Ravens restructure Webb's contract

[I AM LEGEND]

Im a little apprehensive about handing torrey/jimmy money. Both have some red flags. Torrey being highly inconsistent, Jimmy being highly injury prone.

If it is an extension, i hope there is alot of incentive/injury clause in the contract to save us from bad contract

Couldnt agree more. Love both of them. But apprehensive is an understatement. Both have been inconsistent. And I like Torrey alot..has been nothing but a pure professional during his time in Baltimore

[acranfor]

Im a little apprehensive about handing torrey/jimmy money. Both have some red flags. Torrey being highly inconsistent, Jimmy being highly injury prone.

If it is an extension, i hope there is alot of incentive/injury clause in the contract to save us from bad contract

Calling Torrey inconsistent is fair, but he still deserves to be retained. We will not let him walk unless another team pays him top tier WR money, which is unlikely.

Jimmy deserves an extension because he is our best CB, and is NOT injury prone. People throw that term around too lightly. He has had a sprained ankle and now a bruised chest (which he could play through). They are not related at all. Injury prone means you hav inherently weak parts of your body that are susceptible to injury. Like Webb or Bradford with their knees. Just because you have had multiple injuries does not mean you are prone to them.

[acranfor]

Here's how I see this trade situation that's being speculated: 

 

QB: Flacco isn't a problem. Tyrod's likely the back-up and we seem content with it. Unlikely additions. 

RB: Pierce hasn't stayed healthy but looked good in the first two games. Looked poor last game and he's hurt. Taliaferro looked great. Forsett looked really good last game. Unlikely trade. 

TE: Pitta is locked up. Gilmore is developmental. Juszczyk could even be included here, and he's looked awesome. Perhaps we want someone due to Daniels' but I don't think it's highly likely. Maybe. 

OL: Monroe re-signed. KO looks healthy and pretty good. Zuttah was a traded acquisition. Yanda looks good. Wagner looks solid. We need depth at guard if anything, but it's not pressing...only to get rid of Shipley!

WR: The Smiths are solid. Jones didn't look too good last game but his salary means he won't get released. Brown has been shaky but last year buys him time. Campanaro was acquired with a pick next year. We have a bevy of talent as well fighting for a 6th spot. Highly unlikely. 

 

DL: Ngata and Canty are veterans and won't be cut. Jernigan was drafted. Williams looks dominant. Tyson looks good. Maybe a depth guy, but we use McPhee and Upshaw as DL guys too on certain situations, making it less pressing. 

OLB: Suggs extended, Dumervil signed and is dominant. McPhee is in his final year. Upshaw won't go anywhere. Simon has looked poor but I'm not sure we cut him yet after one year with the praise we've given him. I don't see a need here. 

ILB: Stacked. 

CB: Webb, Smith and Jackson are injured. Jackson hasn't played any meaningful defensive snaps in real games. Brown hasn't looked great. Franks has looked shaky but average. It's not a terrible group. We just added Cox. I think it's unlikely we trade for anyone here. 

S: Elam and Brooks were drafted. Levine has versatility and plays teams. Trawick plays teams, too. Miles is highly liked by the staff. Stewart is a bit shaky as a FS and causes Elam to play out of position. This is most likely, but even then, the market of possibilities is low. 

 

I honestly don't think we're targeting any starters. Maybe some depth guys, but I don't see us making a trade. I could be wrong. I think this is a case of much ado about nothing.

Agree with all this. Similar to my summary. I think if we trade it will be for depth. Starting FS is our only true hole, but a trade would be too near sighted for the ravens when they already have 2 potential future starters on the roster.

Extension(s) make sense on the surface, but why would Ozzie restructure and inflate our future cap hits for an extension? Also, to reiterate my earlier question, does an extension warrant more present cap space? Thought it was present contract + new deal...

[redrum52]

Im a little apprehensive about handing torrey/jimmy money. Both have some red flags. Torrey being highly inconsistent, Jimmy being highly injury prone.

If it is an extension, i hope there is alot of incentive/injury clause in the contract to save us from bad contract

We seem to be giving out a lot of those lately.

[tolucaraven]

Ozzie usually likes cap room before a season starts in case something happens and you need somebody. Its possible à trade could happen. Having one of you top corners with a back issue lasting a full year without reaggravating it is a big risk.  A trade wouldnt surprise me with all the comp picks we have next year and the two picks for McKinnie and Rolando...they have the peices to trade and space to afford it.

[jazz1988]

That sounds like a masterplan to me. Some fans don't wanna hear it but Canty isn't irreplaceable. I'd like to see Robert Quinn join the D line. He works hard and can groom the rookies.

Thoughts??

 

 Robert Quinn would not be a  defensive end here  and  The Rams are not going to let him go or trade him anytime soon.

[jazz1988]

Im a little apprehensive about handing torrey/jimmy money. Both have some red flags. Torrey being highly inconsistent, Jimmy being highly injury prone.

If it is an extension, i hope there is alot of incentive/injury clause in the contract to save us from bad contract

 

People say Torrey Smith is inconsistent and he needs work to on his route running which may be true but the guy presences alone helps just about every receiver on the field. Just about every opposing defensive team fear Torrey Smith speed and there's lots of guys out there just as fast but what makes Smith dangerous is because he's a proven deep threat and he's proven to make the big play deep down the field. The fact that Smith  is such a proven deep threat only opens up the middle of the field  to allow Pitta to do what he does best and overall allows the rest of the receivers to do what they do best.

 

Jimmy Smith is clearly our best cornerback on the team and I don't  think it will be easy  to find a guy with his size and speed again. He demostrated last year how much he improve and he basically shut down elite/really good receivers such as Brandon Marshall,Calvin Johnson, and Josh Gordon. He even  looked pretty good going against Dez Bryant in the preseason before he had to be taking out the game because of his bruise lung.  I don't know if Webb restructure contract means a extension is coming for both Smith's but these are guys that absolutely need to be Ravens for a long time in my opinion.

[ellicottraven]

Has to be 3rd CB or FS.

Don't be shocked if it is a D-Tackle or End as well...

[ravensfan160]

If it's anything it is an extension for Torrey since he is a free agent next year. I can't see us trading for anybody. I realize there is a ton of talk in the media about us needing a corner but thats just because our top 3 guys are hurt and they should be back for week 1.

[GrimCoconut]

If it's anything it is an extension for Torrey since he is a free agent next year. I can't see us trading for anybody. I realize there is a ton of talk in the media about us needing a corner but thats just because our top 3 guys are hurt and they should be back for week 1.

Yeah I agree with you. That's how I see it. I think it would be good to lock up Torrey now than wait until after he has what looks to be a good year under Kubiak combined with an increased cap next year as projected.

I think the third CB situation is now similar to our RT situation earlier this year. I'm not saying that we'll be fine but I think ours beginning to get blown out of proportion.

[acranfor]

If it's anything it is an extension for Torrey since he is a free agent next year. I can't see us trading for anybody. I realize there is a ton of talk in the media about us needing a corner but thats just because our top 3 guys are hurt and they should be back for week 1.

Although that I agree that a trade is not very characteristic of the Ravens, and that we are more than adequate at CB despite what the media says; an extension just does not make sense to me. As I have stated above (and still have not really received or figured out an answer), why would Ozzie restructure a contract for an extension?

 

Restructuring Webb's contract pushed money off to future years, adding 1M to years 2015, 2016 and 2017. It would make sense to me that we would need more money in the future for an extension, not less? Also, an extension typically keeps money the same or decreases it for the current year. Why would we need 3M this year for an extension?

 

An extension for Torrey, Jimmy, Tucker, Ngata, Yanda is not pressing enough to make Ozzie restructure a contract and inflate future year cap numbers in my opinion. All mysterious to me.

 

The answer could be a simple one; that the Ravens just need some buffer once the rule of 51 is up.

[GrimCoconut]

Don't be shocked if it is a D-Tackle or End as well...

I wouldn't mind if we signed free agent DT Nate Collins.

[Blackbirds Rule]

Although that I agree that a trade is not very characteristic of the Ravens, and that we are more than adequate at CB despite what the media says; an extension just does not make sense to me. As I have stated above (and still have not really received or figured out an answer), why would Ozzie restructure a contract for an extension?

 

Restructuring Webb's contract pushed money off to future years, adding 1M to years 2015, 2016 and 2017. It would make sense to me that we would need more money in the future for an extension, not less? Also, an extension typically keeps money the same or decreases it for the current year. Why would we need 3M this year for an extension?

 

An extension for Torrey, Jimmy, Tucker, Ngata, Yanda is not pressing enough to make Ozzie restructure a contract and inflate future year cap numbers in my opinion. All mysterious to me.

 

The answer could be a simple one; that the Ravens just need some buffer once the rule of 51 is up.

Or they could be gearing up to make an offer on a high priced vet that gets cut due to his salary. I think our team is in relatively great shape and if we could make a move or two to enhance it without going into salary cap purgatory I think that's what we'll do. Torrey and Jimmy won't be extended they'll just be signed before free agency starts.

[Cillmatic]

Jimmy's contract is WAY more important than Torrey's, it's very hard to find a shutdown corner and in this league and OUR division(Gordan, Green, Brown) a shutdown corner is extremely helpful. Torrey's not just a speed reciever, who like most of our receiver core, has problems running routes.

[GrimCoconut]

Jimmy's contract is WAY more important than Torrey's, it's very hard to find a shutdown corner and in this league and OUR division(Gordan, Green, Brown) a shutdown corner is extremely helpful. Torrey's not just a speed reciever, who like most of our receiver core, has problems running routes.

I agree. Between the two, I think it is critical we lockdown our shutdown CB, Jimmy Smith. We're not going to do it yet, because we have him for two more years, but I think it's a no brainer to do it now while the cap is low and his ceiling is high.

[arnie_uk]

That sounds like a masterplan to me. Some fans don't wanna hear it but Canty isn't irreplaceable. I'd like to see Robert Quinn join the D line. He works hard and can groom the rookies.

Thoughts??

Seriously robert quinn? That trade would likely take joe flacco. One of the best young talents in the league.

[beanfigger]

Seriously robert quinn? That trade would likely take joe flacco. One of the best young talents in the league.

Nah, we'll get him. And while we're at it, we'll just grab Jamaal Charles and Earl Thomas on the way out of make believe town.

[GrimCoconut]

Nah, we'll get him. And while we're at it, we'll just grab Jamaal Charles and Earl Thomas on the way out of make believe town.

Forget that. I'm not greedy. Just give me Thomas. FS position solved for years again.

[beanfigger]

Forget that. I'm not greedy. Just give me Thomas. FS position solved for years again.

You're too conservative for make believe town.

[radicals]

So much speculation with this move... It's hard to think of players we could trade for

[bMore Heathen]

Seriously robert quinn? That trade would likely take joe flacco. One of the best young talents in the league.

Not to mention Quinn would be an OLB for us, not a DE. And why would St. Louis want to trade him? Makes very little sense.

[ellicottraven]

Jimmy's contract is WAY more important than Torrey's, it's very hard to find a shutdown corner and in this league and OUR division(Gordan, Green, Brown) a shutdown corner is extremely helpful. Torrey's not just a speed reciever, who like most of our receiver core, has problems running routes.

You are correct and I tend to agree with your assessment. It is near impossible to find a shut down corner while it is possible to find a decent speed receiver...

[ravensfan160]

You are correct and I tend to agree with your assessment. It is near impossible to find a shut down corner while it is possible to find a decent speed receiver...

How long have you been a Ravens fan? That might be easy for some teams but we swung and missed more times than I can count.

 

Also, Jimmy is under contract for next year thanks to the 5th year option. Torrey on the other hand is a free agent. That by default makes getting a deal done with Torrey first more important.

[redrum52]

How long have you been a Ravens fan? That might be easy for some teams but we swung and missed more times than I can count.

 

Also, Jimmy is under contract for next year thanks to the 5th year option. Torrey on the other hand is a free agent. That by default makes getting a deal done with Torrey first more important.

What you said, but part of me wants Torrey to go to another team, preferably another contender, to see what he could do since so many people here seem to doubt him or under appreciate him.

[GrimCoconut]

How long have you been a Ravens fan? That might be easy for some teams but we swung and missed more times than I can count.

Also, Jimmy is under contract for next year thanks to the 5th year option. Torrey on the other hand is a free agent. That by default makes getting a deal done with Torrey first more important.

Yeah. Torrey is definitely the one who broke the curse, so to speak. Before him, we had failure after failure. Then again, that also could be a combination of poor QB play, poor coaching and poor coordinating.

Torrey is definitely important. Between the two, I'd rather sign Jimmy now and let Torrey play out his deal than vice versa, but if anyone gets extended it'll be Torrey before Jimmy. It's just the reality.

Torrey has really benefited from some great WR. Mason, if only briefly, Boldin and now Steve Smith Sr. Pretty nice to get coached and learn from those guys.

[redlobster]

I don't think Ngata should be extended as I see him retiring or being released next year, as I believe the Ravens will realize 8.5 million in cap savings if he is released next year.

[ellicottraven]

How long have you been a Ravens fan? That might be easy for some teams but we swung and missed more times than I can count.

 

Also, Jimmy is under contract for next year thanks to the 5th year option. Torrey on the other hand is a free agent. That by default makes getting a deal done with Torrey first more important.

I've been a fan since we became a franchise. I don't dispute your logic because it isn't very complicated. However, with the cap going up each year by leaps and bounds, the really good CBs are going to start making astronomical sums of money. It may in fact be a smart decision to lock up Jimmy before he becomes unattainable was my point... and frankly they may indeed wait till next year to lock him up, but they would save a lot by locking him up

[Tank 92]

I don't think Ngata should be extended as I see him retiring or being released next year, as I believe the Ravens will realize 8.5 million in cap savings if he is released next year.

 

won't happen

[redlobster]

won't happen

 

So what do you think? I know for almost 100% certainty he will not be on the team with a cap figure of 16 million next year. He has talked on more than one occasion about retirement and I would be extremely worried about extending him only to see that money blow up in the ravens faces because he under-performs or straight out retires.

[Tank 92]

So what do you think? I know for almost 100% certainty he will not be on the team with a cap figure of 16 million next year. He has talked on more than one occasion about retirement and I would be extremely worried about extending him only to see that money blow up in the ravens faces because he under-performs or straight out retires.

He mentioned retirement a couple of years ago, but to my knowledge hasn't mentioned it since. We'll see what this year brings, but I think he stays healthy and plays well again this year. Even in his off years he was extremely valuable to the squad. And though it's not the norm, I think the FO finds a way to lower the $16 mil. hit. Have we ever had such a situation? Can't think of one. I guess the closest may be Webb?