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After 2 preseason games, how do you REALLY feel?

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I just want some honest discourse on the state of our Ravens after 2 preseason games. Let me begin first. I am somewhat dejected with both our first team offense and defense. More so with our defense than our offense because I had such high expectations for our defense.

 

My gripe is the calls are very vanilla (as expected to be in the pre-season), but our inability to stop the run is horrifying. It reminds me of last year. I know Pees won us a SB, but I don't think he is what the Ravens D is all about frankly. We are about disruption, turnovers, intimidation, smash mouth defense, organized chaos, etc, etc. (Remember Rex, Pagano, Marvin Lewis, etc?) We were feared by the entire league. Not anymore I don't think with Dean Pees with due respect. 

 

With regard to the offense, considering it is a new offense, I think we'll be alright come regular season. We may not be at the top of our game but will get there by season's end. Joe hopefully doesn't hold on to the ball any longer than he has to, because that is where our offensive woes typically start. Other than that, I am hopeful of our offense.

 

As much as you may not like what I have to say, I just thought it is time we have an honest discourse about our team after the first 2 preseason games by answering two important questions.

A) Are we really on our way to becoming a top 5 defense??

 

B) Are we going to win the time of possession battle and put up enough points for our D to defend?

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Defense is a work in progress, and probably will be all or most of the season with these injuries.

Offense will be fine as long as Joe plays decisively instead of tentatively, as the running game is back.

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We're not a pretty team. We don't have players that the media fawns over. We're not on anyone's top 10 anything. Teams are going to score on us and stop some of our drives. But the defense has the ability to be on lockdown and the offense has the potential to score from any yard marker, and we'll be fine if we can master the situations where someone needs to come through. That's been the trademark of the team's success over the last few years.

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Ehh I honestly don't know whether this team will be good or bad based on two pre season games. I'm just going to wait and see what happens come regular season. 

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Totally undecided whether I believe the team is in title contention at this point. I believe the offense will be better than last year but that's not saying a lot when you think about how bad they struggled. Haven't seen enough of Kubiak/starting offense to decide whether I see a slight improvement or major improvement, at least we're running the ball well that's a huge plus for me. I've been very impressed with how far Juice has come as a lead blocker since last year and Rice looks like his old self again so those are positives. wr is a lot deeper than it's ever been.. I'll also give Talliaferro his props, looks like we might have the big bodied short yardage back we've been missing since Jamal Lewis/ Le'ron McClain.

 

The defense I'm more concerned about than I'd like to be. The DL haven't been firing off the ball all that well and our depth at cb makes me very uneasy. I don't like the thought of Chykie or Franks having to play a lot of snaps in a game that means anything. Run D has also been too soft for my liking so far. At least Mosley looks like a stud and Asa has really rose to the occasion, those have to be my biggest positives on that side of the ball.

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Our defense is terrible, its like we have no type  of schemes. All those talented Lbs we have and we still look like [profanity deleted]. Without our secondary coach, you can already tell our cbs and safteys are having trouble.

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Flacco still making inaccurate throws and still not getting the ball out fast enough. The only I see so far is the Oline and run game

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Today's NFL is a pass first league and the emphasis this year is on the no-touch WR. If our offense is run first we're negating the advantage the rules give the passing attack. The flags are going to fly, the 1st downs are going to pile up with pass interference calls. That's a tool we seem to be saying we're not going to use bc we're gonna run the ball instead. If the league follows through with the enforcement of the no contact after 5 yds, WRs are going to be wide open & scoring will soar. Last year we averaged 20 pts/gm. This year, I'm guessing, if teams don't score 28pts they're going to lose.

The league wants scoring and has opened the passing game to facilitate it. We may regret a run first scheme, a dearth of high caliber DBs and the lack of better WRs.

It will be interesting to watch this year play-out for the Ravens. The hi/lo ... 10-6 // 7-9.

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I just want some honest discourse on the state of our Ravens after 2 preseason games. Let me begin first. I am somewhat dejected with both our first team offense and defense. More so with our defense than our offense because I had such high expectations for our defense.

 

My gripe is the calls are very vanilla (as expected to be in the pre-season), but our inability to stop the run is horrifying. It reminds me of last year. I know Pees won us a SB, but I don't think he is what the Ravens D is all about frankly. We are about disruption, turnovers, intimidation, smash mouth defense, organized chaos, etc, etc. (Remember Rex, Pagano, Marvin Lewis, etc?) We were feared by the entire league. Not anymore I don't think with Dean Pees with due respect. 

 

With regard to the offense, considering it is a new offense, I think we'll be alright come regular season. We may not be at the top of our game but will get there by season's end. Joe hopefully doesn't hold on to the ball any longer than he has to, because that is where our offensive woes typically start. Other than that, I am hopeful of our offense.

 

As much as you may not like what I have to say, I just thought it is time we have an honest discourse about our team after the first 2 preseason games by answering two important questions.

A) Are we really on our way to becoming a top 5 defense??

 

B) Are we going to win the time of possession battle and put up enough points for our D to defend?

 

Why would you gripe about what is to be expected in the preseason? :D

 

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I know it is preseason and I know it is vanilla schemes,BUT,I am a lil worried ,,2nd and 18 DEZ makes the first down,,(should not have happened)the running and passing was given to them,the offense started slow AGAIN,,,,I tell allot of people here in Atlanta that we were 3 points away from the playoffs,so when I see us start slow it is a lil worrisome ,,  Dan pees have had the luxury of excuses injured players  Superbowl and the offense (last year) was so that we forget the defense allowed a game or two in losses,,so what will it take,,,I know sexy Rexy said he do not care what he has player wise,he will always have a good defense,you all remember in the past we had people and it worked,,C'MON DAN MAKE IT WORK,,                                            ,this was entirely to long   

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When has this team ever looked good in pre season?  Serious question cause I don't remember.

Not a bad question honestly. Though I would actually say the Super Bowl season...we looked awesome against Jacksonville in game 3. We looked crap against Detroit in preseason game 2 though (and I remember this because I was there).

 

Even in 2011 in preseason game 3 it was a mixed bag vs. Washington. Flacco threw a pick-6. He eventually threw a TD to Lee Evans, but that was early in the third and at that point Washington had taken out some starters.

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Way too early to make a judgment call. We are without our 3 starting corners, and our secondary should be better.

Offense just needs more time to develop. We should be good first 3 games, but the offense will be at it's peak mid season-. Not really worried.!

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Way too early to make a judgment call. We are without our 3 starting corners, and our secondary should be better.

Offense just needs more time to develop. We should be good first 3 games, but the offense will be at it's peak mid season-. Not really worried.!

Unfortunately a slow offense to start basically dooms our season...a 1-2 start might not kill our playoffs chances but it pretty much destroys any shot of winning the division.

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Unfortunately a slow offense to start basically dooms our season...a 1-2 start might not kill our playoffs chances but it pretty much destroys any shot of winning the division.

How they start the season is key.  I honestly feel this team can finish with 11+ wins, but the first 3 games will dictate a lot.  Nothing against Rice, but I'm actually kind of happy to see how Pierce does finally getting starts.  I think he proves his worth to the team early.

 

All the preseason games are a blur to me.  I remember that Pitta catch though and Jimmy getting mossed by I think Vincent Jackson.

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Unfortunately a slow offense to start basically dooms our season...a 1-2 start might not kill our playoffs chances but it pretty much destroys any shot of winning the division.

Pitsburgh's secondary situation lacks personnel. Ours is just unlucky. We should beat them. Not afraid of their defense.

Bengals I'm worried about. But outside of last year, which was a revenge game for the Broncos. Hasn't Harbaugh always done good week one?

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I feel like this is a 7-9 team.

Haha...... I'll bet you whatever you want that we finish much better than that. 7 and 9? LMAO!

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I don't think you can honestly talk about the state of the Ravens after 2 games. When we haven't even played our starters against other starters that much. You have new systems and players getting acclimated to the NFL and you're playing vanilla schemes. I would wait until after the next preseason game when the roster gets cut down to 75. That way you actually see players who will actually play in this league and possibly on this team. Our schemes are vanilla and we don't even have our starting corner backs playing together yet. Pees usually has the defense playing well come season time. We may give up some runs or passes but we buckle down in the redzone. i expect us to become a better defense as the season come along and we get some game experienc for our young players. The 4th preseason game will primarily be a game where we find our final 53.

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It's pre freaking' season for gosh sakes!

And that means what Tank?  That we are to dismiss what our eyes see so far?  I doubt that the coaches are doing that!

 

#Mili

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I'll let you know after preseason game 3 against the Deadskins.

 

The starters will play the entire first half in that one.

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It's pre freaking' season for gosh sakes!

So we aren't supposed to talk about the Ravens performance thus far? Tell that to the coaches and the players on the bubble who are busting their chops trying to make the team...

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And that means what Tank?  That we are to dismiss what our eyes see so far?  I doubt that the coaches are doing that!

 

#Mili

That's the same response I got when I expressed concern about Flacco's preseason picks last year.

 

Sometimes it's not just preseason.

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And that means what Tank?  That we are to dismiss what our eyes see so far?  I doubt that the coaches are doing that!

 

#Mili

  

So we aren't supposed to talk about the Ravens performance thus far? Tell that to the coaches and the players on the bubble who are busting their chops trying to make the team...

Well, from what I have watched for many years, pre season has little or nothing to do with what regular season performance will be like. It's a time to look at prospects, and veterans, just by human nature, are not going full speed. While we can talk about who may or may not make the Team, no conclusions can be drawn as to how the Team will perform.

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I'm not terribly excited for the team, but it's a long season.  I think they have the talent to emerge and gel.

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I feel like this is a 7-9 team.

So, we are a worse team than last year or we have a tougher schedule? I don't see either, but I'm curious.

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So, we are a worse team than last year or we have a tougher schedule? I don't see either, but I'm curious.

Our season is OVER. Flacco sucks, Harbauguh sucks, Ozzie sucks....

Blow up the team and rebuild!

Trade a first rounder for Boldin!!!!!

/sarcasm

They're all overreacting. Some things do carry over, but the only real complaint I have is the injured secondary. Secondary comes back healthy, and qbs have to make decisions faster and more pressure comes from that.

Offensive slow starts come from learning new offense.

Preseason is about reps. Some things may carry over. But it's more about reps.

Pees is a very meh coordinator

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How I really feel? "Cautiously optimistic" just like every season.  Do not think we will be nearly as good in the beginning of the season as the end.  Given the schedule, that's an issue.  PIT will hit the ground running, being in the 2nd (or is it 3rd?) year of Haley's O.  I expect them to get off to a hot start, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if they don't.  Not sure what to expect from CIN but they won the division and are very talented.  We'll be good, potentially very good.

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Well, from what I have watched for many years, pre season has little or nothing to do with what regular season performance will be like. It's a time to look at prospects, and veterans, just by human nature, are not going full speed. While we can talk about who may or may not make the Team, no conclusions can be drawn as to how the Team will perform.

We all have watched enough football over the years to know this however, I believe that there are times when horrible preseason gameplay may spill over into a team's regular season gameplay.  Some of the same offensive ineptitude that I saw from the Ravens in their preseason last season (all those 3&outs) carried over into their regular season.

 

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I know I'm ready for the off-season to be over already.  I'm ready for the real games to start as soon as Webb and J Smith are healthy enough.

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So, we are a worse team than last year or we have a tougher schedule? I don't see either, but I'm curious.

We were 8-8 last year but easily could've been much much worse. I think the schedule is tougher this year and the defense will give up a lot more points (and the offense won't improve enough to compensate).

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We all have watched enough football over the years to know this however, I believe that there are times when horrible preseason gameplay may spill over into a team's regular season gameplay. Some of the same offensive ineptitude that I saw from the Ravens in their preseason last season (all those 3&outs) carried over into their regular season.

#Mili

Only good thing about that is that we averaged about 3 yards per carry both during the preaseason and regular reason last year. Lets hope this preseason run game carries over into the regular season as well.

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Our defense is no where near as good as it should be. It can't stop the run and can't bring ANY pressure to the QB. Suggs and dumervil aren't suppose to play every down anymore. I think we should seriously consider Elvis as trade bait at this point. We are incredibly weak at secondary right now as our only two CB's worth starting are injury prone and our two safety's are underwhelming. Our offense is hard to

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I was hoping, that the offense would look great and they did for one game only (really unsure about that pass protection in Dallas. Wasn't Monroe supposed to be out franshise LT?), but I EXPECTED, that the defense would dominate (where's that top 5 D Harbs?) and instead they look just as average as they did last year. Still, it's just pre-season, we won't know for sure until we have atleast seen the first 4 regular season games.

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We all have watched enough football over the years to know this however, I believe that there are times when horrible preseason gameplay may spill over into a team's regular season gameplay.  Some of the same offensive ineptitude that I saw from the Ravens in their preseason last season (all those 3&outs) carried over into their regular season.

 

#Mili

 

The offense is not, that much of a concern. They clearly can run the ball again and the passing game looked great in the first pre-season game. Obviously we improved on that side of the ball. 

The real problem is, what has improved on defense? Because I don't see anything there. 

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I feel like it's preseason and there's no reason to panic. Webb, Smith and Jackson weren't in the game. Did you guys expect the secondary to be great without them?

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We were 8-8 last year but easily could've been much much worse. I think the schedule is tougher this year and the defense will give up a lot more points (and the offense won't improve enough to compensate).

And of course, on the flip side, we lost 5 games by 7 points or under. Meaning, we could have easily eeked out another 1-5 games there.

If the O is AS bad a last year, then we need to can half the starting team and all the coordinators. If the D takes a step back, Pees needs to go.

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The offense is not, that much of a concern. They clearly can run the ball again and the passing game looked great in the first pre-season game. Obviously we improved on that side of the ball. 

The real problem is, what has improved on defense? Because I don't see anything there. 

 

After 2 games, I don't have confidence in either side of the ball; offense or defense at the moment!  I've seen nothing at all that really impressed me or clearly suggests to me that these Ravens will be totally different from last season.

 

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We all have watched enough football over the years to know this however, I believe that there are times when horrible preseason gameplay may spill over into a team's regular season gameplay.  Some of the same offensive ineptitude that I saw from the Ravens in their preseason last season (all those 3&outs) carried over into their regular season.

 

#Mili

 

 

IDK Mili, I just don't think pre season performance means squat. But I hate pre season, so..........  

 

What does become apparent is whether you have quality players to fill holes from the previous season. I think it was pretty obvious going into the regular season last year that key O line positions and TE were huge question marks. If they remain healthy, quality players have filled those holes. And the coaching changes will have to help. I don't think there are any worries on the offensive side no matter how they perform in the pre season. 

 

From what we've seen so far this pre season, we seem to be in some trouble filling the holes created by Digs and Graham's departure. Either some folks step up, or Oz works his magic and finds quality outcasts before the season starts.  

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After 2 games, I don't have confidence in either side of the ball; offense or defense at the moment!  I've seen nothing at all that really impressed me or clearly suggests to me that these Ravens will be totally different from last season.

 

#Mili

 

I get that. Last season was ugly and we are the Ravens, so expectations should be high. We won the freaking SB not that long ago. So I understand where you're coming from.

 

I'm still seeing improvement on offense over last year, though. Last year Flacco has thrown an INT in each of his first two pre-season games and Rice looked horrendous running the ball against really underwhelming Bucs and Falcons defenses.

 

I just hope it all comes together for the guys, when regular season starts. That early 4 games stretch is ROUGH. 3 games against division rivals. -_-

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I, for one, am excited! Ray Rice is one of my players (maybe has something to do with Rutgers Pride) but if he's going to pull off the same performance as last season or if the injury lingers on I feel like Lorenzo can easily fill in the same responsibilities. 

 

There's also a few more good points made on here. http://bal.scout.com/story/1435212-ravens-beat-cowboys-in-second-preseason-game?s=118

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IDK Mili, I just don't think pre season performance means squat. But I hate pre season, so..........  

 

What does become apparent is whether you have quality players to fill holes from the previous season. I think it was pretty obvious going into the regular season last year that key O line positions and TE were huge question marks. If they remain healthy, quality players have filled those holes. And the coaching changes will have to help. I don't think there are any worries on the offensive side no matter how they perform in the pre season. 

 

From what we've seen so far this pre season, we seem to be in some trouble filling the holes created by Digs and Graham's departure. Either some folks step up, or Oz works his magic and finds quality outcasts before the season starts.  

 

To some they don't!  I get what you mean.  However, to me, this is the time of year that the players have been waiting for!  To get on the field against another team to show what they got and are made of.  And when I see that being done so sloppy as our guys do from time to time it really ticks me off.  I get so sick of hearing all of the offseason "hype" about this or that and then I see the total opposite on the field.  That is why I always say the first 3 regular season games will say it all to me!

 

I get that. Last season was ugly and we are the Ravens, so expectations should be high. We won the freaking SB not that long ago. So I understand where you're coming from.

 

I'm still seeing improvement on offense over last year, though. Last year Flacco has thrown an INT in each of his first two pre-season games and Rice looked horrendous running the ball against really underwhelming Bucs and Falcons defenses.

 

I just hope it all comes together for the guys, when regular season starts. That early 4 games stretch is ROUGH. 3 games against division rivals. -_-

 

It's not just that we won the Super Bowl not long ago but it is how we look on the field and in the game!  Sure, we saw a little rushing attack in the 1st and 2nd preseason game but that is hardly proof that things have changed from last season imo.  But, you are right about the first 4 games.  The Ravens will have their hands full.

 

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How do I really feel?  I feel that people forget the 2008 Lions went 4-0 in the preseason, and the 2007 Dolphins went 2-2.  Combined for a 1-31 record.  The 2007 Patriots were 2-2 in the preseason, including 0-2 after the first 2 preseason games.  They didn't score more than 27 points in any of the 4 games, then preceded to put up nothing LESS than 34 points for the first 8 games of the regular season.  Preseason means absolutely nothing.

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How do I really feel?  I feel that people forget the 2008 Lions went 4-0 in the preseason, and the 2007 Dolphins went 2-2.  Combined for a 1-31 record.  The 2007 Patriots were 2-2 in the preseason, including 0-2 after the first 2 preseason games.  They didn't score more than 27 points in any of the 4 games, then preceded to put up nothing LESS than 34 points for the first 8 games of the regular season.  Preseason means absolutely nothing.

 

If that's the case; why have a preseason?  Why not just jump right into the regular season?  Preseason means "nothing" record wise but it means something!  I don't just quickly dismiss it's purpose or benefit to fielding a great team as most do.  I still want to see a good looking and playing team in the preseason as well as the regular season.

 

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It's not just that we won the Super Bowl not long ago but it is how we look on the field and in the game!  Sure, we saw a little rushing attack in the 1st and 2nd preseason game but that is hardly proof that things have changed from last season imo.  But, you are right about the first 4 games.  The Ravens will have their hands full.

 

#Mili

The thing the running game shows is that we're winning the physicality and synchronization wars. The D is whats worrying me.

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The thing the running game shows is that we're winning the physicality and synchronization wars. The D is whats worrying me.

 

I know this but I'm still not buying that our run game is back on track after 2 preseason games brah!

 

#Mili

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I know this but I'm still not buying that our run game is back on track after 2 preseason games brah!

 

#Mili

Yeah they gotta prove it coming out of the gate but imo Pierce is going to take a lot of carries away from Rice this year.

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I'm pleasantly optimistic. We look pretty good from my vantage point.

Oline

The oline looks much improved and they looked poised to open holes in the run game as well as pass protect. More than anything else this was the group we needed to get better.

Dline

We still don't seem to be stopping the run consistently. A vanilla d still should be able to stop the run. All the flavor is in rush packages and keeping the team unbalanced. We expected to have a strong core to get better but losing the two young DE's will hurt us as the year goes on and they aren't there improving as we go. Still the core of the Dline is solid.

Offensive Skill Positions

We've never had so many weapons and this offensive system looks like an improvement in and of itself. Flacco is getting time to throw to threats at WR, TE, RB, and FB but the ball is coming out faster as well. The running game looks completely different than last year. It looks good with 3 good backs in the stable. I am very optimistic.

The Secondary

Here I worry. Asa looked great and if the top 3 stay healthy we should be okay but Chykie has a limited skill set and the rest of the crew are very raw. The safeties also look raw and young despite decent play by Stewart and Elam. Essentially if we stay healthy we should be pretty good but that's a lot to ask from all 4 starting spots plus nickel. A lot of upside with the younger secondary players but a long way up too.

The Linebackers

We have so many pass rushers outside and so much depth inside I can't really complain but the inability to stop the run doesn't end with the Dline. I'm moderately concerned there but otherwise we are stacked at LB.

The Team

We have a good enough team to get into the playoffs but you never know how things shake out. An injury here or there could sink us, but we look good enough to make the playoffs and if we get hot late there's a shot at the title. It impossible to know but I feel good enough to enjoy the dream a little bit.

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