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Ravens restructure Webb's contract

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Wow ... that is a tell, for sure. We already had 4M available, so to do this now would indicate something significant. It would seem it would have to be in the works already, for us to make what would appear to be a preemptive move. 

 

I'm pretty sure that any move that would require that kind of additional space - if it involves a trade - that trade won't be met by moving Deonte Thompson or Josh Bynes. If such a thing comes to pass, we'll be parting with a significant future draft pick, I would suspect. 

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Maybe not a trade. Perhaps an extension for Torrey or Jimmy?

Good point - that too is a possibility. But no doubt, to do this now indicates something is up.

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It's been an exciting day so far.

 

Maybe not a trade. Perhaps an extension for Torrey or Jimmy?

 

Tucker, maybe?

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Good for Lardarius, good for us.

 

Maybe this is the harbinger for bigger news? Maybe they're just clearing space to have on-hand for bargain-hunting in the next round of cuts?

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Clears $3M this year.  That's an awful lot to clear for no reason.

 

 

This move gives the team over $7 million in cap space.Ozzie has to be doing this because has his eye on someone.I'm about to take a look at what cb's are in the last year or two of their deals.I don't think we have an other position that needs a player that would require that much cap space unless Owen Daniels recovering leg is worst than is being reported.

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Maybe not a trade. Perhaps an extension for Torrey or Jimmy?

 

An extension wouldn't change Torrey or Jimmy's cap number for this year.

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This move gives the team over $7 million in cap space.Ozzie has to be doing this because has his eye on someone.I'm about to take a look at what cb's are in the last year or two of their deals.I don't think we have an other position that needs a player that would require that much cap space unless Owen Daniels recovering leg is worst than is being reported.

 

If that's true, I'd cut that dude before his salary gets guaranteed

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Either extension for another player or trade.

What team would trade a valuable asset before the season tho......besides the Pats.

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Trade for DL/DE to remove Cody or upgrade Canty? Trade for a vet corner? Trade for another TE to remove Daniels? I'm excited and don't what I'm excited about. lol

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Ravens are $6.95 million under the cap according to Aaron Wilson

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It would be too simple to trade for a corner...instead they'll trade for a position no one expects or wants.

But lets say its a corner..we can narrow it down by:

looking for a team outside of the division.

Not looking at a contender

A corner and with only 1-3 years left or not playing on their rookie contract

A team who realistically doesnt expect much from this year

Texans

Raiders

Rams

*shrugs*

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Not even with bonuses?

 

 

I could be wrong,but I don't remember hearing about a player signing an extension and having their cap number go up in that year.If anything it usually brings it down.Just look at what we did with Suggs a few months ago.

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This move gives the team over $7 million in cap space.Ozzie has to be doing this because has his eye on someone.I'm about to take a look at what cb's are in the last year or two of their deals.I don't think we have an other position that needs a player that would require that much cap space unless Owen Daniels recovering leg is worst than is being reported.

Let us know who the best CBs available are when you do your research.

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It would be too simple to trade for a corner...instead they'll trade for a position no one expects or wants.

But lets say its a corner..we can narrow it down by:

looking for a team outside of the division.

Not looking at a contender

A corner and with only 1-3 years left or not playing on their rookie contract

A team who realistically doesnt expect much from this year

Texans

Raiders

Rams

*shrugs*

Giants have a plethora
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I could be wrong,but I don't remember hearing about a player signing an extension and having their cap number go up in that year.If anything it usually brings it down.Just look at what we did with Suggs a few months ago.

It may not bring it up, but in the case of Suggs, it was an extension to spread a bonus out

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Doesn't excess cap space carry over into next year? Maybe it was easier to restructure for this season somehow, and we are preparing to have extra cash available for the younger Smiths and Tucker next year. I'm not predicting that's the reason because I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was to prepare for a move coming soon, but it might be possible that we are just thinking ahead.

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Doesn't excess cap space carry over into next year? Maybe it was easier to restructure for this season somehow, and we are preparing to have extra cash available for the younger Smiths and Tucker next year. I'm not predicting that's the reason because I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was to prepare for a move coming soon, but it might be possible that we are just thinking ahead.

 

It does, but that's still a lot of money to clear in preparation, especially being that Webb's cap number is only going to go up and he doesn't exactly have the best health record.

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Let's go outside the box and get crazy. I say we are getting Vernon Davis. He has voiced his displeasure with San Fran already and held out a bit early on. He went to Maryland and is good friends with Torrey Smith. Kubiak always has liked two tightends and Daniels isn't cutting it. Davis has always been a great blocker which means Pitta can be freed up as the "move" tightend. We have obviously made trades with San Fran before look at Boldin. Plus the 49ers have a lot of players needed catches with Sevie Johnson and Crabtree back.

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It does, but that's still a lot of money to clear in preparation, especially being that Webb's cap number is only going to go up and he doesn't exactly have the best health record.

At the very least, though, it's an added benefit if whatever move we are planning to do now doesn't work out.

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Let's go outside the box and get crazy. I say we are getting Vernon Davis. He has voiced his displeasure with San Fran already and held out a bit early on. He went to Maryland and is good friends with Torrey Smith. Kubiak always has liked two tightends and Daniels isn't cutting it. Davis has always been a great blocker which means Pitta can be freed up as the "move" tightend. We have obviously made trades with San Fran before look at Boldin. Plus the 49ers have a lot of players needed catches with Sevie Johnson and Crabtree back.

This would probably be one of the craziest possible moves

His cap hit is just slightly too high, though, so it would require trading a pick and player

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This news has me checking my phone every 30 seconds for an update like a crackhead.  

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This would probably be one of the craziest possible moves

His cap hit is just slightly too high, though, so it would require trading a pick and player

 

Would Davis' dead money factor in, he's got ~$4M of that? Not sure, just asking

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Would Davis' dead money factor in, he's got ~$4M of that? Not sure, just asking

You're right, just the base salary

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Let's go outside the box and get crazy. I say we are getting Vernon Davis. He has voiced his displeasure with San Fran already and held out a bit early on. He went to Maryland and is good friends with Torrey Smith. Kubiak always has liked two tightends and Daniels isn't cutting it. Davis has always been a great blocker which means Pitta can be freed up as the "move" tightend. We have obviously made trades with San Fran before look at Boldin. Plus the 49ers have a lot of players needed catches with Sevie Johnson and Crabtree back.

If that's the case then we're trading for Alex Boone lol.
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Let us know who the best CBs available are when you do your research.

 

 

Kareem Jackson is the only player I could see us trading for if Ozzie is looking at db's.He is in the last year of his contract,is playing for a team with 0 hope of winning their division,he's a texan which means it's just a matter of time before he becomes a raven anyway lol and his cap number for this year is 4.3 million which would justify us needing to free up that much space.

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Oline depth?

If it was for depth, our 4 mil would be more than enough, so no need for the re-structure

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Anyway, I'll speculate and say it might be James Casey from Philadelphia whose base salary is just barely under $4m. We could cut Daniels and fit him under the cap. It would make sense to me, as you could do a double set with Casey and Juszczyk together and really confuse defenses and get Juszczyk to learn from Casey.

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Kareem Jackson is the only player I could see us trading for if Ozzie is looking at db's.He is in the last year of his contract,is playing for a team with 0 hope of winning their division,he's a texan which means it's just a matter of time before he becomes a ravens anyway lol and his cap number for this year is 4.3 million which would justify us needing to free up that much space.

 

I could be wrong but I doubt that happens.

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Kareem Jackson is the only player I could see us trading for if Ozzie is looking at db's.He is in the last year of his contract,is playing for a team with 0 hope of winning their division,he's a texan which means it's just a matter of time before he becomes a raven anyway lol and his cap number for this year is 4.3 million which would justify us needing to free up that much space.

What's his base salary

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I could be wrong,but I don't remember hearing about a player signing an extension and having their cap number go up in that year.If anything it usually brings it down.Just look at what we did with Suggs a few months ago.

Depends on the player. For a vet like Suggs, who already has a big contract, yes - that number will go down after an extension is signed. However, when the player is on his rookie contract, then the extension will likely cause the current year's cap number to go up.

 

I'd have to go back and look, but I have a feeling when we gave Webb his current contract, it was an extension in order to keep him from being a restricted free agent. I have a feeling his cap number for that first year went up. 

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Depends on the player. For a vet like Suggs, who already has a big contract, yes - that number will go down after an extension is signed. However, when the player is on his rookie contract, then the extension will likely cause the current year's cap number to go up.

I'd have to go back and look, but I have a feeling when we gave Webb his current contract, it was an extension in order to keep him from being a restricted free agent. I have a feeling his cap number for that first year went up.

I don't think it did but that doesn't mean it didn't. I don't recall his cap number increasing from the tender. But with that said, I wouldn't mind if we extended Jimmy or Torrey now rather than waiting. I'd rather get that off the books and bite the bullet on the money this year when we have room to spare.
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Just looking position by position from a logical ('fan logical') standpoint:

 

QB - I think we are fine with Taylor for now at backup

RB - depth is adequate, no need

FB - I think we are ok with Juice, and there would be no need to trade for someone at a non-dynamic position

WR - possibility if the opportunity arises to give us a future. BUT dont see much need for the present.

TE - This could be a possibility. Pitta is the number 1, but there is uncertainty with Daniels. Is 2 TEs that important to Kub?

OL - depth is the only issue, and not sure we need 6-7M in space for depth?? Still some potential I guess.

 

CB - The obvious choice for everyone, although do we need 6-7M for a 3rd CB? Makes the Cox pickup a little confusing too?

S - We have an immediate need at FS since Stewart is a SS, Brooks is a rookie and Hill is out? Low probability though.

LB - Not much need here, unless we land a young OLB behind Suggs and move McPhee back to DE full time

DT - No Need. Good rotation of Ngata, Tyson, Jernigan, Williams

DE - Only have Canty and McPhee w/ some help from the DTs. This is a possibility.

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Depends on the player. For a vet like Suggs, who already has a big contract, yes - that number will go down after an extension is signed. However, when the player is on his rookie contract, then the extension will likely cause the current year's cap number to go up.

 

I'd have to go back and look, but I have a feeling when we gave Webb his current contract, it was an extension in order to keep him from being a restricted free agent. I have a feeling his cap number for that first year went up.

If what I read is correct, it increased based on his signing bonus
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This confuses me a little. We obviously have a plan for somebody, but there really isn't any area where we need a player that would command the kind of money we freed up.

Could it be a TE like Vernon Davis ? It's possible, but unlikely considering we gave Pitta a substantial contract. It doesn't make sense to spend that much cap on 1 position.

Could it be a CB? Possibly, but why would we want to add a player that will need 6 m, to be our 3rd CB when our starters are healthy? Could we be trying to move Webb? That's possible. Lower his salary so a potential new team could fit him on their roster. But then we are out a starting CB at an already thin position.

FS is the one spot where we could be looking to upgrade. Stewart hasn't been perfect, Books made a couple plays last week, but we may want to work him in more at nickel.

I don't really see a spot on the oline where we would need to make a big splash for a starter. A back up isn't going to command 6M.

It's hard to guess what we're planning, but it's defiantly something.

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I think I would prefer to get Jimmy done now rather than Torrey just because of how many good wide receivers there are going to be next year in free agency.  With the market next year full of WR's that will garnish more money than Torrey, I think we can get him for a good deal for both parties.

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