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The Ravens defeated the Cowboys last night 37-30 in the second preseason game for each team.   This is the first time Tony Romo got on the field and he looked like vintage Romo.  Early in the game Romo spotted the Ravens a 7 point lead by fumbling the hand-off to the RB DeMarco Murray.  After that Tony settled down and started making plays in and out of the pocket and he completed on 4/5 passes for 80 yard and a touchdown.  The Cowboys running and passing game looked solid and it really tested Dean Peesdefense.  The Ravens defense has potential to be good and potential to be bad as well.  They Ravens really struggled defending the outside runs just like last week vs. the 49ers. They also showed lack of corner depth.  After Jimmy Smith left the game, the secondary was getting picked on.  Overall the “bend but not break” defense did it’s job by holding the Cowboys to just 10 points in the first half but there is some concern.


 


Lets start with the linebacking core,  Terrell Suggs seemed to have trouble getting through the O-line on run plays.  He ended up chasing a few of the outside runs to the sidelines.   Suggs pass rush still looked strong he got around Tyron Smith on a couple of plays.  Could Terrell be becoming a pure pass rush specialist? Courtney Upshaw had the big touchdown off of the Romo fumbled but other then that he was just a body on the field.  He finished the night with a solo tackle and a touchdown.  Upshaw looks to be in great shape and this should be his best year yet.  Elvis Dumervil seemed like he was no where to be found besides the one pass defense.  I wonder if bringing in Elvis on passing downs is affecting Upshaw’s overall performance.  If these three players don’t step up on outside runs this could become a huge weakness for the Ravens.  You saw the Cowboys have lots of success running outside and then moderate success when they came back to the inside runs.  Daryl Smith, Arthur Brown and rookie CJ Mosley where all over the field but it seems like they all have similar skill sets.  The Ravens could really use a big body, 250 lbs linebacker playing down hill in the middle.  Mosley seems like he will become a very good linebacker but he needs to add about 10-15 lbs to his frame.  The linebacker core has the most depth on the defense and possibly whole team.  They should be playing at the highest level, recording lots of sacks and tackles. 


 


The defensive line were part of the reason why the cowboys had such a successful outside run game.  Where was Haloti Ngata?  Before the season started he was quoted saying he wan’t to have a 10 sack season.  Ngata is getting paid a lot of money to make impact plays and he could be the most overpaid player on the team.   I saw him on the field but if you look at the box score he didn’t record a single statistic.  Not good for a man that possesses that much strength (or used too).  Chris Canty is another player shooting for a better year then last but I couldn’t even tell you if he was playing.  The ONLY starter on the defensive line that had a good game is Brandon Williams.  He looks very stout at nose tackle and he has the strength and power to tie up more then one blocker, and looks good against inside runs.  If the Ravens are going to have a good defense this year it all starts here.   Pernell McFee is putting a good summer together he is listed as a linebacker but he may be a candidate to replace one of the struggling veterans.  McFee has been delivering punishing legal blows to the quarterback which is something that could help put the fear back into this defense. 


 


We can’t talk about the secondary without talking about corner depth.  After Jimmy Smith left the field with the chest injury it was painfully obvious that the Ravens lack serious depth.  Smith has been pretty dependable player health wise so I do expect him to play a full season.  Lardarius Webb injury history definitely leaves the Ravens corner situation a huge question.  Asa Jackson is talented but lacks the size to be able to fill in on the outside.  The ideal role for Webb and Jackson is in the slot.  Chykie Brown may have had his best night, but it still was not impressive.  Brown really lacks ball skills and being able to track the ball coming in.  One play stuck out to me, he got beat down the sidelines but recovered to make a nice deflection to break up the play.  In reality he got beat bad and if the ball wasn’t under thrown then it was a touchdown.  During that play Chykie never looked up to see the ball coming he just happened to get lucky when he threw his hands up.  I fear that Chykie may get more playing time then he deserves because of his size and the lack of outside corners on the roster.  Terrence Brooks is trying to find a role on this team and he was playing a lot of corner.  He was right there with most of the receiver but still aloud some catches.  Brooks appears to be a solid tackler, wrapping up on his two solo tackles. He has potential to become a corner this year if he can’t see the field at safety.  The safety group was really average.  Matt Elam has not been making impact plays.  The coaching staff believed that if he changed positions to strong safety it would fit him better.   So far he still is playing the same as last year and hasn’t done anything to impress.  He also has not had many negative plays which makes him an average safety.  This could possible be a downgrade at strong safety because James Ihedigbo was playing at a higher level.  Ihedigbo is now a Detroit Lion after free agency.  The last question mark on the defense is free safety.  Darian Stewart had a good game but wasn’t doing a lot of deep zone coverage.  They had Stewart playing up on the line and even blitzing a few times.  He made some nice tackles and had recorded a hit on the qb.  However he was not making the typical plays you would think a free safety would make like breaking up passes.  It makes me wonder if he could play strong safety at a higher level the Elam.  I wanted to see Will Hill in action tonight because he could be the one player that could change this whole secondary.  Hill is a highly rated free safety and I would be willing to bet he starts day one after his 6 game suspension.  Dean Pees would then have some options like moving Brooks to corner and having Stewart and Elam compete for the strong safety job.  


 


To sum up the defense, every position group has some positives and negatives.  Right now the defense looks average, but with all the high draft picks on this team they should be better.  They must be better then last year if they want to get back into the playoffs.  It still early in preseason but I do expect the Ravens defense to return to form this year.  Ozzie Newsome will make a move if needed.  He is most likely trying to find another outside corner to help out the secondary.  The Ravens have enough talent at defensive line and linebacker to make it work.  Veterans must show up to play and the young guys must pull their weight.  Playing average defense is not what the Baltimore Raven’s front office and fans are looking for.  Baltimore has a history of playing lights out defense and they are still striving to get back to that level.  Eventually they will get there but when will it happen?  They should get better as the season progresses and will receive an extra boast when Will Hill returns in week 7. 


 


Your thoughts? sorry for writing so much lol.


 


-Pete


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Well, I guess I'll break down a couple of things you talked about in the order you did talk about them. 

Terrell Suggs isn't really having trouble getting through the offensive line. He's having problems corralling himself. He's getting way too far upfield and is not setting the edge. That's a huge reason for the outside runs working as well as they do. Suggs is freelancing and it's getting the Ravens gashed. Upshaw wasn't really just another body. Not as spectacular as last week, but still stout on the edge. You talked about the Cowboys running up the middle and finding no success. Had you considered that they might not be trying to run up the middle, but Upshaw's edge setting may be forcing it that way? He's been playing pretty solid run defense. Dumervil had a decent game. Saw him pushing the pocket some and getting into the backfield. Just didn't hit home any.

 

Who cares if Ngata didn't record a single statistic? That's not really his game. He's there to hold his ground and create a wall. He ties up blockers so the linebackers can do their jobs. He does it well, and if he makes a tackle along the way, great, but you can't really measure his value on the box score. This preseason has actually been a decent one for him and with him not getting pushed around so much, he may be safe for next year.

 

That play on the ball by Brown was not luck at all. It was actually a really stellar play by a player who got beat. He knew he had no chance to turn around and play the ball, so he read the wide receiver, moved his arms with the receivers, and made a play. It wasn't under thrown or anything, just a great play. He was inconsistent in coverage and a shoddy tackler, but it was an awesome play. Ihedigbo wasn't playing at a higher level. Elam, in the two games, has been asked to play deep a lot more than I expected, and it likely goes back to wanting positional versatility. Brooks, Elam, and Stewart could play SS, FS, and slot CB in a pinch when needed. They're trying to give multiple looks. In an ideal world, the Ravens would have a better single high safety in there, such as Will Hill, but for now, they make do with what they have and mix up the looks. You're not going to want Stewart as your starting SS, though, because his underneath coverage and awareness is not up to snuff and his tackling overall can be shoddy. He's a better safety when in a two deep shell

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I suppose they are still working out which role the safety's will take.  You would think that Elam would play more up on the line but I guess we will see.  It's kind of interesting to think about what they will do with Brooks and Hill.  Chykie did make a good play for sure I think he will be fine if he starts looking for the ball more.  Yes its preseason it will take a while for everyone to get rolling with all the young players on D.  I think we will have a good defense this year, with most teams health will be important.

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Yes I take back the just a  body on the field thing with Upshaw.  I was trying to elude to he may be better overall player then we think.  If he got more PT.  Dumervil is so good with what he does though so its not happening yet.   I like what you said about Suggs he can work on that.

 

 I can really see this defense getting better as the season goes on and even improve more next year.

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I'm unhappy with quite a few players but none more than Elam. Perhaps I'm too hard on him but I'm surprised that he hasn't looked better so far. He really needs to turn it on. He's not having the impact I'd expect from him. I saw him just continue to lunge at guys hoping to make a tackle. It's still pre-season so we have time to see.

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Not really concerned with the play of Suggs/Dumervil/Ngata ... Those are vets that are getting through preseason games without getting injured, they are not giving 100%

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I wanna see more from Dumervile there were talks that he had a quiet camp and last season he disappeared down the stretch. If he is only gonna play mostly on 3rd downs he better play up to his level. It's only preseason so I woudn't really worry about our front 7 because they are way too talented to not play well. If our D looks bad it'll be secondary giving up plays.

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I'm unhappy with quite a few players but none more than Elam. Perhaps I'm too hard on him but I'm surprised that he hasn't looked better so far. He really needs to turn it on. He's not having the impact I'd expect from him. I saw him just continue to lunge at guys hoping to make a tackle. It's still pre-season so we have time to see.

I was gonna say. Who was the CB on our team that was burned consistently week two pre season? Jimmy smith.

Elam is bad in coverage but is unsurprisingly better vs the run.

There's still time, but even I am beginning to think bust.

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The defense was horrible....preseason or not!  Just terrible!  They need to clean that junk up!

 

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I beg to differ in regards to the run game, I'm curious to hear what you all think. Suggs has been a pass rushing specialist for a little while now, but Upshaw held down containment all game. I want to say the same with our defensive line, runs in between the tackles and to the (defense's) left side where shut down. 

 

The interior and and left side impressed me actually, because that is a very impressive offensive line that the Cowboys have built over there and yet they got very little movement over there. Suggs' pursuit angles were just picked apart if I recall. 

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I was gonna say. Who was the CB on our team that was burned consistently week two pre season? Jimmy smith.

Elam is bad in coverage but is unsurprisingly better vs the run.

There's still time, but even I am beginning to think bust.

Kinda wishing we took Cyprien honestly

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I was gonna say. Who was the CB on our team that was burned consistently week two pre season? Jimmy smith.

Elam is bad in coverage but is unsurprisingly better vs the run.

There's still time, but even I am beginning to think bust.

I feel like that's not necessarily a great correlation. Elam has had concerns coming out of college about his ability to play at the next level. Jimmy was considered one of the best CB in that class next to Peterson. Talent and ability were never questions but rather maturity. I'm also concerned because I saw him leap to tackle RB in the Dallas game. That was something he did at Florida and continues to do and it needs to stop but he hasn't corrected it yet.
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I beg to differ in regards to the run game, I'm curious to hear what you all think. Suggs has been a pass rushing specialist for a little while now, but Upshaw held down containment all game. I want to say the same with our defensive line, runs in between the tackles and to the (defense's) left side where shut down.

The interior and and left side impressed me actually, because that is a very impressive offensive line that the Cowboys have built over there and yet they got very little movement over there. Suggs' pursuit angles were just picked apart if I recall.

I don't think Suggs is a pass rush specialist. Definitely not for a while like you suggest. As for Upshaw, I'm personally sick of him as well. We need a more complete OLB. I don't hate Upshaw but he's not living up to that second round pick for an OLB. You expect those guys to develop into a complete player not remain a role/situational player.
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Mosley seems like he will become a very good linebacker but he needs to add about 10-15 lbs to his frame. 

 

Thereby losing his ability to run with TEs. Patrick Willis is 240 and Luke Kuechly is Mosley's weight at 235. Not only does their leanness allow them to cover tight ends, but also it allows them to play sideline to sideline. He'll be perfectly fine at his current weight.

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I beg to differ in regards to the run game, I'm curious to hear what you all think. Suggs has been a pass rushing specialist for a little while now, but Upshaw held down containment all game. I want to say the same with our defensive line, runs in between the tackles and to the (defense's) left side where shut down. 

 

The interior and and left side impressed me actually, because that is a very impressive offensive line that the Cowboys have built over there and yet they got very little movement over there. Suggs' pursuit angles were just picked apart if I recall. 

Sorry, Suggs is one of the best run defenders in the league and maybe the best 3-4 OLB against the run. he always has been, he one of those few guys that can do it all.  Dumervil is a good example of a sole pass rusher as was Kruger. 

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I was gonna say. Who was the CB on our team that was burned consistently week two pre season? Jimmy smith.

Elam is bad in coverage but is unsurprisingly better vs the run.

There's still time, but even I am beginning to think bust.

Way too early for that, my philosophy is give em three years first, or we would be calling Jimmy a complete and utter bust as well.

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I feel like that's not necessarily a great correlation. Elam has had concerns coming out of college about his ability to play at the next level. Jimmy was considered one of the best CB in that class next to Peterson. Talent and ability were never questions but rather maturity. I'm also concerned because I saw him leap to tackle RB in the Dallas game. That was something he did at Florida and continues to do and it needs to stop but he hasn't corrected it yet.

As hard as it is to admit(and I'm in no way saying Ozzie is done), Ozzie looks to have been off the Mark past couple of drafts. He's still an effective GM, and a pretty good one, but is overrated amongst the fanbase. They say in Ozzie we trust, and he usually puts together good teams. Hell, 2 SB winning teams. He's just been off the make drafting wise. While he hasn't gotten a bust in years(Kindle doesn't count. No way he could predict that) he hasn't gotten a star either(though Mosley looks like he's gonna break that trend). Dissapontments? Sure. Cody. Not a bust, he was a solid player, and a good rotational linemen. Not the monster we hoped he would be. Jah Reid. good pick at the time, but you can't teach stupid. Hell, he was even a starting guard at one point so while a dissapontment, not a bust. Upshaw? Not a bust but a major reach. Upshaw has actually turned himself into a pretty solid LB. That's not bad but for a high second rounder he should be better. Looks like Elam is added to the list.

But id give him time is my point. He may not have his fundamentals but he looked pretty good vs the run. He's got to get better in coverage, but I wouldn't write him off totally yet.

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As hard as it is to admit(and I'm in no way saying Ozzie is done), Ozzie looks to have been off the Mark past couple of drafts. He's still an effective GM, and a pretty good one, but is overrated amongst the fanbase. They say in Ozzie we trust, and he usually puts together good teams. Hell, 2 SB winning teams. He's just been off the make drafting wise. While he hasn't gotten a bust in years(Kindle doesn't count. No way he could predict that) he hasn't gotten a star either(though Mosley looks like he's gonna break that trend). Dissapontments? Sure. Cody. Not a bust, he was a solid player, and a good rotational linemen. Not the monster we hoped he would be. Jah Reid. good pick at the time, but you can't teach stupid. Hell, he was even a starting guard at one point so while a dissapontment, not a bust. Upshaw? Not a bust but a major reach. Upshaw has actually turned himself into a pretty solid LB. That's not bad but for a high second rounder he should be better. Looks like Elam is added to the list.

But id give him time is my point. He may not have his fundamentals but he looked pretty good vs the run. He's got to get better in coverage, but I wouldn't write him off totally yet.

Our recent drafts have been very underwhelming. Our last superstar was undrafted (Tucker).

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I suppose they are still working out which role the safety's will take.  You would think that Elam would play more up on the line but I guess we will see.  It's kind of interesting to think about what they will do with Brooks and Hill.  Chykie did make a good play for sure I think he will be fine if he starts looking for the ball more.  Yes its preseason it will take a while for everyone to get rolling with all the young players on D.  I think we will have a good defense this year, with most teams health will be important.

 

 

Yes I take back the just a  body on the field thing with Upshaw.  I was trying to elude to he may be better overall player then we think.  If he got more PT.  Dumervil is so good with what he does though so its not happening yet.   I like what you said about Suggs he can work on that.

 

 I can really see this defense getting better as the season goes on and even improve more next year.

It's very confusing to see Elam back there as a single high safety. Sure, he can play that role, but it doesn't fit him as well as it does to have him play as a run defender. He's much better making plays inside the box. And honestly, he's great at that role.

 

Chykie is probably best in that four spot/reserve role. He's probably not going to improve leaps and bounds. He has average awareness and just isn't getting better with route recognition. He also showed shoddy tackling. Right now, he's just too inconsistent to rely on, but in a pinch, he's alright.

 

Upshaw is a very excellent run defender and an underrated pass defender. He can't really turn and run with guys in man coverage, but he can really bully players off of the line, absolutely mauling them, and is pretty good in zone with good awareness and football smarts. He probably won't ever be a premier pass rusher, and it may be hard for him to ever really be a great pass rusher unless he drops like 15-20 pounds and gets down to like 255, 260, but are you losing that physicality then? 

 

Suggs is an excellent edge defender, one of the premiere ones for sure. His problem is that he does tend to freelance. The one that immediately comes to mind as an example is against the Lions on Reggie Bush's touchdown run. 

 

I sure hope you're right. Injuries are starting to take a toll and so is a lack of discipline.

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I'm unhappy with quite a few players but none more than Elam. Perhaps I'm too hard on him but I'm surprised that he hasn't looked better so far. He really needs to turn it on. He's not having the impact I'd expect from him. I saw him just continue to lunge at guys hoping to make a tackle. It's still pre-season so we have time to see.

It's preseason- A lot of guys aren't really standing out like how you'd expect them to at the moment. I'm hardly worried about it. 

Elam is playing a lot of deep zone coverage from what I've seen. It seems as if the coaching staff is trying to figure out exactly what they have in all of their safeties so that they can use a rotation of safeties to make up for the lack of cornerback depth. Elam's best games came at SS (Lions and Bears), so it would be very unwise of the coaching staff not to put him at SS, much like they have said they would this year.

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I don't think Suggs is a pass rush specialist. Definitely not for a while like you suggest. As for Upshaw, I'm personally sick of him as well. We need a more complete OLB. I don't hate Upshaw but he's not living up to that second round pick for an OLB. You expect those guys to develop into a complete player not remain a role/situational player.

I think he's living up to the second round pick. I think the expectations for a second round OLB are too high. You all are wanting him to be a premier pass rusher and so you completely ignore what he is good at. He's an excellent edge defender, an underrated pass defender with the ability to bully tight ends and get out in space as a zone defender, and he makes the defensive calls and did when Ray Lewis was here. Sure, he's no premier pass rusher and probably won't be a 10+ sack guy, although he could be a 5-7+ sack guy if he were to shed some weight. Either way, you're expecting way too much if you think he's going to be a 10+ sack guy. Think of where those pass rushers go. Suggs went 10th overall, Barr 9th, Clowney 1st, Williams 1st, Von Miller 2nd. That's a short list, but it shows you the value placed on pass rushers. You think you're going to get a premier pass rusher at 35? You'd be hard pressed to convince me of that.  

Upshaw is a starter and a really solid player in what he does. That's pretty good for a second round player. 

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I figure we have 3 wks of practice left, then 2 games, then a wk to work on the problems of the first 2 games. By all accounts, this team is bigger and better than last years, but also guys like Suggs and Ngata are a year older. By now the coaches know who the players are and are not. All efforts will be focused on molding a team of 53 the next few weeks. We have plenty of problems but there's lots to be positive about. Personally, I think the Ravens are a better than average team. But not that much better. 10-6 would be great but 9-7 seems more likely.


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As hard as it is to admit(and I'm in no way saying Ozzie is done), Ozzie looks to have been off the Mark past couple of drafts. He's still an effective GM, and a pretty good one, but is overrated amongst the fanbase. They say in Ozzie we trust, and he usually puts together good teams. Hell, 2 SB winning teams. He's just been off the make drafting wise. While he hasn't gotten a bust in years(Kindle doesn't count. No way he could predict that) he hasn't gotten a star either(though Mosley looks like he's gonna break that trend). Dissapontments? Sure. Cody. Not a bust, he was a solid player, and a good rotational linemen. Not the monster we hoped he would be. Jah Reid. good pick at the time, but you can't teach stupid. Hell, he was even a starting guard at one point so while a dissapontment, not a bust. Upshaw? Not a bust but a major reach. Upshaw has actually turned himself into a pretty solid LB. That's not bad but for a high second rounder he should be better. Looks like Elam is added to the list.

But id give him time is my point. He may not have his fundamentals but he looked pretty good vs the run. He's got to get better in coverage, but I wouldn't write him off totally yet.

Well, I can't ignore this statement. It's not Ozzie's fault. I do not blame him for prospects who didn't fulfill their expectations. I blame the coaches, to be frank. Not Ozzie. The onus does not fall entirely on him if at all. He brings the talent and the coaches need to coach it up and improve it. I'm not a fan of Upshaw. I wasn't when we drafted him. I'm still not. 

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I think he's living up to the second round pick. I think the expectations for a second round OLB are too high. You all are wanting him to be a premier pass rusher and so you completely ignore what he is good at. He's an excellent edge defender, an underrated pass defender with the ability to bully tight ends and get out in space as a zone defender, and he makes the defensive calls and did when Ray Lewis was here. Sure, he's no premier pass rusher and probably won't be a 10+ sack guy, although he could be a 5-7+ sack guy if he were to shed some weight. Either way, you're expecting way too much if you think he's going to be a 10+ sack guy. Think of where those pass rushers go. Suggs went 10th overall, Barr 9th, Clowney 1st, Williams 1st, Von Miller 2nd. That's a short list, but it shows you the value placed on pass rushers. You think you're going to get a premier pass rusher at 35? You'd be hard pressed to convince me of that.  

Upshaw is a starter and a really solid player in what he does. That's pretty good for a second round player. 

I know how good Upshaw is. I like his coverage. He is good at that, and it's an underrated aspect of his game. I remember him running well with TEs but to be honest, I suppose I just dislike how we're using him more than anything. Upshaw is a solid player, but I do hope for him to be a more complete LB when you go high in the 2nd round, especially when we didn't draft guys like Bobby Wagner (whom I really liked) or Cordy Glenn (could've solved our LT issues), Alshon Jeffrey (I wanted him back then), or even Lavonte David. Any of those would've been better to an extent than him. Not saying anything bad about Upshaw. I like him, but even then I wasn't a fan of the selection over those other players so I still criticize the selection. It doesn't matter, though, because he's a Raven so it is what it is. 

 

I will say, I think there's an extremely high probability we will select an OLB in the 1st or 2nd round next year. A 71% chance, actually. 

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As hard as it is to admit(and I'm in no way saying Ozzie is done), Ozzie looks to have been off the Mark past couple of drafts. He's still an effective GM, and a pretty good one, but is overrated amongst the fanbase. They say in Ozzie we trust, and he usually puts together good teams. Hell, 2 SB winning teams. He's just been off the make drafting wise. While he hasn't gotten a bust in years(Kindle doesn't count. No way he could predict that) he hasn't gotten a star either(though Mosley looks like he's gonna break that trend). Dissapontments? Sure. Cody. Not a bust, he was a solid player, and a good rotational linemen. Not the monster we hoped he would be. Jah Reid. good pick at the time, but you can't teach stupid. Hell, he was even a starting guard at one point so while a dissapontment, not a bust. Upshaw? Not a bust but a major reach. Upshaw has actually turned himself into a pretty solid LB. That's not bad but for a high second rounder he should be better. Looks like Elam is added to the list.

But id give him time is my point. He may not have his fundamentals but he looked pretty good vs the run. He's got to get better in coverage, but I wouldn't write him off totally yet.

I totally agree about Ozzie and I'm very disappointed though I do recognize I'm holding him and our scouting department to a higher standard. The entire NFL has gotten better at scouting and while Ozzie and co. are still up there at a high level I'm wondering why they haven't improved. We are still top 5 in my opinion but I can't lie and say I'm glad we aren't the absolute best in the league, because I expected we always would be, even when Ozzie retires. I think some picks will turn out to be absolutely on the mark like Jensen, Juice, Jernigan, Taliaferro, Williams, and Brooks but I do question whether we can get back to the dominance we were known for with how these picks are turning out like they do and whether or not we need higher picks to get those absolute studs. 

 

Well, I can't ignore this statement. It's not Ozzie's fault. I do not blame him for prospects who didn't fulfill their expectations. I blame the coaches, to be frank. Not Ozzie. The onus does not fall entirely on him if at all. He brings the talent and the coaches need to coach it up and improve it. I'm not a fan of Upshaw. I wasn't when we drafted him. I'm still not. 

I don't think it's all on Ozzie because he is one man(though a huge part) in the scouting department. Nevertheless it's not about prospects who didn't fulfill their expectations because a lot of these guys didn't have a high ceiling as some fans believed in the first place. Potential means much more than expectations and that's the point about guys like Upshaw who I believed were good fits in our system but low potential relative to other picks. I guess it's less risky to do things this way but the pick certainly goes against the motto "picking the best available". 

 

 

I know how good Upshaw is. I like his coverage. He is good at that, and it's an underrated aspect of his game. I remember him running well with TEs but to be honest, I suppose I just dislike how we're using him more than anything. Upshaw is a solid player, but I do hope for him to be a more complete LB when you go high in the 2nd round, especially when we didn't draft guys like Bobby Wagner (whom I really liked) or Cordy Glenn (could've solved our LT issues), Alshon Jeffrey (I wanted him back then), or even Lavonte David. Any of those would've been better to an extent than him. Not saying anything bad about Upshaw. I like him, but even then I wasn't a fan of the selection over those other players so I still criticize the selection. It doesn't matter, though, because he's a Raven so it is what it is. 

 

I will say, I think there's an extremely high probability we will select an OLB in the 1st or 2nd round next year. A 71% chance, actually. 

I hope he becomes a more complete LB but I doubt he fully gets there(but maybe Madden knows better than me they gave him a 88 pass rush rating) and i really wish we would have taken Wagner just on account of his athletic ability, I didn't even know Alshon existed back then. 

 

I love arbitrary(why not 70%) percentage numbers, always find them funny, I would love to see how this holds up come draft night next year because I think you are on the money.

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