Will it finally happen?

[Bltravens]

I still don't see how Jacoby could be the MVP.  He had 2 TDs that were huge plays no doubt, but he had a single catch in that entire game.  Just so happened to be a play the offense specifically designed off a Packers play to catch the 49ers in a bad defense for it. 

Flacco is the MVP of that game for me hands down.  Numerous huge and clutch plays.  He doesn't get enough credit for the drive that got us the FG with like 8min to go in the game that started in our own territory.  Thats just me though.

[flynismo]

I still don't see how Jacoby could be the MVP.  He had 2 TDs that were huge plays no doubt, but he had a single catch in that entire game.  Just so happened to be a play the offense specifically designed off a Packers play to catch the 49ers in a bad defense for it. 

Flacco is the MVP of that game for me hands down.  Numerous huge and clutch plays.  He doesn't get enough credit for the drive that got us the FG with like 8min to go in the game that started in our own territory.  Thats just me though.

Well, I don't think there is any doubt whatsoever Flacco was the MVP; I can at least understand why some people would argue for JJ. But the whole "defense saved the game from the inept second half perfomance of the offense" argument was one of the dumber debates I have ever seen here...and I've seen a lot of dumb arguments. I probably started half of them lmao

[5aiah]

Let me guess...you are one of the rare "truly objective" fans?

 

If you were, you would know what a pessimistic parasite is, and that it isn't just something "the blind homers" say.

Our discussion(and the ones before) highlight my point on objectivity. I know what a pessimistic parasite is but I also understand people will use words like that to put down others they have no intention of agreeing with or even meeting halfway. I also think that phrase is too harsh even for a majority of our pessimistic fans, but it's funny so whatever. 

[flynismo]

Our discussion(and the ones before) highlight my point on objectivity. I know what a pessimistic parasite is but I also understand people will use words like that to put down others they have no intention of agreeing with or even meeting halfway. I also think that phrase is too harsh even for a majority of our pessimistic fans, but it's funny so whatever. 

 

I'm not denying that. I do it myself all the time. Some opinions are so idiotic there is no way to compromise.

 

Now you are implying you understand more than just extremists say those things, but that's not the picture you were painting when you say

 

terms like "pessimistic parasite" are just words used by the extreme parts of the fan base for people who don't share their view

[5aiah]

I'm not denying that. I do it myself all the time. Some opinions are so idiotic there is no way to compromise.

 

Now you are implying you understand more than just extremists say those things, but that's not the picture you were painting when you say

No I find it's mainly just extremists, sorry if I implied otherwise. I haven't found many sports opinions to be without compromise(there's always a hole in both opinions) and only people from one extreme use that type of language, usually for the other extreme but sometimes for just anyone who doesn't agree even if they kinda fit in the middle. It's just something weird that I've noticed that doesn't carry over to the Orioles fan base.

[PolishRifle]

I still don't see how Jacoby could be the MVP.  He had 2 TDs that were huge plays no doubt, but he had a single catch in that entire game.  Just so happened to be a play the offense specifically designed off a Packers play to catch the 49ers in a bad defense for it. 

Flacco is the MVP of that game for me hands down.  Numerous huge and clutch plays.  He doesn't get enough credit for the drive that got us the FG with like 8min to go in the game that started in our own territory.  Thats just me though.

 

The Co-MVP award was given away once in SB 12 in the 70s. There is no way, especially if the QB played well (which Joe did), that you'll see a Co-MVP award given away these days. It's a conveniant excuse, however, to diminish any credit given to Flacco for leading us to that title. This way you have to choose between Joe and Jacoby and you still can imply, that Joe isn't as good as other QBs, that won that award before him.

 

Like saying, that people, who speculate about how well Joe will do this season should start caring how well the team will do (as if you couldn't do both). Or claiming, that "it's never Joe's fault", but someone elses, despite the fact that all we do around here is discuss Flacco's performance. My favorite is, that Tyrod hasn't gotten enough chances with the starters in real games and if you disagree with it, you're just biased against TT. The list of "rational" arguments goes on and on.

[PolishRifle]

There aren't enough fans who can be objective like I see in other fan bases. Our's is half full of haters who nitpick every little thing and excuse themselves because they are "hardcore fans", and on this particular site warranted a warning about from mods/veteran posters when I first got here. The other half is the other extreme who blindly and vehemently defend anything Ravens while making themselves(and Ravens fans in general) look like idiots. The Rice PR fiasco was a shining example of this. Nearly everyone in the country(Rice's own words and actions during the make up attempt allude to it as well) agrees it was badly done the first time around, but a select group had to defend it and make it seem like it was perfectly done or exactly what the situation called for.

 

You're comparing being supportive of Flacco to the Rice case? Really? The case about domestic abuse? Very rational comparison.

[flynismo]

This way you have to choose between Joe and Jacoby and you still can imply, that Joe isn't as good as other QBs, that won that award before him.

 

Bingo. I bet that 95% of the people who think JJ should have been MVP are the people who I referred to as "pessimistic parasites".

The people who argued the defense was the reason for the SB are the same ones who start the "Start Tyrod / Bulger" threads

[PolishRifle]

Flacco might not be as good as Brady, Brees, Peyton or Rodgers, but it makes ALOT more sense to me, to be a Ravens fan and actually think that he is the best QB in the league, than spend countless topics on a Baltimore Ravens messageboard going out of your way trying to convince people otherwise. 

[Inqui]

Flacco might not be as good as Brady, Brees, Peyton or Rodgers, but it makes ALOT more sense to me, to be a Ravens fan and actually think that he is the best QB in the league, than spend countless topics on a Baltimore Ravens messageboard going out of your way trying to convince people otherwise. 

If everyone had that attitude the forum would be pretty dead.

[5aiah]

You're comparing being supportive of Flacco to the Rice case? Really? The case about domestic abuse? Very rational comparison.

I actually wasn't really comparing the two, I'm sorry that's what you took from it. Just making an observation on how overly defensive we can be, whether it's Flacco having any flaws or the initial handling of the PR being a fiasco, and how anyone who criticizes or doesn't "toe the line" is called a Ravens hater or not a real fan, even if their position in a debate is moderate. Another thing is how we like to take things out of context or use straw men just so we can respond to a post.

 

 

Bingo. I bet that 95% of the people who think JJ should have been MVP are the people who I referred to as "pessimistic parasites".

The people who argued the defense was the reason for the SB are the same ones who start the "Start Tyrod / Bulger" threads

He did make two huge plays that were vital to the big run we had, but should he have been MVP alone considering Flacco shares responsibility for one of his TDs, no. That being said that term implies they are Ravens fans but why is it they get so much flak for what is a commonly held opinion among the public and gridiron football fans in general?

 

Again, you've been here longer than me and I left during the season once the "gloom and doom" started settling in but I've yet to see people say the defense was the sole reason for the SB. Also we all know those "Start so and so" threads are ridiculous.

 

 

Flacco might not be as good as Brady, Brees, Peyton or Rodgers, but it makes ALOT more sense to me, to be a Ravens fan and actually think that he is the best QB in the league, than spend countless topics on a Baltimore Ravens messageboard going out of your way trying to convince people otherwise. 

So it makes a lot more sense to just think Flacco is the best without checking out the facts or trying to broaden our view. Maybe if I was just a Ravens fan who didn't watch any other gridiron football or wished to debate with other sports fans. Imagine if we all thought like this, there would be no good sports debate, one of the biggest parts of sports period is fans debating among themselves. If we all just believed our favorite/team QB was the best without even thinking to test our points of view it would be sooooo boring, this goes for more than just QBs as well. It's not mainly about convincing anyone(at least not for me), it's about putting different points of view and arguments against each other and seeing which rings true when looking at objective evidence(whether that truly exists or not). It's fun man, I find it to be like a puzzle we all take part in,stimulates the mind while discussing something we all love, not a problem. 

[SecretAgentMan]

Bingo. I bet that 95% of the people who think JJ should have been MVP are the people who I referred to as "pessimistic parasites".

The people who argued the defense was the reason for the SB are the same ones who start the "Start Tyrod / Bulger" threads

Oh the start Tyrod thread. To link for the lolz or not to link?

[5aiah]

Oh the start Tyrod thread. To link for the lolz or not to link?

Link plz, I don't think I've seen it before.

[SecretAgentMan]

Link plz, I don't think I've seen it before.

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/50150-i-want-tyrod-taylor/

That's the thread

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/50150-i-want-tyrod-taylor/page-31

That's where it gets good (yes I went through all the posts... I'm bored).

As for will it happen? Yes. Because it has before. Flacco is an Eli. He gets the wins, not the stats, and I'm damn satisfied with that

[flynismo]

Link plz, I don't think I've seen it before.

You had to open that can of worms??

[flynismo]

Oh the start Tyrod thread. To link for the lolz or not to link?

I'm always down for some lolz 

[5aiah]

I'm always down for some lolz 

Now I understand why people mocked me for being "friends" with RBates. I swear i didn't know......

[flynismo]

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/50150-i-want-tyrod-taylor/

That's the thread

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/50150-i-want-tyrod-taylor/page-31

That's where it gets good (yes I went through all the posts... I'm bored).

As for will it happen? Yes. Because it has before. Flacco is an Eli. He gets the wins, not the stats, and I'm damn satisfied with that

The best part is....

 

Thread started off calling Flacco a disgrace to the game of football.....take note, this thread was started in December, 2012.

How's that for irony??

[flynismo]

Now I understand why people mocked me for being "friends" with RBates. I swear i didn't know......

haha, well, in your defense, the bible says that Satan is the great deciever....did I just compare RBates to Satan?? Why, yes, I think I did 

[5aiah]

haha, well, in your defense, the bible says that Satan is the great deciever....did I just compare RBates to Satan?? Why, yes, I think I did 

I didn't even know there were friends or how it works, removing him now. No wonder people think I'm a hater. 

[SecretAgentMan]

Hey now. C'mon. I wouldn't go that far fly. If you have to make fun of anything it's that looking back on it I sounded like a complete idiot in most of my posts back then(still do).

The best part is....

Thread started off calling Flacco a disgrace to the game of football.....take note, this thread was started in December, 2012.

How's that for irony??

In hindsight that is hilarious. Again. Answers the question it has happened. Just not for 16 games haha. Flacco loses the line and everyone goes crazy.

Also, him on Mark Sanchez's level of bad is just gold.

[5aiah]

Hey now. C'mon. I wouldn't go that far fly. If you have to make fun of anything it's that looking back on it I sounded like a complete idiot in most of my posts back then(still do).

In hindsight that is hilarious. Again. Answers the question it has happened. Just not for 16 games haha. Flacco loses the line and everyone goes crazy.

Also, him on Mark Sanchez's level of bad is just gold.

I think we all can agree this year expectations are high but the potential for Flacco to have a consistently good season are higher. Unless injuries strike as bad as they did last year he's not going to have any excuses and he might not even have them then. It's not about posting gaudy stats but performing at the highest level game in and game out and finally reaching his potential, because we haven't seen his best yet.

[Tru11]

how did this turn in a flacco debate and why are we still talking about the SB run lol.

Flacco one of the better QBs but he wont be elite till he becomes consistent over a full season.

SB was won by the entire team.

they all had let downs and top notch performances.

when a QB throws 3 TD and 0 INT in the SB he will be MVP lol

not much arguing there

[The Mom Gene]

how did this turn in a flacco debate and why are we still talking about the SB run lol.

Flacco one of the better QBs but he wont be elite till he becomes consistent over a full season.

SB was won by the entire team.

they all had let downs and top notch performances.

when a QB throws 3 TD and 0 INT in the SB he will be MVP lol

not much arguing there

I gotta agree with this one....  It's so right on.

[beanfigger]

Elite?  Whatever.  Brady, Manning, Rodgers blah, blah blah...

 

I know it's fun to compare players and make lists, but to use them as a basis for or against Flacco is pointless.  Why?  They are not Ravens and never were.  We didn't choose Flacco over them, so who cares if us fans do?  Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Eli, Roethlisberger, Rivers... They were already in the league on another team when Flacco was drafted, so we had no choice between them and Joe.  Aside from Peyton, none of them have even been a free agent since Joe was drafted (and we won a Superbowl with Joe the year after we "could have" gotten a free agent Peyton).  Even Ryan was drafted before our turn the same year Joe was drafted.  So compare away, but no reason for people to get upset either way. 

 

Let's instead focus on us drafting the last decent QB to enter a league for at least a four year.  Before the 2012 draft, who was the best QB drafted AFTER Joe?  Matthew freaking Stafford?  Give me a break.  Perhaps Luck is off to a good enough start to forecast that he might be better than Joe, but we would have limped around in limbo another four years after a terrible 2007 had we not drafted Joe.  Maybe we would have been in position after that terrible play to draft Luck, and he would have given our fan base a spark and inspired hope by winning some games in 2012.  Instead, we capped off five years of building momentum and experience with Joe and won the Superbowl that year.  Let's hear the guys fighting for QBs we actually neglected to make Ravens because of Joe.  Give us you best shot plugging Stafford and Kaepernick and Foles.  Even though you'll sound more ridiculous, your argument will actually make sense and have merit in a Flacco debate.

[Blackbirds Rule]

I think we all can agree this year expectations are high but the potential for Flacco to have a consistently good season are higher. Unless injuries strike as bad as they did last year he's not going to have any excuses and he might not even have them then. It's not about posting gaudy stats but performing at the highest level game in and game out and finally reaching his potential, because we haven't seen his best yet.

I agree and think barring key injuries this will be his best regular season of his career.

[TSizzle00]

Just get the W and win the Superbowl.