two more games to reach 80 catches. It's not an easy feat for a running back to accomplish. The fact that he did it FIVE times is incredible. Rice keeping that pace for four to five years would be insane. He's 27, so he'd be going until he 31, 32. Given his small stature and extremely heavy workload, it'd be very impressive.

He's had two dominant seasons. That's it. That's not dominating his era. By the way, reading comprehension. What's in between 2010 and 2012? 2011. Two dominant seasons (2010 and 2012) with one in between (2011).

I'm comparing their careers because the HoF is a career accomplishment, not one earned because he had five good years and then dropped off. I assume your only comparing the first five years because Rice was hurt last year. Why don't we leave out Faulk's third year because he was hurt? And if comparing stats, touchdowns might be the most important. But fine, we'll look at the first five years where Faulk won OROY, Pro Bowl MVP, four Pro Bowls, First Team All Pro, three time Second Team All Pro, and a Super Bowl ring. Rice didn't win a Pro Bowl MVP, First Team All Pro, or OROY. Those all count toward the HoF.

Rive would have to do a lot to reach the HoF. Faulk at least won two MVP's, three OPOY awards, and was a first team All-Pro three times to go along with 7 Pro-Bowls.

CJ2K would have to do a ton considering he's declined every year since that 2000 yard season

 

LOL I just can't with you and 5aiah.This is going to be my last debate post in this forum.

 

"Rice was also in the league three years after, not that it matters."

Faulk was just recently drafted into the HOF as a first round inductee in 2011.It takes five years after our last season to be eligible for HOF which means he retired in 06.Rice was drafted in 08.But you're right,none of it matters.

"Rice has had one season of 70 plus catches, and it was actually only 70"

In 2009 he had 78 catches and in 2011 he had 76.If you don't believe me check for yourself.

http://www.nfl.com/player/rayrice/941/profile

"By the way, reading comprehension. What's in between 2010 and 2012? 2011. Two dominant seasons (2010 and 2012) with one in between (2011)." 

My reading comprehension is just fine(can anyone on here have a debate without insulting?).You were alluding to his 2009 and 2011 when you said "two great seasons"'correct?If so,you're leaving out 2010 and 2012.That's why I asked you "Rice's 2010 and 2012 seasons weren't great seasons?".He had 1700+ total yards and 6 total tds in 2010 and 1600+ total yards and 10 total td's in 2012.That's dominating a season in my book.Unless you're trying to say the season in between was dominate too.If that's what you meant then why not just say 3 dominate seasons ?Everyone's brain doesn't think or interpret thing the same way yours does? 

"I'm comparing their careers because the HoF is a career accomplishment, not one earned because he had five good years and then dropped off."

My original post must have completely went over your head.I'm not saying Rice is a hall of famer.I implied that if he kept the same pace and duplicated his first five seasons in his next 5 seasons,those numbers would combine for something HOF worthy.

"I assume your only comparing the first five years because Rice was hurt last year. Why don't we leave out Faulk's third year because he was hurt? "

I'm comparing the first five years because in my original post back on page 10 I referred to Rice as "a player who was on a hall of fame path before 2013".You said "Sorry, but Rice wasn't on pace for the HoF...".I guess you made it to the word path and ignored the rest of that sentence lmao.

"Rive would have to do a lot to reach the HoF. Faulk at least won two MVP's, three OPOY awards, and was a first team All-Pro three times to go along with 7 Pro-Bowls."

Rice doesn't have to be Faulk to make it to the HOF.He just needs 6,000 more rush yards and about 2500 more rec yards before voters begin discussing his worthiness.He's only 27 and I think he has that in him.

"CJ2K would have to do a ton considering he's declined every year since that 2000 yard season "

Fair enough,but that was just my opinion.I'm not saying he's a sure thing,but I definitely don't think he's washed up yet.Tennessee's o-line is not what it used to be and the talent around him disappeared.If Vick somehow starts this year and gets to running around and keeping the defense from focusing on CJ,I think it'll give him the same boost that Vince Young's presence gave him in 09 when he was seeing open running lanes on almost every play.

[codizzle]

If rice gets 6,000 more rushing yards, I will buy you a plane ticket to his HOF induction..

I should have money by then

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

If rice gets 6,000 more rushing yards, I will buy you a plane ticket to his HOF induction..

I should have money by then

 

Book that plane ticket right now.Rice has atleast 5 more 1,200 yards seasons in him.If Kubiak stays around long enough he might reach that before 5 years.

[BmoreBird22]

LOL I just can't with you and 5aiah.This is going to be my last debate post in this forum.

 

"Rice was also in the league three years after, not that it matters."

Faulk was just recently drafted into the HOF as a first round inductee in 2011.It takes five years after our last season to be eligible for HOF which means he retired in 06.Rice was drafted in 08.But you're right,none of it matters.

"Rice has had one season of 70 plus catches, and it was actually only 70"

In 2009 he had 78 catches and in 2011 he had 76.If you don't believe me check for yourself.

http://www.nfl.com/player/rayrice/941/profile

"By the way, reading comprehension. What's in between 2010 and 2012? 2011. Two dominant seasons (2010 and 2012) with one in between (2011)." 

My reading comprehension is just fine(can anyone on here have a debate without insulting?).You were alluding to his 2009 and 2011 when you said "two great seasons"'correct?If so,you're leaving out 2010 and 2012.That's why I asked you "Rice's 2010 and 2012 seasons weren't great seasons?".He had 1700+ total yards and 6 total tds in 2010 and 1600+ total yards and 10 total td's in 2012.That's dominating a season in my book.Unless you're trying to say the season in between was dominate too.If that's what you meant then why not just say 3 dominate seasons ?Everyone's brain doesn't think or interpret thing the same way yours does? 

"I'm comparing their careers because the HoF is a career accomplishment, not one earned because he had five good years and then dropped off."

My original post must have completely went over your head.I'm not saying Rice is a hall of famer.I implied that if he kept the same pace and duplicated his first five seasons in his next 5 seasons,those numbers would combine for something HOF worthy.

"I assume your only comparing the first five years because Rice was hurt last year. Why don't we leave out Faulk's third year because he was hurt? "

I'm comparing the first five years because in my original post back on page 10 I referred to Rice as "a player who was on a hall of fame path before 2013".You said "Sorry, but Rice wasn't on pace for the HoF...".I guess you made it to the word path and ignored the rest of that sentence lmao.

"Rive would have to do a lot to reach the HoF. Faulk at least won two MVP's, three OPOY awards, and was a first team All-Pro three times to go along with 7 Pro-Bowls."

Rice doesn't have to be Faulk to make it to the HOF.He just needs 6,000 more rush yards and about 2500 more rec yards before voters begin discussing his worthiness.He's only 27 and I think he has that in him.

"CJ2K would have to do a ton considering he's declined every year since that 2000 yard season "

Fair enough,but that was just my opinion.I'm not saying he's a sure thing,but I definitely don't think he's washed up yet.Tennessee's o-line is not what it used to be and the talent around him disappeared.If Vick somehow starts this year and gets to running around and keeping the defense from focusing on CJ,I think it'll give him the same boost that Vince Young's presence gave him in 09 when he was seeing open running lanes on almost every play.

Why? Because we disagree with you? Because we aren't totally biased toward the Ravens? I thought we were having a good discussion. Sorry I don't believe every Raven is a HoFer.

 

Faulk's last season was in 2005, Rice's first was 2008. It's actually more like a 2.5 year gap in-between.

 

Just so you know, those stats include the playoffs. I was not including the playoffs. If we did, Marshall Faulk got at least 90 receptions twice and even topped 100 once. However, if we want to include the playoffs we should also include the fact that Rice fumbles once every 20-25 touches in the playoffs, which certainly hurts him.

 

I'm going to completely apologize there. I tried to squeeze that post in really quickly before my class started. I did mean the 2009 and 2011 seasons with the 2010 in-between. That is completely my bad and I do apologize for calling you out. Sorry about that. Now, no, I do not consider those 2010 and 2012 seasons to be dominant. We have running backs rushing for 1,600 yards and 10+ rushing touchdowns every season. Why would I be super impressed by Rice getting 1,600 total yards and 10 total touchdowns? To clarify, they were good, but not great. It's just not that impressive to me. His 2011 season was dominant. That was a really great season. 2009 was pretty great as well.

But that's not how it works because Rice was never going to keep up that pace for the next five years. It's just natural that a running back will begin to decline as they get older. He may have made a case to get into the HoF if he kept up that pace, but he likely would never have gotten in. Even before 2013, I truly believe the only running back that was on pace for the HoF was Peterson. Rice just doesn't dominate like Peterson.

I actually forgot what your original post said. I take it post by post and when you started comparing Rice and Faulk's careers, I took it a step further to compare entire careers, not just five years. I mean, hell, even Flacco put up similar stats to Brady for a duration of his career. 

Well, let's take out 2008 and 2013. During that stretch in-between, Rice is getting about 1,200 to 1,300 rushing yards per season and about 600 receiving yards per season. That would mean he'd have to go at that pace for another five years to get the rushing yards and another four years to get those receiving totals. He'd also need to add about 50 more rushing touchdowns and probably another 25 to 30 receiving touchdowns. If he does that, I'll chip in with Codizzle to buy you a ticket to watch his induction speech.

 

He's 29, don't count on CJ2K having some sort of resurgence at this point in his career.

[BmoreBird22]

Book that plane ticket right now.Rice has atleast 5 more 1,200 yards seasons in him.If Kubiak stays around long enough he might reach that before 5 years.

He'll be 30 in three years. That'd be very impressive to see get five more 1,200 yard seasons.

[BMORElegacy]

Do you think we'll see Jimmy follow AJ Green all over the field or keep him on one side like Richard Sherman?

I don't understand the corner staying on one side only like with Sherman or Nnamdi in his Oakland days...

 

If you're a top 5 corner you should be able to follow the other team's number one weapon all over the field. 

[BMORElegacy]

And I'm not a mod but I can't help but feel this debate about Rice's HOF potential shouldn't be taking up space on the Ravens v Bengals thread. 

 

Maybe move it to its on dedicated topic since it is surely worth discussing... just not here IMO. 

[GrimCoconut]

I don't understand the corner staying on one side only like with Sherman or Nnamdi in his Oakland days...

If you're a top 5 corner you should be able to follow the other team's number one weapon all over the field.

Yeah, it makes me wonder why he sticks to one side. When Nnamdi moved to Philly I believe he changed and wasn't stuck to one side and wasn't the same guy as a result. It's all hyperbole but it makes me wonder.

[BMORElegacy]

Yeah, it makes me wonder why he sticks to one side. When Nnamdi moved to Philly I believe he changed and wasn't stuck to one side and wasn't the same guy as a result. It's all hyperbole but it makes me wonder.

Nnamdi under-performed in Philly because he was forced to play in a zone scheme rather than a press man style. Philly took him away from what he was naturally gifted to play.

[BmoreBird22]

I don't understand the corner staying on one side only like with Sherman or Nnamdi in his Oakland days...

 

If you're a top 5 corner you should be able to follow the other team's number one weapon all over the field.

It just places strain on the corners. You have to be very aware of where your opponent is at all times, shadowing can give away your coverage if they motion, and if you're not a fit for the slot, you're SOL if they go to the slot

[The Raven]

Book that plane ticket right now.Rice has atleast 5 more 1,200 yards seasons in him.If Kubiak stays around long enough he might reach that before 5 years.

 

You think Rice could get 1200 yards at 30, 31, and 32? And with Pierce and LT in the stable?

[Blackbirds Rule]

Yeah, it makes me wonder why he sticks to one side. When Nnamdi moved to Philly I believe he changed and wasn't stuck to one side and wasn't the same guy as a result. It's all hyperbole but it makes me wonder.

I think they do it to structure out how the team handles their blitz packages and coverage assignments. They always know which corner is on which side regardless of how the offense lines up.

 

A question I have with that is if you want to have Sherman move around couldn't an offensive team line up trips left to get him to come over there or would he stay on the right side and the other DB's go over to the left?

[Blackbirds Rule]

You think Rice could get 1200 yards at 30, 31, and 32? And with Pierce and LT in the stable?

That's tough I think Ray can have another two productive years of over $1,000 yards but after that he's a 3rd down back or near retirement on that third year. I think Ray misses out on the HOF unless he's has a 2,000 yard season in him along with a 1,400 + season in him. I don't see either happening although I 'd like to see him get it.

[Static]

And I'm not a mod but I can't help but feel this debate about Rice's HOF potential shouldn't be taking up space on the Ravens v Bengals thread.

Maybe move it to its on dedicated topic since it is surely worth discussing... just not here IMO.

Agreed 100%. Take it elsewhere.

Our Ravens are oozing confidence right now. I expect a statement made Sunday. I expect a slow start with mainly inside runs and dump offs. Just until the Bengals stack the box. Then its Flacco time.

[1/28/01]

Rice HoF? Really? I love(d) the guy, but yowzer....not happening.

[1/28/01]

Oh yeah, go Ravens. Beat Cinci!!!

[5aiah]

I don't understand the corner staying on one side only like with Sherman or Nnamdi in his Oakland days...

 

If you're a top 5 corner you should be able to follow the other team's number one weapon all over the field. 

The problem is the top 5 corners doesn't mean they specialize in man coverage. Sherman is a Zone corner first,man guy second. It's a waste to slide him into the slot to follow guys like Steve Johnson because he got worked when he did. But who are these magical corners you speak of that can follow everyone, there was an excellent article on how Pat Pete gets praise for doing that but also gets beaten a lot when he does. Maybe Revis can still do it but I wouldn't bet on it. There is no magical eraser corner in the league right now and there hasn't been since Revis went down. That stuff is a bit overrated....

[Tank 92]

So how 'bout dem Ravens! Think they will beat the bungles?

[BMORElegacy]

The problem is the top 5 corners doesn't mean they specialize in man coverage. Sherman is a Zone corner first,man guy second. It's a waste to slide him into the slot to follow guys like Steve Johnson because he got worked when he did. But who are these magical corners you speak of that can follow everyone, there was an excellent article on how Pat Pete gets praise for doing that but also gets beaten a lot when he does. Maybe Revis can still do it but I wouldn't bet on it. There is no magical eraser corner in the league right now and there hasn't been since Revis went down. That stuff is a bit overrated....

The type of DB that can erase a receiver only comes once in a generation (i.e. pre-injury Revis). I'm not saying every corner should be able to do this... but it certainly is a skill you'd expect the top 1 percent of corners to possess. 

[BmoreBird22]

The type of DB that can erase a receiver only comes once in a generation (i.e. pre-injury Revis). I'm not saying every corner should be able to do this... but it certainly is a skill you'd expect the top 1 percent of corners to possess. 

It's just a very rare thing to find because you have to be able to learn multiple aspects of coverage schemes, be able to play the slot, and just be an overall dominant cornerback. You're not going to find that very often. Revis was probably the only one we'll see for a few years.