Official Vent thread: game 3 who should be cut 13 days until it's for real

[Sami84]

Daryl Smith is still a heck of a player with a massive football IQ. He's going to help mosley big time

[GrimCoconut]

Then a second rounder with an unknown ceiling will not see the field on early downs until his final year of his rookie contract? I like Smith but he is in his tenth season which in football years as a LB is on the back end of his career. I'd rather see Brown get his shot at starting instead of being another second round luxury pick like Kindle and Cody

That's true but I think Smith's only like 32 or 33. That's not too bad. He's getting close to the drop off age but not yet. In another year or two probably. I don't see him getting cut for another two years due to his check. He's also playing at a high level.

It's not an insult to Brown for him to ride the bench. It's more of a testament to the talent. I personally think he should be ahead of Mosley from what I've seen but I understand what he's not. He's going to see the field regardless. Also on your comment about 2nd rounders sitting, look at Paul Kruger.

[gabefergy]

Torrey ran the worst in route I've ever seen in my life tonight. I know he's a fan favorite and all but he was not good tonight.

 

The Skins also made sure to sit in the middle to cover the crossing routes. They sat in the middle all game.

I'm not sure what play you are referencing here, but the play where Torrey got leveled by Merriweather really stood out me. It looked like he was running a slant or skinny post, but the way he rounded off his route and slowed down just looked incredibly sloppy to me. I think it's part of the reason he got drilled, because Flacco led him and Torrey had to adjust to catch the ball. Maybe there was a miscommunication about adjusting the route against zone coverage, but it just looked poor all around.

 

I've been critical of Smith's route running for the past couple of years, because I just don't see the progression I would like to see after being in the league for 4 years. He's just not a good route runner, which limits him quite a bit. I think it goes back to his feet (he chops them when making cuts or changing gears) and lack of suddenness. 

 

I'm optimistic that he can have a good year, but to be honest I am starting to feel a little hesitant projecting him to do much more than last season. It wouldn't surprise me if that's the best season he ever has in terms of yardage/receptions. I'm also a little worried about the Ravens giving him more money than he deserves, but that's a whole separate topic.

[K-Dog]

You all should be grateful I am not the GM of the  Baltimore RAVENS....

 

Just sayin'

[Moderator 3]

You all should be grateful I am not the GM of the  Baltimore RAVENS....

 

Just sayin'

We are.

[Static]

Let's be fair. Torrey didn't even run routes till last year. Before that he just went deep every play. Don't think I saw run a slant till last year.

[RaginRaven]

Honestly, after seeing Canty play the last game against the Redskins I'd say we can afford to lose him. He just isn't that impressive on the field especially when the rookies fighting for a roster spot on the Dline look so impressive. Ngata, Suggs, Dumervil, Brooks ---- these guys are putting in some work. I'm not sure why we brought Canty to Baltimore anyways .... but isn't it time we let someone else take the pain of paying his salary?

 

 

[GrimCoconut]

Torrey also has the great Jim Hostler as a coach. I can't say he did that much for his development. I'm hopeful that Steve Smith Sr and Bobby can help Torrey become that compete WR we've hoped.

[RaginRaven]

And then the other point I forgot to make to support cutting Canty is the fact that --- with his age and experience --- he really should be much more impressive on the field. Take Smitty (Steve Smith) .... fans were questioning why we would want him in Baltimore. Considering his age fans were skeptical he could make an impact. He gets here and shuts it down! He is consistent. When he shows up to a game he doesn't just show up ...... he shows up to WIN. That's what the Ravens need. Canty admits publicly he had a bad season last year. When you've been playing the game as long as they have - you don't just show up to play (Canty) you show up to win (Smith).

 

I feel like we should keep the vets who are proving they still show up to win. Let's give the rookies a chance to stand out. Brooks, Mosley, Jernigan ..... all proving they deserve starting spots on the roster. Why are we keeping Canty anyways??? Because he's a role model that can lead the rookies?!?!?!? Really!!!!! Cmon!!!! This is about football .... the sport .... and who can play it better and will go the extra mile to ensure we win. And when rookies start outshining vets ...... SMH. Just doesn't look good.

[RaginRaven]

That's true but I think Smith's only like 32 or 33. That's not too bad. He's getting close to the drop off age but not yet. In another year or two probably. I don't see him getting cut for another two years due to his check. He's also playing at a high level.

It's not an insult to Brown for him to ride the bench. It's more of a testament to the talent. I personally think he should be ahead of Mosley from what I've seen but I understand what he's not. He's going to see the field regardless. Also on your comment about 2nd rounders sitting, look at Paul Kruger.

 

Smitty is 35 --- and YES he shows up and shows out everytime he hits the field.

[Static]

He was speaking of Daryl I believe.

[gabefergy]

And then the other point I forgot to make to support cutting Canty is the fact that --- with his age and experience --- he really should be much more impressive on the field. Take Smitty (Steve Smith) .... fans were questioning why we would want him in Baltimore. Considering his age fans were skeptical he could make an impact. He gets here and shuts it down! He is consistent. When he shows up to a game he doesn't just show up ...... he shows up to WIN. That's what the Ravens need. Canty admits publicly he had a bad season last year. When you've been playing the game as long as they have - you don't just show up to play (Canty) you show up to win (Smith).

 

I feel like we should keep the vets who are proving they still show up to win. Let's give the rookies a chance to stand out. Brooks, Mosley, Jernigan ..... all proving they deserve starting spots on the roster. Why are we keeping Canty anyways??? Because he's a role model that can lead the rookies?!?!?!? Really!!!!! Cmon!!!! This is about football .... the sport .... and who can play it better and will go the extra mile to ensure we win. And when rookies start outshining vets ...... SMH. Just doesn't look good.

You might have had an argument for cutting Canty before the injuires to KLM and Urban, but he is absolutely necessary to the team now. 

 

His play has been up and down at times, but he is a veteran leader and still provides above average play along the DL. Don't discount his ability to play multiple roles on the DL either.

[RaginRaven]

You might have had an argument for cutting Canty before the injuires to KLM and Urban, but he is absolutely necessary to the team now. 

 

His play has been up and down at times, but he is a veteran leader and still provides above average play along the DL. Don't discount his ability to play multiple roles on the DL either.

Canty is a liability. I've read that here somewhere else before. You even say his play is up and down and that's exactly why we should move on without him.

[ravensdan]

You might have had an argument for cutting Canty before the injuires to KLM and Urban, but he is absolutely necessary to the team now.

His play has been up and down at times, but he is a veteran leader and still provides above average play along the DL. Don't discount his ability to play multiple roles on the DL either.

Just to add to your point, even if the rookies are outplaying him, you don't cut him outright. Even if he takes less snaps, you need quality depth on the D line. No way you can cut anyone from that position honestly.

[gabefergy]

Canty is a liability. I've read that here somewhere else before. You even say his play is up and down and that's exactly why we should move on without him.

No, he's not a liability at all. Do you believe everything you read? It doesn't make it correct.  He's  still a quality NFL player. He doesn't make that much money and cutting him serves no purpose. He's a far better player than anyone currently available out there in FA, and the Ravens have no depth at DE right now, so you can stop with your ridiculous notion that he should be cut.

[RaginRaven]

Just to add to your point, even if the rookies are outplaying him, you don't cut him outright. Even if he takes less snaps, you need quality depth on the D line. No way you can cut anyone from that position honestly.

Consider this: give Canty's spot to McPhee. Ngata is way more versatile than Canty who continues to play with mediocrity. Smitty is scoring touchdowns at 35 and Canty can barely land a sack at 31. Why is it you think he was dropped by the Giants? They didn't need him anymore and now we don't either.

I think the better question is do we want a repeat of last season from him? Especially when we have quicker, faster D men who hurt you when they hit you. I just think Canty isn't that effective.

That is all. Goodnight!

[RaginRaven]

No, he's not a liability at all. Do you believe everything you read? It doesn't make it correct.  He's  still a quality NFL player. He doesn't make that much money and cutting him serves no purpose. He's a far better player than anyone currently available out there in FA, and the Ravens have no depth at DE right now, so you can stop with your ridiculous notion that he should be cut.

Please these are just my opinions. You are truly a Canty fan and good for you. I however find Canty non-consistent and mediocre. And actually there are numerous posts that agree with me. How many sports networks have questioned whether we should keep Canty? More than enough. I feel Canty is dead weight and I have no problems if the team cuts him loose. You can continue to defend him IF a new team picks him up which is doubtful.

That is all .....

[jazz1988]

Consider this: give Canty's spot to McPhee. Ngata is way more versatile than Canty who continues to play with mediocrity. Smitty is scoring touchdowns at 35 and Canty can barely land a sack at 31. Why is it you think he was dropped by the Giants? They didn't need him anymore and now we don't either.

I think the better question is do we want a repeat of last season from him? Especially when we have quicker, faster D men who hurt you when they hit you. I just think Canty isn't that effective.

That is all. Goodnight!

 

Mcphee is not a starting defensive end we try that before and he's currently  just a pass rush specialist. Even if Canty is what you say he is it doesn't make sense at all to cut him when we pretty thin at defensive end. One of the main reasons why The Giants cut Canty was because they wanted to get younger/clear cap space  and during the time he was cut according to rotoworld.com he graded out as a top-20 defensive tackle in Pro Football Focus' ratings..

 

Canty had two sacks and two force fumbles last year and is still a quality starter. He graded out as number 23 among 3-4 defensive ends. Of course The Ravens expected more out of him last year but he wasn't healthy . Right now at this point of his career he's a solid run stopper and nothing is wrong with that because we already have our pass rusher defensive end in Mcphee.

[arnie_uk]

I see some people are joining me on the dark side and criticising torrey

[1/28/01]

Yeah, let's lose another DE. Smart!

[arnie_uk]

Yeah, let's lose another DE. Smart!

as someone else said we could have done it if eveyone else was fit but not now. He'd need replaced for depth purposes at a minimum

[1/28/01]

as someone else said we could have done it if eveyone else was fit but not now. He'd need replaced for depth purposes at a minimum

As of right now (meaning when its being suggested...real time) it would be very stupid to do so.

[arnie_uk]

As of right now (meaning when its being suggested...real time) it would be very stupid to do so.

totally agree. I think he was due and received a bonus as well, so if they planned in cutting him they would have done so before that date

[52520Andrew]

Our D-line if we cut Canty:

Tyson

Williams

Ngata

Cody(whenever he comes back)

Jernigan

UDFA who makes the team if that happens

We gotta have more rotational depth than that and Canty is a guy who is going to be a decent starter in the league. Sure he isn't all pro but you can do A LOT worse at the position. We really are in no position to cut him right now regardless of what you think of him.

As for next year when we have:

Urban

Williams

Tyson

KLM

Jernigan

maybe Ngata or Cody

I could see a case being made there as he will be more expensive and we will have better depth(although that depends on Ngata as well since I doubt we let him play at his current price unless he dominates this year). We will also probably invest a draft pick at the position too but we might want to keep Canty around because he is an experienced vet as well.

This year however we just don't have the depth to support that kinda move right now and I don't see what we would do with the extra cap space this year anyways.

[GrimCoconut]

There's virtually no chance we cut Canty. Not this year and maybe not even next depending upon how he does. I'm not sure why everyone wants to cut veterans but it's not something the Ravens do. Hell, you could even make an argument that we won't cut Canty next year and could cut or trade Ngata instead and retain Canty for the veteran presence. I think it's possible one of them won't be here next year. Not sure who in all honesty. You could make a solid argument for either to be gone.

[The Raven]

I was on the cut Canty bandwagon until Brent Urban and KLM got hurt. Now I know it would be stupid to cut him.

[Static]

I hope we don't trade away any personnel. If Jimmy's and Webb's injuries are as minor as advertised and they return week 1 I don't have a problem with our CBs.

[izvoodoo]

I hope we don't trade away any personnel. If Jimmy's and Webb's injuries are as minor as advertised and they return week 1 I don't have a problem with our CBs.

I felt good about Asa Jackson but having not seen him play in a while is tough

[gabefergy]

Please these are just my opinions. You are truly a Canty fan and good for you. I however find Canty non-consistent and mediocre. And actually there are numerous posts that agree with me. How many sports networks have questioned whether we should keep Canty? More than enough. I feel Canty is dead weight and I have no problems if the team cuts him loose. You can continue to defend him IF a new team picks him up which is doubtful.

That is all .....

Well, we aren't cutting him so there's that.

[RaginRaven]

Well, we aren't cutting him so there's that.

Whelp ... maybe there's hope he'll be traded. A man can always dream.