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Wonder if there is any interest in Samuel with us being thin at DB? with so many down, might not be a bad pick up.

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I'm sure he'd be here by now if we really wanted him.  I think it's quite obvious that we're not a fan of anything left on the bare market, and we're waiting to see if any other options become available.  Besides, at this point in his career, Samuel isn't much more than a name.  He was terrible last year.

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We would have brought him in with Ross and Franks if we were interested. I don't think we get a CB on the open market if we do get one unless they are a cut.

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At this point it pretty obvious that either teams think he's done or he's asking too much money. Either could be reason why he's on the market but I'm leaning towards him being done. He's 33 and, based off last year, he hasn't got much left in the tank, I suppose its not out of the realm of possibility to bring him in solely for depth but i don't think its likely at all. If we're going to sign someone it'll probably be a cut, if the FO was going to sign someone off the free market they would've done it by now so they can learn the playbook and get reps in the preseason, so a FA probably isn't going to happen.

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I'm in the minority but I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in. Now, if Webb, Smith and Asa/Chykie are healthy and can play there is not need for Asante. However, the Webb situation is concerning and if he can't play to start the season off, then Asante is not a terrible option. 

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At this point it pretty obvious that either teams think he's done or he's asking too much money. Either could be reason why he's on the market but I'm leaning towards him being done. He's 33 and, based off last year, he hasn't got much left in the tank, I suppose its not out of the realm of possibility to bring him in solely for depth but i don't think its likely at all. If we're going to sign someone it'll probably be a cut, if the FO was going to sign someone off the free market they would've done it by now so they can learn the playbook and get reps in the preseason, so a FA probably isn't going to happen.

 

Last year he was dealing with a thigh injury and maybe more which may had some dealings with his  performance atleast preventing him from playing at his best. Not sure if Samuel is a good fit for our secondary though

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Anyone saying No obviously hasn't seen what we're potentially going into the start of the season with as a secondary.

Any and everyone is worth a try...keyword try. If it doesn't look like its working. Let em walk.

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Anyone saying No obviously hasn't seen what we're potentially going into the start of the season with as a secondary.

Any and everyone is worth a try...keyword try. If it doesn't look like its working. Let em walk.

 

The whole "trying" period is pretty much over.  With training camp done, practices are heavy on game planning and not player evaluating.

 

Plus, you aren't getting Samuel for the minimum.  If you want him, you likely have to guarantee him something.  He's made it obvious to other teams that he has a price in mind or he'll call it a career.

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He's got nothing left. If we want a guy who can't cover any more we have plenty of rookies on the roster with upside, plus we have a ton of young safety prospects we like that might be willing to try and convert to CB to make the team. If Chykie, franks and company aren't up to snuff, cut em and carry seven safeties -- most are better special teams guys anyhow. In the mean time, teams are going to have to start cutting down to get to 53 pretty soon. Ozzie will find a roster casualty we like better then whomever we decide isn't cutting it. And that assumes we won't have Webb, Smith and Jackson ready to go by then.

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Oz and Co. look like they want to see what we have in the young boys and then jump on the scrap heap after roster cuts. We prefer not to pay top dollar or even medium dollar but we saved this last bit of cap room for a reason.

I wouldn't expect Asante to play for the minimum and I don't think he's the kind of corner we covet. That said if we were desperate and he was an upgrade we'd sign him and scheme away from his weaknesses. (We won't)

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The fact that he hasn't signed at this point leads me to believe he's asking for more money than any team is willing to pay him.

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It doesn't matter at this point but I would've liked to see the Ravens spend their money on Champ Bailey when he was a free agent. We have this extra money and Bailey got a super cheap deal with the Saints competitively speaking.

As for Samuels, I think that ship has sailed, personally. Perhaps he could be an effective safety, I don't know, but I wouldn't trust him at CB. It's also not that easy to change from CB to FS. Samuels really doesn't fit what we do here. Training camp is also over do he doesn't even provide competition.

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It doesn't matter at this point but I would've liked to see the Ravens spend their money on Champ Bailey when he was a free agent. We have this extra money and Bailey got a super cheap deal with the Saints competitively speaking.

As for Samuels, I think that ship has sailed, personally. Perhaps he could be an effective safety, I don't know, but I wouldn't trust him at CB. It's also not that easy to change from CB to FS. Samuels really doesn't fit what we do here. Training camp is also over do he doesn't even provide competition.

The only thing I say about Champ Bailey...  Also older...  our guys burned him bad in the playoffs....  So, not thinking he has a lot left either... and I know he's the kinda guy who is asking for top $$$ too.  Both of these guys need to understand that they aren't top corners anymore.

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The only thing I say about Champ Bailey... Also older... our guys burned him bad in the playoffs.... So, not thinking he has a lot left either... and I know he's the kinda guy who is asking for top $$$ too. Both of these guys need to understand that they aren't top corners anymore.

Champ got a deal for like two years at 3M total. That's like about 1.5m each year. That's peanuts.
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It doesn't matter at this point but I would've liked to see the Ravens spend their money on Champ Bailey when he was a free agent. We have this extra money and Bailey got a super cheap deal with the Saints competitively speaking.

As for Samuels, I think that ship has sailed, personally. Perhaps he could be an effective safety, I don't know, but I wouldn't trust him at CB. It's also not that easy to change from CB to FS. Samuels really doesn't fit what we do here. Training camp is also over do he doesn't even provide competition.

 

Well  from what I been seeing there is possibility Champ could be cut by The Saints. He hasn't been able to practice much in training camp and has missed two preseason games so far. For a guy his age sometimes it can be easy to be lost in sauce especially if the young guys are tearing it up in your absence.

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Well  from what I been seeing there is possibility Champ could be cut by The Saints. He hasn't been able to practice much in training camp and has missed two preseason games so far. For a guy his age sometimes it can be easy to be lost in sauce especially if the young guys are tearing it up in your absence.

Huh, that's interesting. Admittedly, I haven't followed other teams quite as closely as in years past. I just felt like he was a decent CB with experience who could perhaps help some of our younger CBs along and play a role in the defense. He's definitely older, but at like 1.5M or so that's cheap. 

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Well  from what I been seeing there is possibility Champ could be cut by The Saints. He hasn't been able to practice much in training camp and has missed two preseason games so far. For a guy his age sometimes it can be easy to be lost in sauce especially if the young guys are tearing it up in your absence.

Just what we need...someone else who can't get on the field. SMH

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Champ got a deal for like two years at 3M total. That's like about 1.5m each year. That's peanuts.

Just sayin' Grim....  We don't need anymore old guys...  We did that one last year with Clark and Stokley, and we all see how that worked out for us.

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It doesn't matter at this point but I would've liked to see the Ravens spend their money on Champ Bailey when he was a free agent. We have this extra money and Bailey got a super cheap deal with the Saints competitively speaking.

As for Samuels, I think that ship has sailed, personally. Perhaps he could be an effective safety, I don't know, but I wouldn't trust him at CB. It's also not that easy to change from CB to FS. Samuels really doesn't fit what we do here. Training camp is also over do he doesn't even provide competition.

Apparently when Champ has actually practiced, which isn't too often, he's looked terribly average. Stiff hips and slow. He's relying more on smarts than anything at this point, but even that isn't helping him
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ravens play alot of man cov with webb and smith and im not sure asante has enough left to excell in that role.

he would be a great zone guy though

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drayton florence was just released by the lions,,whats the deal with him,,, i did not want to start a bog,,,so help with the question please

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drayton florence was just released by the lions,,whats the deal with him,,, i did not want to start a bog,,,so help with the question please

 

We tried him out back when we signed Ross and Franks, and apparently it didn't go too well for him.

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ravens play alot of man cov with webb and smith and im not sure asante has enough left to excell in that role.he would be a great zone guy though

Asante didn't have enough to survive in man when he was in his prime. His whole career he has been a strict zone corner. He was great when his eyes were on the QB. At his age there is absolutely no way he would even be able to get on the field because he limits what you can do. We're better off with Jacobs and Olatoye. At least they have the potential to improve.

I do think we will add somebody either through trade or cut. I think I saw the Lions released Drayton Florence today. Not sure what the story is there, but I remember a lot of people on this board were begging for him.

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drayton florence was just released by the lions,,whats the deal with him,,, i did not want to start a bog,,,so help with the question please

 

If The Lions released him  then  well it possibly mean he's done as a player. The lions are a team that need help at cornerback just like us.

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No sense signing an over the hill guy. Let them ride off into the sunset. We have to look at either trade(we have excess in WR?)or a cut player. I'm really pulling hard for Jacobs,Brooks and Olatoye. Step it up fellas.

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there's two components of a football player, experience and skill. right now we have neither behind webb and smith so we my as well sign someone with experience.

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How about we try out some one like Chris Houston, Terrell Thomas, or Jabari Greer? I know both Houston and Thomas both have injury history, but they are both corners with starting experience younger than 30.

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