Ravens restructure Webb's contract

[acranfor]

So who would be available then? We freed up enough for a starter, not just a depth player. I'm thinking FS would be the position since we have Elam at his natural SS position. But who would it be? 

I personally think FS is our biggest issue on this team. Playing Stewart at FS has such a large domino effect. It prevents Elam from focusing only on the run and underneath routes, forces a lot of Cover 2 and hinders our run defense a little since we need to drop more players. I think our defense would benefit immensely if we had a FS capable of playing single high Cover 1/Cover 3, instead of playing 2 strong safeties. A lot of articles keep stating that we moved Elam over to SS when in fact we have not changed at all from last year.

 

HOWEVER, I cannot see a justification for a trade here. It would be very near sighted. We already have two players on the roster capable of playing true free safety in Brooks and Hill - they just are not capable at the moment (lack of experience and suspension).

[GrimCoconut]

Who would we trade for to play FS? I don't see many options. Ideally it would be someone for one year since you just drafted Brooks and Brooks has looked better as a safety. We also hold potential with Hill as well. We typically trade for guys in their final year, so I would be someone similar. I don't see Rahim Moore or Devin McCourty leaving their respective teams. Those guys just don't have the depth behind them to make such a trade.

[Blackbirds Rule]

Who would we trade for to play FS? I don't see many options. Ideally it would be someone for one year since you just drafted Brooks and Brooks has looked better as a safety. We also hold potential with Hill as well. We typically trade for guys in their final year, so I would be someone similar. I don't see Rahim Moore or Devin McCourty leaving their respective teams. Those guys just don't have the depth behind them to make such a trade.

I could see us maye make a move for a DE that owuld either replace Canty or add to our front and then we could just IR or waive Cody.

[B-more Ravor]

Didn't realize we would have been that close to the cap once the rule of 51 is no longer in effect.  Could be some additional cushion, as Brian said...

 

Brian McFarland ‏@RavensSalaryCap  5m

(1/3) Remember, only top 51 count against Cap now. As of next week, everyone - 53roster+IR+PUP+PS+Suspended (less games susp) - will count.

 

Brian McFarland ‏@RavensSalaryCap  5m

(2/3) Present projected FULL Roster - pre-Webb restructure - would have been really close to Cap (pending a few likely injury settlements)

 

Brian McFarland ‏@RavensSalaryCap  4m

(3/3) So, Webb restructure may have been as much about creating additional needed cushion, as it was about creating room for something else

 

 

To be clear, I'm not saying that they aren't going to sign someone else, but I doubt it's going to be a big acquisition as far as money goes. Anyone signed to a minimum deal (or close to it), isn't going to be taking up much new space, since whoever they replace is likely making pretty similar money (+/- a couple $100K).

 

They will likely get some of that space back with injury settlements for Van Sloten, Chapas and/or Rackley, unless those are season ending injuries.  If not, those guys likely have split salaries in their deals, so even if on IR for the whole year, they'll make only around $300K instead of $420-570K.

 

So, they've still got the ability to makes some moves, I just would expect them to go out and acquire a guy making several million dollars in base salary.

[bertopr]

Janaris Jenkins?

[Ravenskid52752]

Janaris Jenkins?

I like him as a player. but with Steve Smith here I don't see it happen they have serious beef that would be a problem in the locker room.

[rmw10]

To be clear, I'm not saying that they aren't going to sign someone else, but I doubt it's going to be a big acquisition as far as money goes. Anyone signed to a minimum deal (or close to it), isn't going to be taking up much new space, since whoever they replace is likely making pretty similar money (+/- a couple $100K).

 

They will likely get some of that space back with injury settlements for Van Sloten, Chapas and/or Rackley, unless those are season ending injuries.  If not, those guys likely have split salaries in their deals, so even if on IR for the whole year, they'll make only around $300K instead of $420-570K.

 

So, they've still got the ability to makes some moves, I just would expect them to go out and acquire a guy making several million dollars in base salary.

 

Yep I understood what you were saying.  Once the restructure was announced though, a lot of people (including myself) kind of jumped to the conclusion that we were interested in adding in a more prominent, and thus more expensive, type of player.

[billick]

Maybe we can sign Boldin ?

[bertopr]

I like him as a player. but with Steve Smith here I don't see it happen they have serious beef that would be a problem in the locker room.

Oh yea u right...Maurice Claiborne? Or Atturn Verner Tenn?

[Drew P]

Just looking position by position from a logical ('fan logical') standpoint:

 

QB - I think we are fine with Taylor for now at backup

RB - depth is adequate, no need

FB - I think we are ok with Juice, and there would be no need to trade for someone at a non-dynamic position

WR - possibility if the opportunity arises to give us a future. BUT dont see much need for the present.

TE - This could be a possibility. Pitta is the number 1, but there is uncertainty with Daniels. Is 2 TEs that important to Kub?

OL - depth is the only issue, and not sure we need 6-7M in space for depth?? Still some potential I guess.

 

CB - The obvious choice for everyone, although do we need 6-7M for a 3rd CB? Makes the Cox pickup a little confusing too?

S - We have an immediate need at FS since Stewart is a SS, Brooks is a rookie and Hill is out? Low probability though.

LB - Not much need here, unless we land a young OLB behind Suggs and move McPhee back to DE full time

DT - No Need. Good rotation of Ngata, Tyson, Jernigan, Williams

DE - Only have Canty and McPhee w/ some help from the DTs. This is a possibility.

 

 

Good summary any potential trade names other than Bynes and Deonte? Somebody from left field?

[billick]

Duhhh, a real NFL caliber back up QB ?

[Ravenatic20]

Probably much to do about nothing.

[airconteka1]

Hopefully they resign one of the Smiths and get one of them out of the way.

[SomeCreepinaVan]

I'd rather see this money go to our beloved and invested players like Torrey and Jimmy than some phantom need at CB, which will probably be a scrub.

 

The money cleared from Boldin trade went to a bunch of scrub Defense guys, and the fan's were saying how great Ozzie was for rebuilding our defense with Boldin's money, lol. Tired of scrubs getting future ravens' money and late round picks being traded for scrubs.

 

Thompson is better than Jones and if he gets traded I'll be pissed.

[hawkprey]

This has to be Torrey extension. Could possibly be Jimmy but I think that will be for next offseason.

[jazz1988]

I'd rather see this money go to our beloved and invested players like Torrey and Jimmy than some phantom need at CB, which will probably be a scrub.

 

The money cleared from Boldin trade went to a bunch of scrub Defense guys, and the fan's were saying how great Ozzie was for rebuilding our defense with Boldin's money, lol. Tired of scrubs getting future ravens' money and late round picks being traded for scrubs.

 

Thompson is better than Jones and if he gets traded I'll be pissed.

 

That extra money was able to help us sign Chris Canty, Elvis Dumervil, and Daryl Smith whom all three are far from scrubs

[BmoreBird22]

That extra money was able to help us sign Chris Canty, Elvis Dumervil, and Daryl Smith whom all three are far from scrubs

Beat me to it

[codizzle]

Duhhh, a real NFL caliber starting QB ?

Fixed!! Right??

[808Blackbirds]

michael sam?

[codizzle]

michael sam?

No... Not at all what we need

[SecretAgentMan]

If there is a trade. A CB, or maybe a WR in the works?

[harfordravenfan]

Maybe we can sign Boldin ?

really made me lol

[52520Andrew]

This is interesting, no clue why they would clear it if a move isn't coming so we will see what happens. I would be on alert

[Gordo52]

I too, am intrigued.

The Jimmy extension time?

[acranfor]

not sure if this was answered, but do we need to clear money in 2014 for extensions? I thought any kind of extension would affect future cap years only? If anything, they typically lower present year hits.

I'm not sure Ozzie would restructure a contract just for extensions to be done. Especially when they are not pressing.

[acranfor]

Good summary any potential trade names other than Bynes and Deonte? Somebody from left field?

I think we trade draft picks over players. I guess players could be traded, but think draft picks will be the main currency.

As for possible player we get? Honestly no clue what so ever. Josh Gordon????

[admartian]

Has to be 3rd CB or FS.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I think I would prefer to get Jimmy done now rather than Torrey just because of how many good wide receivers there are going to be next year in free agency.  With the market next year full of WR's that will garnish more money than Torrey, I think we can get him for a good deal for both parties.

Im a little apprehensive about handing torrey/jimmy money. Both have some red flags. Torrey being highly inconsistent, Jimmy being highly injury prone.

If it is an extension, i hope there is alot of incentive/injury clause in the contract to save us from bad contract

[RaginRaven]

I could see us maye make a move for a DE that owuld either replace Canty or add to our front and then we could just IR or waive Cody.

That sounds like a masterplan to me. Some fans don't wanna hear it but Canty isn't irreplaceable. I'd like to see Robert Quinn join the D line. He works hard and can groom the rookies.

Thoughts??

[GrimCoconut]

Here's how I see this trade situation that's being speculated: 

 

QB: Flacco isn't a problem. Tyrod's likely the back-up and we seem content with it. Unlikely additions. 

RB: Pierce hasn't stayed healthy but looked good in the first two games. Looked poor last game and he's hurt. Taliaferro looked great. Forsett looked really good last game. Unlikely trade. 

TE: Pitta is locked up. Gilmore is developmental. Juszczyk could even be included here, and he's looked awesome. Perhaps we want someone due to Daniels' but I don't think it's highly likely. Maybe. 

OL: Monroe re-signed. KO looks healthy and pretty good. Zuttah was a traded acquisition. Yanda looks good. Wagner looks solid. We need depth at guard if anything, but it's not pressing...only to get rid of Shipley!

WR: The Smiths are solid. Jones didn't look too good last game but his salary means he won't get released. Brown has been shaky but last year buys him time. Campanaro was acquired with a pick next year. We have a bevy of talent as well fighting for a 6th spot. Highly unlikely. 

 

DL: Ngata and Canty are veterans and won't be cut. Jernigan was drafted. Williams looks dominant. Tyson looks good. Maybe a depth guy, but we use McPhee and Upshaw as DL guys too on certain situations, making it less pressing. 

OLB: Suggs extended, Dumervil signed and is dominant. McPhee is in his final year. Upshaw won't go anywhere. Simon has looked poor but I'm not sure we cut him yet after one year with the praise we've given him. I don't see a need here. 

ILB: Stacked. 

CB: Webb, Smith and Jackson are injured. Jackson hasn't played any meaningful defensive snaps in real games. Brown hasn't looked great. Franks has looked shaky but average. It's not a terrible group. We just added Cox. I think it's unlikely we trade for anyone here. 

S: Elam and Brooks were drafted. Levine has versatility and plays teams. Trawick plays teams, too. Miles is highly liked by the staff. Stewart is a bit shaky as a FS and causes Elam to play out of position. This is most likely, but even then, the market of possibilities is low. 

 

I honestly don't think we're targeting any starters. Maybe some depth guys, but I don't see us making a trade. I could be wrong. I think this is a case of much ado about nothing.