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After 2 preseason games, how do you REALLY feel?

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I just want some honest discourse on the state of our Ravens after 2 preseason games. Let me begin first. I am somewhat dejected with both our first team offense and defense. More so with our defense than our offense because I had such high expectations for our defense.

 

My gripe is the calls are very vanilla (as expected to be in the pre-season), but our inability to stop the run is horrifying. It reminds me of last year. I know Pees won us a SB, but I don't think he is what the Ravens D is all about frankly. We are about disruption, turnovers, intimidation, smash mouth defense, organized chaos, etc, etc. (Remember Rex, Pagano, Marvin Lewis, etc?) We were feared by the entire league. Not anymore I don't think with Dean Pees with due respect. 

 

With regard to the offense, considering it is a new offense, I think we'll be alright come regular season. We may not be at the top of our game but will get there by season's end. Joe hopefully doesn't hold on to the ball any longer than he has to, because that is where our offensive woes typically start. Other than that, I am hopeful of our offense.

 

As much as you may not like what I have to say, I just thought it is time we have an honest discourse about our team after the first 2 preseason games by answering two important questions.

A) Are we really on our way to becoming a top 5 defense??

 

B) Are we going to win the time of possession battle and put up enough points for our D to defend?

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Defense is a work in progress, and probably will be all or most of the season with these injuries.

Offense will be fine as long as Joe plays decisively instead of tentatively, as the running game is back.

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We're not a pretty team. We don't have players that the media fawns over. We're not on anyone's top 10 anything. Teams are going to score on us and stop some of our drives. But the defense has the ability to be on lockdown and the offense has the potential to score from any yard marker, and we'll be fine if we can master the situations where someone needs to come through. That's been the trademark of the team's success over the last few years.

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Ehh I honestly don't know whether this team will be good or bad based on two pre season games. I'm just going to wait and see what happens come regular season. 

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Totally undecided whether I believe the team is in title contention at this point. I believe the offense will be better than last year but that's not saying a lot when you think about how bad they struggled. Haven't seen enough of Kubiak/starting offense to decide whether I see a slight improvement or major improvement, at least we're running the ball well that's a huge plus for me. I've been very impressed with how far Juice has come as a lead blocker since last year and Rice looks like his old self again so those are positives. wr is a lot deeper than it's ever been.. I'll also give Talliaferro his props, looks like we might have the big bodied short yardage back we've been missing since Jamal Lewis/ Le'ron McClain.

 

The defense I'm more concerned about than I'd like to be. The DL haven't been firing off the ball all that well and our depth at cb makes me very uneasy. I don't like the thought of Chykie or Franks having to play a lot of snaps in a game that means anything. Run D has also been too soft for my liking so far. At least Mosley looks like a stud and Asa has really rose to the occasion, those have to be my biggest positives on that side of the ball.

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Our defense is terrible, its like we have no type  of schemes. All those talented Lbs we have and we still look like [profanity deleted]. Without our secondary coach, you can already tell our cbs and safteys are having trouble.

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Flacco still making inaccurate throws and still not getting the ball out fast enough. The only I see so far is the Oline and run game

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Today's NFL is a pass first league and the emphasis this year is on the no-touch WR. If our offense is run first we're negating the advantage the rules give the passing attack. The flags are going to fly, the 1st downs are going to pile up with pass interference calls. That's a tool we seem to be saying we're not going to use bc we're gonna run the ball instead. If the league follows through with the enforcement of the no contact after 5 yds, WRs are going to be wide open & scoring will soar. Last year we averaged 20 pts/gm. This year, I'm guessing, if teams don't score 28pts they're going to lose.

The league wants scoring and has opened the passing game to facilitate it. We may regret a run first scheme, a dearth of high caliber DBs and the lack of better WRs.

It will be interesting to watch this year play-out for the Ravens. The hi/lo ... 10-6 // 7-9.

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I just want some honest discourse on the state of our Ravens after 2 preseason games. Let me begin first. I am somewhat dejected with both our first team offense and defense. More so with our defense than our offense because I had such high expectations for our defense.

 

My gripe is the calls are very vanilla (as expected to be in the pre-season), but our inability to stop the run is horrifying. It reminds me of last year. I know Pees won us a SB, but I don't think he is what the Ravens D is all about frankly. We are about disruption, turnovers, intimidation, smash mouth defense, organized chaos, etc, etc. (Remember Rex, Pagano, Marvin Lewis, etc?) We were feared by the entire league. Not anymore I don't think with Dean Pees with due respect. 

 

With regard to the offense, considering it is a new offense, I think we'll be alright come regular season. We may not be at the top of our game but will get there by season's end. Joe hopefully doesn't hold on to the ball any longer than he has to, because that is where our offensive woes typically start. Other than that, I am hopeful of our offense.

 

As much as you may not like what I have to say, I just thought it is time we have an honest discourse about our team after the first 2 preseason games by answering two important questions.

A) Are we really on our way to becoming a top 5 defense??

 

B) Are we going to win the time of possession battle and put up enough points for our D to defend?

 

Why would you gripe about what is to be expected in the preseason? :D

 

#Mili

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I know it is preseason and I know it is vanilla schemes,BUT,I am a lil worried ,,2nd and 18 DEZ makes the first down,,(should not have happened)the running and passing was given to them,the offense started slow AGAIN,,,,I tell allot of people here in Atlanta that we were 3 points away from the playoffs,so when I see us start slow it is a lil worrisome ,,  Dan pees have had the luxury of excuses injured players  Superbowl and the offense (last year) was so that we forget the defense allowed a game or two in losses,,so what will it take,,,I know sexy Rexy said he do not care what he has player wise,he will always have a good defense,you all remember in the past we had people and it worked,,C'MON DAN MAKE IT WORK,,                                            ,this was entirely to long   

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When has this team ever looked good in pre season?  Serious question cause I don't remember.

Not a bad question honestly. Though I would actually say the Super Bowl season...we looked awesome against Jacksonville in game 3. We looked crap against Detroit in preseason game 2 though (and I remember this because I was there).

 

Even in 2011 in preseason game 3 it was a mixed bag vs. Washington. Flacco threw a pick-6. He eventually threw a TD to Lee Evans, but that was early in the third and at that point Washington had taken out some starters.

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Way too early to make a judgment call. We are without our 3 starting corners, and our secondary should be better.

Offense just needs more time to develop. We should be good first 3 games, but the offense will be at it's peak mid season-. Not really worried.!

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Way too early to make a judgment call. We are without our 3 starting corners, and our secondary should be better.

Offense just needs more time to develop. We should be good first 3 games, but the offense will be at it's peak mid season-. Not really worried.!

Unfortunately a slow offense to start basically dooms our season...a 1-2 start might not kill our playoffs chances but it pretty much destroys any shot of winning the division.

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Unfortunately a slow offense to start basically dooms our season...a 1-2 start might not kill our playoffs chances but it pretty much destroys any shot of winning the division.

How they start the season is key.  I honestly feel this team can finish with 11+ wins, but the first 3 games will dictate a lot.  Nothing against Rice, but I'm actually kind of happy to see how Pierce does finally getting starts.  I think he proves his worth to the team early.

 

All the preseason games are a blur to me.  I remember that Pitta catch though and Jimmy getting mossed by I think Vincent Jackson.

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Unfortunately a slow offense to start basically dooms our season...a 1-2 start might not kill our playoffs chances but it pretty much destroys any shot of winning the division.

Pitsburgh's secondary situation lacks personnel. Ours is just unlucky. We should beat them. Not afraid of their defense.

Bengals I'm worried about. But outside of last year, which was a revenge game for the Broncos. Hasn't Harbaugh always done good week one?

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I feel like this is a 7-9 team.

Haha...... I'll bet you whatever you want that we finish much better than that. 7 and 9? LMAO!

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I don't think you can honestly talk about the state of the Ravens after 2 games. When we haven't even played our starters against other starters that much. You have new systems and players getting acclimated to the NFL and you're playing vanilla schemes. I would wait until after the next preseason game when the roster gets cut down to 75. That way you actually see players who will actually play in this league and possibly on this team. Our schemes are vanilla and we don't even have our starting corner backs playing together yet. Pees usually has the defense playing well come season time. We may give up some runs or passes but we buckle down in the redzone. i expect us to become a better defense as the season come along and we get some game experienc for our young players. The 4th preseason game will primarily be a game where we find our final 53.

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It's pre freaking' season for gosh sakes!

And that means what Tank?  That we are to dismiss what our eyes see so far?  I doubt that the coaches are doing that!

 

#Mili

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I'll let you know after preseason game 3 against the Deadskins.

 

The starters will play the entire first half in that one.

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It's pre freaking' season for gosh sakes!

So we aren't supposed to talk about the Ravens performance thus far? Tell that to the coaches and the players on the bubble who are busting their chops trying to make the team...

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And that means what Tank?  That we are to dismiss what our eyes see so far?  I doubt that the coaches are doing that!

 

#Mili

That's the same response I got when I expressed concern about Flacco's preseason picks last year.

 

Sometimes it's not just preseason.

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And that means what Tank?  That we are to dismiss what our eyes see so far?  I doubt that the coaches are doing that!

 

#Mili

  

So we aren't supposed to talk about the Ravens performance thus far? Tell that to the coaches and the players on the bubble who are busting their chops trying to make the team...

Well, from what I have watched for many years, pre season has little or nothing to do with what regular season performance will be like. It's a time to look at prospects, and veterans, just by human nature, are not going full speed. While we can talk about who may or may not make the Team, no conclusions can be drawn as to how the Team will perform.

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I'm not terribly excited for the team, but it's a long season.  I think they have the talent to emerge and gel.

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I feel like this is a 7-9 team.

So, we are a worse team than last year or we have a tougher schedule? I don't see either, but I'm curious.

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So, we are a worse team than last year or we have a tougher schedule? I don't see either, but I'm curious.

Our season is OVER. Flacco sucks, Harbauguh sucks, Ozzie sucks....

Blow up the team and rebuild!

Trade a first rounder for Boldin!!!!!

/sarcasm

They're all overreacting. Some things do carry over, but the only real complaint I have is the injured secondary. Secondary comes back healthy, and qbs have to make decisions faster and more pressure comes from that.

Offensive slow starts come from learning new offense.

Preseason is about reps. Some things may carry over. But it's more about reps.

Pees is a very meh coordinator

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How I really feel? "Cautiously optimistic" just like every season.  Do not think we will be nearly as good in the beginning of the season as the end.  Given the schedule, that's an issue.  PIT will hit the ground running, being in the 2nd (or is it 3rd?) year of Haley's O.  I expect them to get off to a hot start, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if they don't.  Not sure what to expect from CIN but they won the division and are very talented.  We'll be good, potentially very good.

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