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You can only toot the Bengals horn sooo much dude. Might as well switch colors.

[pmr468]

Ravens win this by 2 touchdowns.

[jazz1988]

I'm not one of those guys who will consider legacy and give points for that. In terms of how they run Gio is just better now, I've made a point of saying how  much better the Bengal offensive line has been then ours for years now so im taking that into account. The thing about Rice is that even with him putting on that extra muscle he was still avoiding tackles and diving through them instead of running through them. For a back with his age and mileage that was concerning to see because I thought we had preserved Rice better than any other organization has with their star back. He was a better RB last year, he's going to be more impressive in the open field, and he's only getting better. Rice was the lesser back(for many different reasons),we're hoping he can get back to being that open space guy, but he's only getting older and his style of running attracts questions in a full zone running scheme.

 

 

 

 

 

Right now in my opinion Gio has to show me more  to even consider him a far better running back than Ray Rice. I think Ray Rice is prime  for another pro bowl  year or atleast a very good season. I could turn out to be wrong and Ray Rice just may not be good enough to be a starter at all and just be Bernard Pierce back up.  I'm not really concerned about Ray Rice running in this so called full zone blocking scheme.

 

Our center Zuttah said  back when both him and Rice was in college together they ran a zone blocking scheme and Terrell Davis whom is a former NFl running back who has experience in Gary Kubiak offense even said he thinks Ray Rice will be fine in Gary Kubiak zone blocking scheme and it's not totally zone blocking because they do run man as well.

[flynismo]

Luck is close to elite and likely a future HOFer if he gets the help current elite QBs have. 

 

Is the straw man your calling card? Do you do this just because there are other irrationals on the board and you are hoping for a upvote? Why is it that you are so willing to claim that I said the opposite of what I actually stated?

My point exactly in regards to Luck. It shows how much credibility you have.

 

And what a surprise! Pulling the "everyone misunderstands what I really said card" once again. Maybe we should recruit you for one of the CB spots, you have one helluva backpedal.

[flynismo]

It was not sarcasm, thanks for the rational discussion.

Notice a pattern yet? Everyone else thinks you are trolling or crazy....but I suppose the more likely scenario is that you are the only one who is sane around here, everyone else just doesn't "get it"

[Tank 92]

Notice a pattern yet? Everyone else thinks you are trolling or crazy....but I suppose the more likely scenario is that you are the only one who is sane around here, everyone else just doesn't "get it"

Haha..... I had a wife once that thought the same way. Just kiddin'..........

The comparing of talent has nothing to do with who might win or lose a game, especially in our division. And frankly this whole bungle talent worship thing is getting old. Let's just see them buckle up the chin straps at the Bank and may the better team win.

[ravens533]

There is something that I do not think many people are taking into count when they make predictions about this game. Every veteran on our team remembers just what they felt like at the end of the last game last season. If you think those guys are not out to prove something and will not be giving 110%, then you really do not understand our players. They are proud men. They will not let the Bengals come into our house and beat us. NO WAY is that going to happen. I do not know nor do I care what the final score is as long as we come out of it with the win. I am pretty sure that our players feel the same way.

[5aiah]

Right now in my opinion Gio has to show me more  to even consider him a far better running back than Ray Rice. I think Ray Rice is prime  for another pro bowl  year or atleast a very good season. I could turn out to be wrong and Ray Rice just may not be good enough to be a starter at all and just be Bernard Pierce back up.  I'm not really concerned about Ray Rice running in this so called full zone blocking scheme.

 

Our center Zuttah said  back when both him and Rice was in college together they ran a zone blocking scheme and Terrell Davis whom is a former NFl running back who has experience in Gary Kubiak offense even said he thinks Ray Rice will be fine in Gary Kubiak zone blocking scheme and it's not totally zone blocking because they do run man as well.

I just happen to think Gio is the better pure runner right now and question not Rice's vision which I think is still top tier but his instincts. Lets agree to disagree.

 

My point exactly in regards to Luck. It shows how much credibility you have.

 

And what a surprise! Pulling the "everyone misunderstands what I really said card" once again. Maybe we should recruit you for one of the CB spots, you have one helluva backpedal.

Considering how much Luck does for that offense without a quality offensive line and his leadership ability and how well known those things are, I'd say your statement sheds more light on your own credibility. The dude can ball. Talk about hating.

 

Misunderstanding and using a straw man are two different things, you are mostly the latter. It's mostly just you who I run into this with and even now you are commiting another hilarious fallacy. That your entire way of debating sports as far as I've seen. I never really backpedal, I know what I know and what I don't, when its the latter I learn through discussion and get a better view. 

 

Notice a pattern yet? Everyone else thinks you are trolling or crazy....but I suppose the more likely scenario is that you are the only one who is sane around here, everyone else just doesn't "get it"

Why would you quote that post though? That was a matter of the person not being sure of sarcasm because it's the net and I've been known to use it or perhaps the poster directly witnessing you blatantly misstate what I said and maybe not being sure if he himself was guilty of that. He literally stated the part about not being sure(but being too lazy to check) if he was guilty of the latter, had nothing to do with me. There is no "Everyone else", its just you and your argumentum ad populum based off a few isolated incidents where I took a unpopular stance in a debate, such as the Ray Rice debacle. 

Haha..... I had a wife once that thought the same way. Just kiddin'..........

The comparing of talent has nothing to do with who might win or lose a game, especially in our division. And frankly this whole bungle talent worship thing is getting old. Let's just see them buckle up the chin straps at the Bank and may the better team win.

That's the point I made a long while back, but thanks for the rehash, I guess. Secondly its actually the opposite, someone claimed the Ravens were more talented at all but two positions(albeit refusing to allow DT to be counted), a claim that should leave a person with no credibility to speak of in any objective football discussion, but here it was fine. I'd say its a Ravens talent worship, not that there is anything wrong with that or that it ever gets old. Some of us however, like a less biased view sometimes, nothing wrong with that either.  

[ravensdfan]

 

Considering how much Luck does for that offense without a quality offensive line and his leadership ability and how well known those things are, I'd say your statement sheds more light on your own credibility. The dude can ball. Talk about hating.

 

 

You've missed the point. No one has argued about his ability to ball. He has not done one thing to earn "elite" status or even be in elite talk at the present time. You might be right about him being such things, even about him being a future HoFer, but he certainly has not done anything to warrant that absolute declaration right now.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

That's the point I made a long while back, but thanks for the rehash, I guess. Secondly its actually the opposite, someone claimed the Ravens were more talented at all but two positions(albeit refusing to allow DT to be counted), a claim that should leave a person with no credibility to speak of in any objective football discussion, but here it was fine. I'd say its a Ravens talent worship, not that there is anything wrong with that or that it ever gets old. Some of us however, like a less biased view sometimes, nothing wrong with that either.  

 

Saying that the ravens are a more talented team should leave a poster with no credibility in your book,but saying that Bernard is not just better than Rice(a player who was on a hall of fame path before 2013),but that Rice is "no where near Gio","so far away from him" and "he still isn't close to Gio" is perfectly acceptable to you?How many people in these "objective football discussions" do you think would actually agree with you that a guy with 695 career rushing yards and 514 career rec yards is better than a guy who averaged 1200 rush yards and 600 rec yards before last season?The Owen Daniels one is crazy too but comparing that guy to a player of Rices caliber is as subjective as you can get.It's like me saying Luck is better than Brady because Brady had a down year last year and Luck is trending upward.That's how crazy it sounds.

[Pats]

I just need a quick off topic opinion from ravens fans, is there any significant reason why the ravens can't beat the bengals at home this week? any injuries or worries about the bengals threats? thanks.

[The Raven]

I just need a quick off topic opinion from ravens fans, is there any significant reason why the ravens can't beat the bengals at home this week? any injuries or worries about the bengals threats? thanks.

 

If the offensive line doesn't show up, I think the Ravens lose. That defense is scary. That's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about our offense. I'm also somewhat concerned about our secondary.

[Pats]

If the offensive line doesn't show up, I think the Ravens lose. That defense is scary. That's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about our offense. I'm also somewhat concerned about our secondary.

Ugh I was hoping the holes would be plugged up a bit better this season  I haven't watched any pre season at all. I just have this gut feeling that baltimore won't be beat by them at home, I won't bet the game anymore now though.

[MTRavensFan]

I just need a quick off topic opinion from ravens fans, is there any significant reason why the ravens can't beat the bengals at home this week? any injuries or worries about the bengals threats? thanks.

 

of course we have worries and concerns. They're a very good team.

But a significant reason? I don't think so. I think we're pretty good, too. and no real injuries, CB's a little banged up, but all starting.

[The Raven]

Ugh I was hoping the holes would be plugged up a bit better this season  I haven't watched any pre season at all. I just have this gut feeling that baltimore won't be beat by them at home, I won't bet the game anymore now though.

 

The holes are filled, but I'm not sure it's gonna be 100 percent go on Sunday. 

[BmoreBird22]

Saying that the ravens are a more talented team should leave a poster with no credibility in your book,but saying that Bernard is not just better than Rice(a player who was on a hall of fame path before 2013),but that Rice is "no where near Gio","so far away from him" and "he still isn't close to Gio" is perfectly acceptable to you?How many people in these "objective football discussions" do you think would actually agree with you that a guy with 695 career rushing yards and 514 career rec yards is better than a guy who averaged 1200 rush yards and 600 rec yards before last season?The Owen Daniels one is crazy too but comparing that guy to a player of Rices caliber is as subjective as you can get.It's like me saying Luck is better than Brady because Brady had a down year last year and Luck is trending upward.That's how crazy it sounds.

Sorry, but Rice wasn't on pace for the HoF...

[K-Dog]

Sorry, but Rice wasn't on pace for the HoF...

Maybe for a visit or something...

[Tank 92]

Ugh I was hoping the holes would be plugged up a bit better this season  I haven't watched any pre season at all. I just have this gut feeling that baltimore won't be beat by them at home, I won't bet the game anymore now though.

The line has been reinforced and we ran well with the first team in pre season. Bet the bank!

[BmoreBird22]

Maybe for a visit or something...

This was awesome

[5aiah]

You've missed the point. No one has argued about his ability to ball. He has not done one thing to earn "elite" status or even be in elite talk at the present time. You might be right about him being such things, even about him being a future HoFer, but he certainly has not done anything to warrant that absolute declaration right now.

It depends on your definition of elite. To many I have talked to he's on the border right with Eli and Flacco and some believe him to be better than both. Looks like we just won't agree on this.

 

Saying that the ravens are a more talented team should leave a poster with no credibility in your book,but saying that Bernard is not just better than Rice(a player who was on a hall of fame path before 2013),but that Rice is "no where near Gio","so far away from him" and "he still isn't close to Gio" is perfectly acceptable to you?How many people in these "objective football discussions" do you think would actually agree with you that a guy with 695 career rushing yards and 514 career rec yards is better than a guy who averaged 1200 rush yards and 600 rec yards before last season?The Owen Daniels one is crazy too but comparing that guy to a player of Rices caliber is as subjective as you can get.It's like me saying Luck is better than Brady because Brady had a down year last year and Luck is trending upward.That's how crazy it sounds.

No saying that the Ravens are so much more talented than the Bengals on both offense and defense to the point where they are only weaker at WR and Safety positions, leaves you with no credibility in both my book and in general debates of gridiron football(where its generally agreed Bungles are one of the most talented teams but won't ever win a thing). Your taking that line out of context as well as misstating it. Your focusing on legacy too much, my point is that watching both of them I see Gio as the better pure runner as of right now. You can disagree and say you didn't see that in the tape(depending on how much you've actually seen of Gio) or you can say Rice has fixed the problems that hindered his running ability, but to base your argument on stats leaves you with no real base. Those vanilla stats don't really tell the story. If you wanna use numbers I at least rather you use grading that is derived from watching the tape. Like this:

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/08/31/2014-preview-cincinnati-bengals/

 

 

Lastly, Luck will be better than Brady this season, not because of stats or down and up years, but because he's had another year under the belt and has greater physical tools to work with than Brady. You heard it from me first.

[BMORElegacy]

The O's beat up on the Reds tonight. Time for the Ravens to continue the drubbing of Cincinnati. 

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Sorry, but Rice wasn't on pace for the HoF...

  

 

He was producing almost 2000 yards from scrimmage each year.If you don't think that was hall of fame worthy,go check out Marshall Faulks numbers.Faulk had alot more td's but the yards in the first five years are almost identical.Rice had 5520 rush yards and 2713 rec yards in his first five seasons.Faulk had 5320 rush yards and 2804 rec yards.Faulk was a first ballot HOFer.

[BmoreBird22]

He was producing almost 2000 yards from scrimmage each year.If you don't think that was hall of fame worthy,go check out Marshall Faulks numbers.Faulk had alot more td's but the yards in the first five years are almost identical.Rice had 5520 rush yards and 2713 rec yards in his first five seasons.Faulk had 5320 rush yards and 2804 rec yards.Faulk was a first ballot HOFer.

It doesn't matter if they're putting up similar stats. That's like saying Flacco is going to put up better stats than Terry Bradshaw, he belongs in the HoF. 

 

It doesn't work that way. Marshall Faulk was one of the driving forces for the greatest show on turf, had several seasons of at least 80 catches, is one of the only (maybe the only) running backs to have 1,000 yards rushing and 1,000 yards receiving, and had great touchdown numbers. He was absolutely dominant. Ray Rice is great and all, but he's only had two great seasons that were separated by a season in-between, compared to Faulk having four straight seasons of at least 2,000 total yards, five straight seasons of at least 80 catches, one year leading the league in rushing touchdowns, two times leading in rushing and receiving touchdowns, three times leading the NFL in YPC, and twice leading them in yards from scrimmage. I also don't remember him being apart of a rotation, even if it is a small one where the backup only gets 10 carries, like Pierce.

 

Do not even compare Faulk and Rice. That's just embarrassing to him. Right now, the only back currently on pace to reach the HoF in the NFL today is Adrian Peterson, and he'll go down as one of the greatest to ever play.

[Tank 92]

The O's beat up on the Reds tonight. Time for the Ravens to continue the drubbing of Cincinnati. 

 

 

SWEEEEEP!  Let's continue that theme against the bungles!

[BmoreBird22]

Lastly, Luck will be better than Brady this season, not because of stats or down and up years, but because he's had another year under the belt and has greater physical tools to work with than Brady. You heard it from me first.

I've been on the Luck bandwagon since before he got drafted. Forget Brady

[Drew P]

I've been on the Luck bandwagon since before he got drafted. Forget Brady

 

The guy is physically gifted but he cant take a step into elite status if he continues to throw the INT's

[BmoreBird22]

The guy is physically gifted but he cant take a step into elite status if he continues to throw the INT's

He had one of the lowest interception rates last year. You can't just base it all off his rookie season.

His rookie season featured a patchwork offensive line, no running game, and a Bruce Arians system that asks you to make high risk, high reward types of throws. He also had something like five rookie pass catchers that year.

He's going to be one of the best

[codizzle]

It doesn't matter if they're putting up similar stats. That's like saying Flacco is going to put up better stats than Terry Bradshaw, he belongs in the HoF.

It doesn't work that way. Marshall Faulk was one of the driving forces for the greatest show on turf, had several seasons of at least 80 catches, is one of the only (maybe the only) running backs to have 1,000 yards rushing and 1,000 yards receiving, and had great touchdown numbers. He was absolutely dominant. Ray Rice is great and all, but he's only had two great seasons that were separated by a season in-between, compared to Faulk having four straight seasons of at least 2,000 total yards, five straight seasons of at least 80 catches, one year leading the league in rushing touchdowns, two times leading in rushing and receiving touchdowns, three times leading the NFL in YPC, and twice leading them in yards from scrimmage. I also don't remember him being apart of a rotation, even if it is a small one where the backup only gets 10 carries, like Pierce.

Do not even compare Faulk and Rice. That's just embarrassing to him. Right now, the only back currently on pace to reach the HoF in the NFL today is Adrian Peterson, and he'll go down as one of the greatest to ever play.

One of the best posts I've read in a long time.. It's gotta be good if it's over a paragraph and I read the whole thing lol

Marshall Faulk was so fun to watch

[BmoreBird22]

One of the best posts I've read in a long time.. It's gotta be good if it's over a paragraph and I read the whole thing lol

Marshall Faulk was so fun to watch

I've only really gotten to see highlights of him when he was in his prime, but man, he was just unbelievable

[berad]

He had one of the lowest interception rates last year. You can't just base it all off his rookie season.

His rookie season featured a patchwork offensive line, no running game, and a Bruce Arians system that asks you to make high risk, high reward types of throws. He also had something like five rookie pass catchers that year.

He's going to be one of the best

 

If you include this year, you have to include the 7 picks in 2 playoff games