Official Vent thread: game 3 who should be cut 13 days until it's for real

[Drew P]

Even though Marlon Brown and Jacoby Jones haven't really improved at separating themselves from the defender, I think Torrey Smith has slowly gotten better at it from what I have seen this preseason. At least Bobby Engram's coaching is paying off, some way!

 

Its the NFL there isnt supposed to be separation.

[Drew P]

What in the world are you saying? Arthur Brown has excellent instincts and is able to locate the football and soon might be able to start making plays on it. He's an evolving player who perhaps isn't the playmaker yet that Mosley is, but it's an insult to suggest that Bowman or Brown don't have the mental aspect of their games. 

 

I like the problem of having too many ILB's on the roster but would rather see Brown and Mosley playing along side of another for 3 downs ok I said it odd man out D Smith

[berad]

Its the NFL there isnt supposed to be separation.

It's what distinguishes good receivers from 'just another guy'

[GrimCoconut]

I like the problem of having too many ILB's on the roster but would rather see Brown and Mosley playing along side of another for 3 downs ok I said it odd man out D Smith

I don't see that happening for at least two more seasons. This year and next. We might consider it after that. Unless his play just bottoms or.

[beanfigger]

I think we have some great insurance at ILB, which is no surprise. I don't see anything in the games that would take away from any of our three guys being talked about having to sacrifice PT. This "problem" is a luxury. We aren't trying to figure out who can start, but rather who should start, as they are all very capable. Many teams would love to have that issue. Wouldn't even mind seeing all three playing every now and then on third and medium against two-TE sets to lock up the middle of the field together. Dare to dream, the old 2-5 defense.

[beanfigger]

Its the NFL there isnt supposed to be separation.

Not a fan of route running?

[The Raven]

Its the NFL there isnt supposed to be separation.

 

Tell that to Wes Welker, Brandon Marshall, Derrick Mason, Steve Smith (see what I did there?), Greg Jennings, and plenty more.

 

This "not supposed to be separation" thing is a myth used as an excuse to defend shoddy wide receivers.

[gabefergy]

you said exactly what i said, like almost word for word lol.. i just dont think that the (somewhat minor) lack of upper body strength is enough to overrule his natural feel for the game and the big play is just in his DNA, he knows where to be and he is always there, its shocking that hes only a rookie. arthur brown has certainly looked to be an entire tier above the players he is on the field against, and if he was a starter he would be the navorro bowman on our team, all the physical ability in the world and just a freakish athlete, but simply doesnt have the mental aspect to outshine our true star ILB(mosley = willis in this metaphor) 

 

also with the Dline we have(hopefully no injuries or fatigue forces us to rotate guys like cody and canty too often) then upper body strength really shouldnt be a huge issue for mosley, he has been flowing to the ball very well when the d-line handles their jobs. 

 

also, did you say his tackling is suspect? lolwut.

This is a load of crap, and you have absolutely no factual evidence to back this up. Mosley is far from a star at this point. He's made a couple of splash plays and also been exposed a few times. He has a long way to go before he is even remotely close to being a star player.

 

Mosley has already missed a few tackles and has gotten washed out in the run game. Overall he's been a negative run defender. Brown has been a stud.

[Drew P]

Tell that to Wes Welker, Brandon Marshall, Derrick Mason, Steve Smith (see what I did there?), Greg Jennings, and plenty more.

 

This "not supposed to be separation" thing is a myth used as an excuse to defend shoddy wide receivers.

 

Uh no thats what couch athletes think that an NFL WR should blow by every CB/LB and S in the league each and every single play completely uncontested and if not then they didnt get "separation". Check again, this is the NFL where everyone is on scholarship.

[berad]

Uh no thats what couch athletes think that an NFL WR should blow by every CB/LB and S in the league each and every single play completely uncontested and if not then they didnt get "separation". Check again, this is the NFL where everyone is on scholarship.

Unrealistic to think someone should get separation on every play, equally unrealistic to think that you can't get separation. Guys get 'open' regardless of play design. They do it through crafty route running, misdirection, speed through cuts, etc.

[Willbacker]

Unrealistic to think someone should get separation on every play, equally unrealistic to think that you can't get separation. Guys get 'open' regardless of play design. They do it through crafty route running, misdirection, speed through cuts, etc.

And some are actually better at their craft than others. Go figger.

[Tank 92]

This is a load of crap, and you have absolutely no factual evidence to back this up. Mosley is far from a star at this point. He's made a couple of splash plays and also been exposed a few times. He has a long way to go before he is even remotely close to being a star player.

 

Mosley has already missed a few tackles and has gotten washed out in the run game. Overall he's been a negative run defender. Brown has been a stud.

Brown has been a stud and should get playing time. Mosley has made some rookie mistakes, but that's to be expected from a guy that's been in the NFL, what, 4 months?

I like Brown as well, but I think in the long run Mosley has the greater potential.

[Tank 92]

I like the problem of having too many ILB's on the roster but would rather see Brown and Mosley playing along side of another for 3 downs ok I said it odd man out D Smith

There's a novel idea.....let's sit the guy that set a Team record for tackles last year.

[redlobster]

Brown has been a stud and should get playing time. Mosley has made some rookie mistakes, but that's to be expected from a guy that's been in the NFL, what, 4 months?

I like Brown as well, but I think in the long run Mosley has the greater potential.

 

I would disagree with you . I believe Brown has more potential but a lower floor. Mosley has been playing in a pro-style defense at Alabama and I don't think he will improve substantially due to that.

[acranfor]

There's a novel idea.....let's sit the guy that set a Team record for tackles last year.

That is misleading. I wish there was a stat breaking down tackles by distance from the line of scrimmage. D Smith was often in pursuit on run plays. He was in the bottom of the league as a run stopping ILB. I would love for Mosley to outplay him and take his spot at the MIKE. D Smith would be much better utilized as the WILL - although I would love for A Brown to take that spot as well...

[Drew P]

There's a novel idea.....let's sit the guy that set a Team record for tackles last year.

 

How about a better idea; make the first round pick this year the same position as the second rounder last year..

[Tank 92]

I would disagree with you . I believe Brown has more potential but a lower floor. Mosley has been playing in a pro-style defense at Alabama and I don't think he will improve substantially due to that.

I guess time will tell.

[Tank 92]

How about a better idea; make the first round pick this year the same position as the second rounder last year..

No kiddin, how dumb can a FO be. I don't know why I even root for these guys. The Ravens will never win a SB or even make the playoffs.

[JoeyFlex5]

What in the world are you saying? Arthur Brown has excellent instincts and is able to locate the football and soon might be able to start making plays on it. He's an evolving player who perhaps isn't the playmaker yet that Mosley is, but it's an insult to suggest that Bowman or Brown don't have the mental aspect of their games. 

not that they dont have it, but their instincts and mental capacity for the game pale in comparison to their counterparts, browns instincts in his 2nd year pale in comparison vs backups, to mosleys instincts as a rookie vs starters, not that he doesnt have good instincts or doesnt know what hes doing, but it is incredible how naturally the mental aspect of football is just there for mosley, we traded up for brown in the 2nd round last year so its not like we have nothing riding on this guy, and even with harbs(who notoriously doesnt like to start rookies) mosley absolutely ran away with the starting spot that we all thought was his, a first round pick doesnt ever mean an immediate starter, especially on this team, the fact that brown has improved vastly over 1 year and still cant take the job from mosley should speak volumes.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I honestly think keeping Reid, AQ and Gino is a complete waste of time.

We have the starters in place. I have no doubt if injuries does happen to our starters, any of those 3 listed above will crap the bed. But we have enough data on those guys to expect that.

Keep the developmental players like Hurst and put more rep into Urshel to see what they can do!

[Blackbirds Rule]

not that they dont have it, but their instincts and mental capacity for the game pale in comparison to their counterparts, browns instincts in his 2nd year pale in comparison vs backups, to mosleys instincts as a rookie vs starters, not that he doesnt have good instincts or doesnt know what hes doing, but it is incredible how naturally the mental aspect of football is just there for mosley, we traded up for brown in the 2nd round last year so its not like we have nothing riding on this guy, and even with harbs(who notoriously doesnt like to start rookies) mosley absolutely ran away with the starting spot that we all thought was his, a first round pick doesnt ever mean an immediate starter, especially on this team, the fact that brown has improved vastly over 1 year and still cant take the job from mosley should speak volumes.

No it should speak volumes that we didn't need an ILB and we drafted Mosley. I watched the game again and Brown is making a lot of run stopping plays. Knifing throught the oline to make stops in the bacfield. We'll have a great ILB core when we have both Mosley and Brown starting. Until then we'll get Brown in on ST and spot duty covering and blitzing to keep both ILB's fresh. Mosley is a stud and Brown will be one shortly. Smith will be the guy that yields some playing time next year to Brown. I wouldn't look at Brown as a mistake but at Mosley at how good he really is. Mosley is an A+ and Brown is a B+/A- still a really good player.

[Blackbirds Rule]

I honestly think keeping Reid, AQ and Gino is a complete waste of time.

We have the starters in place. I have no doubt if injuries does happen to our starters, any of those 3 listed above will crap the bed. But we have enough data on those guys to expect that.

Keep the developmental players like Hurst and put more rep into Urshel to see what they can do!

Reid has improved so I think you need him. Gino is only here because he's the second best center but if another team cuts a capable center Gino is out of here. AQ I think is on borrowed time. I believe we're going to cut him and pick up another Guard from another team to replace him.

[gabefergy]

Brown has been a stud and should get playing time. Mosley has made some rookie mistakes, but that's to be expected from a guy that's been in the NFL, what, 4 months?

I like Brown as well, but I think in the long run Mosley has the greater potential.

Sure, Mosley is expected to make some mistakes. That's why it's ridiculous to call him a star at this juncture. He needs to play better in real games before he gets that label.

 

As for Brown, I like his potential too. I think they both have extremely high ceilings, and I have high hopes for both of them. I'm not sure I agree that Mosley has a much higher ceiling though. 

[Tank 92]

Sure, Mosley is expected to make some mistakes. That's why it's ridiculous to call him a star at this juncture. He needs to play better in real games before he gets that label.

 

As for Brown, I like his potential too. I think they both have extremely high ceilings, and I have high hopes for both of them. I'm not sure I agree that Mosley has a much higher ceiling though.

Moseley does look to be as advertised, but you're right, too soon to crown him king. And who knows, maybe Arthur will be as good, if not better than him. That would be nice. :-)

[1/28/01]

Meriweather suspended 2 games.

[dhstandard]

Torrey ran the worst in route I've ever seen in my life tonight. I know he's a fan favorite and all but he was not good tonight.

 

The Skins also made sure to sit in the middle to cover the crossing routes. They sat in the middle all game.

 

He rstill needs to work on his route running.  He has speed with a long stride but not very much quickness so route running is super important.  It's kind of funny watching him get yards after the catch when he catches the ball standing still, back facing the secondary.  

[Static]

The good thing for Mosley and Brown is that Linebacker is one of the easier transitions to the NFL.

[Drew P]

I don't see that happening for at least two more seasons. This year and next. We might consider it after that. Unless his play just bottoms or.

 

Then a second rounder with an unknown ceiling will not see the field on early downs until his final year of his rookie contract? I like Smith but he is in his tenth season which in football years as a LB is on the back end of his career. I'd rather see Brown get his shot at starting instead of being another second round luxury pick like Kindle and Cody

[Static]

PFF has Brandon williams rated 4th best at the position through all preseason.

Excited for him.

[52520Andrew]

PFF has Brandon williams rated 4th best at the position through all preseason.

Excited for him.

 

He has been killing it all preseason so far, hopefully he can keep it up