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Interesting Dilemma for Ravens OC

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Let's say the Ravens offense becomes top 5 in the league because of Gary Kubiak.

 

What will we have to do to keep Kubiak from become a head coach for another snaky team trying to steal him away ? Because I know quite well that it's going to happen.

 

Will we have to pay him head coach money? Should we make him assistant Head Coach? What?

 

I would like for him to stay for at least the next decade.

 

The Steelers were able to keep Dick Labeau for a life time as their D Coordinator.

 

What are the Steelers doing with Dick Labaeu to keep him there for a lifetime that we should implement to keep Kubiak as our Offensive Coordinator for a good 10-15 years if he is successful in his first year?

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It's because Dick wasn't a good HC. Couldn't coach offense. Gary was a pretty good HC who was stuck with a bad GM. I never thought he was the problem.

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Hopefully Steve pays to keep him. That would work.

Whatever Steve can throw on the table, some other team can throw more for a good HC
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It's because Dick wasn't a good HC. Couldn't coach offense. Gary was a pretty good HC who was stuck with a bad GM. I never thought he was the problem.

This. Dick coached cincy and failed

Didn't like it either. Kubiak likes being a hc and wants to do it again so what we do us develop staff behind him and hope they stay

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Let's say the Ravens offense becomes top 5 in the league because of Gary Kubiak.

 

What will we have to do to keep Kubiak from become a head coach for another snaky team trying to steal him away ? Because I know quite well that it's going to happen.

 

Will we have to pay him head coach money? Should we make him assistant Head Coach? What?

 

I would like for him to stay for at least the next decade.

 

The Steelers were able to keep Dick Labeau for a life time as their D Coordinator.

 

What are the Steelers doing with Dick Labaeu to keep him there for a lifetime that we should implement to keep Kubiak as our Offensive Coordinator for a good 10-15 years if he is successful in his first year?

Next decade?  Excuse you?  LeBeau has been in Pittsburgh for a lifetime because he never wants to be a HC again.  Loves defense with all his heart, all he wants to do, and he's phenomenal at it.  Kubiak on the other hand has been a HC, brought an expansion team that was garbage before him to a playoff contender and is generally regarded as one of the best offensive minds in football.

If he goes and doesn't take Dennison, Dennison will be our OC.  

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Whatever Steve can throw on the table, some other team can throw more for a good HC

My thought is that with his apparent health issues Kubiak may want to remain an OC. And I'm pretty sure Steve has paid DeCosta like a GM, so why not pay Kubiak as well. Mr. Biscotti is an astute businessman and knows where to spend.

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The fact that we have let countless awesome DC's walk says it all....Enjoy Kubiak and his system while you can....

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Next decade?  Excuse you?  LeBeau has been in Pittsburgh for a lifetime because he never wants to be a HC again.  Loves defense with all his heart, all he wants to do, and he's phenomenal at it.  Kubiak on the other hand has been a HC, brought an expansion team that was garbage before him to a playoff contender and is generally regarded as one of the best offensive minds in football.

If he goes and doesn't take Dennison, Dennison will be our OC.  

He'll take dennison though.  That's the problem.  we'll probably lose a good chunk of our offensive coaching staff if he goes.  But this is the kart before the horse

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From his introductory press conference:

 

 


Gary, how much is it in your ambition to be a head coach again down the line? (Aaron Wilson)

(KUBIAK) “I want to be the best offensive coordinator that I can be – that’s what I want to do. I don’t look down the road and at those types of things. I told John this when he first called me, I said, ‘John, you know what? I want a chance to enjoy coaching, teaching, and I want a chance to win. And I know you would offer me all those opportunities if this thing would work out.’ So really, for me, it’s just about getting back. It’s a tough thing to go through, but right now this has been the best day I’ve had in two months, because I’m so excited to be back in this league, to get back to work. I shook a few players’ hands today, I met a bunch of new coaches that I have tremendous respect for five minutes ago in the defensive staff, and that’s why I do what I do. That’s what I enjoy doing and enjoy being with those players. So, I’m looking forward to that.”

 

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/01/transcript-from-ravens-news-conference-introducing-kubiak-and-dennison/

 

Take that for what you will. I personally believe Kubiak does want to return to HCing and that he's a good enough coach and the offense will be successful enough to get him there (heck, if Caldwell could do it...). Whether that's 2015, 2016, etc I don't know.

 

LeBeau, as SAM said, was an awful HC and has spent 10 years in Pittsburgh (only been there since 2004) because he was in his mid 60s when he got hired for that, he's 76 now. Kubiak is in his 50s - actually turning 53 a week from today - which is average for an NFL HC; Harbaugh, for comparison, is 51.

 

edit - Also, money can be a powerful incentive but it all comes down to what the coach really wants: control over a team and the challenge / satisfaction that comes with it. Maybe I'm wrong and Kubiak wants to be in an OC capacity but that's not the way most of these guys are wired. They're competitors, they love the challenge, and they love battling at the highest levels.

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My thought is that with his apparent health issues Kubiak may want to remain an OC. And I'm pretty sure Steve has paid DeCosta like a GM, so why not pay Kubiak as well. Mr. Biscotti is an astute businessman and knows where to spend.

 

An excellent point. If Gary knows what's good for him he should look after his health. He shouldn't have more responsibilities and needs to stick to what he's good at, which is offense. Like I said we can pay him as a head coach and even make him an Assistant HC.

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You have to hope he hits Norv Turner status.  Where the boat has shipped as a HC.  I think if Kubes does really well with this offense for a year or two, he'll get another shot.  There won't be anything we can do to stop that besides suck.  

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I like what I've seen so far, but it also highlights what a huge mistake it was to hold on to Cam post 2011. Flacco came to his own atleast 2 years ago and we wasted all that time keeping that useless playbook. -_-

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It's because Dick wasn't a good HC. Couldn't coach offense. Gary was a pretty good HC who was stuck with a bad GM. I never thought he was the problem.

 

Yup Lebeau had been there, done that and doesn't want to be a head coach anymore. That is just something the Steelers got lucky with, as I'm sure he was contacted about other head coaching jobs in his tenure there. Most coaches want to be head coaches, it takes a very special set of circumstances to get a Lebeau. Unless the mini stroke has Gary concerned or gave him less desire for it, he will probably be a head coach again very soon.

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After his heart attack I think that could cross him off some teams lists as a HC automatically. Maybe we can keep him around for longer.

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Unless the mini stroke has Gary concerned or gave him less desire for it, he will probably be a head coach again very soon.

 

Thats my line of thinking. Being a HC of an NFL team is very stressful, and definitely played a part in his health issues. Baltimore is a top tier organization to work for as a coach though, and less stressful with a guy like Harbaugh as the HC. If he were to leave for an HC job, he'd most likely be going to an unstable franchise. Unless an opportunity to be the HC of a top organization came up, I see him sticking around for a while. 

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Thats my line of thinking. Being a HC of an NFL team is very stressful, and definitely played a part in his health issues. Baltimore is a top tier organization to work for as a coach though, and less stressful with a guy like Harbaugh as the HC. If he were to leave for an HC job, he'd most likely be going to an unstable franchise. Unless an opportunity to be the HC of a top organization came up, I see him sticking around for a while. 

 

You never know, I personally think Gary will want to be a HC again, but also maybe he would only change for the right team as well. Either way, lets just hope he and the offense have a solid year, then we can worry about where he goes. LOL

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Even if he leaves at least we will have a competant playbook for once.

 

Agreed. Success is a good dilemma to have. Remember when we wondered in the 2012 "but what if Joe wins a SB?"? I don't mind, I don't mind at all.

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My guess is that Kubes will want to stick as an OC. Just a hunch............

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He'll take dennison though.  That's the problem.  we'll probably lose a good chunk of our offensive coaching staff if he goes.  But this is the kart before the horse

 

That's not exactly a foregone conclusion. It's all Dennison's decision. Maybe he wants to step out of Kubiak's shadow and make his own name for himself? Maybe he really likes the stable franchise and talent he has to work with here? FWIW, he stayed in Denver 3 years after Kubiak left for the Texans.

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I think he's doing what he really loves and that is teaching and working directly with the players. That, coupled with being able to do it with a winning franchise might keep him satisfied to stay. A couple extra zero's wouldn't hurt either.

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Slightly off topic but still about Kubes, many Texans fans were happy that he was fired because he was conservative. How many times have we used that word about former OCs here?

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As others have pointed out, being a head coach is far more stressful I would have to imagine than being a coordinator so there is that as far as Kubiak's health goes.

My prediction? Even if our offense performs the way we think it will, we will still have Mr. Kubiak's services for next year and possibly '16. Consider how many new head coaches there are across the league the last two years and how many others are pretty secure in their jobs, I don't forsee much turnover this coming offseason anyway. The only HC I can think of who could be considered on the hotseat this year is possibly Rex Ryan and I don't really believe he will be myself.

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Slightly off topic but still about Kubes, many Texans fans were happy that he was fired because he was conservative. How many times have we used that word about former OCs here?

 

Becoming a head coach tends to do that to some successful coordinators.  But when they go back to being coordinators and back to doing what they do best, designing offenses/defenses, they tend to be successful and more aggressive.  Some coaches can handle the full spectrum of coaching, some can't.  

 

I also wouldn't say Cam was conservative.  He was more predictable, unable to make adjustments, and didn't highlight/hide our strengths/weaknesses. 

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Becoming a head coach tends to do that to some successful coordinators.  But when they go back to being coordinators and back to doing what they do best, designing offenses/defenses, they tend to be successful and more aggressive.  Some coaches can handle the full spectrum of coaching, some can't.  

 

I also wouldn't say Cam was conservative.  He was more predictable, unable to make adjustments, and didn't highlight/hide our strengths/weaknesses. 

Thanks for clarifying. I remember watching First Take the Monday after Schaub threw a pick 6 against the Seahawks and Jaws mentioned that the offense was predictable. 

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Thanks for clarifying. I remember watching First Take the Monday after Schaub threw a pick 6 against the Seahawks and Jaws mentioned that the offense was predictable. 

 

When all you have is Johnson and Daniels outside of the running game, defenses can kind of take something away and force a offense into predictability. This was the problem basically every time the Texans got behind in games. Schuab is a game manager and not much more imo.

 

However now you have a guy in Flacco that can run this offense as pass first and the run compliments it. Torrey, Smitty, Pitta, Juice, Coby, Brown, Rice and Daniels almost ensures that this offense will never be predictable imo. There is far too many ways to attack any defense with this offense. I was actually talking to a Pats fan at work and he was so excited about their DBs with Revis and Browner. So my question to him was while their DBs might be able to limit our WRs, what answer will the Pats have if we decide to got 2TE 1HB 1RB 1WR and focus on attacking their LBs and safeties off of play action. He basically had no answer. We have so many options.

 

Now of course we have the running game that should be really strong and I love the stable of backs we have. As for Kubes staying here, I think he will. He's mentioned how much he loves being able to teach again, and Dennison has recently mentioned how Kubes feels at home teaching as a OC. I don't think Mr B. will have any problem paying him higher then any other OC. I think Mr B. will make it tough for Kubes to walk away and having Ozzie's draft and player evaluation team will spoil Kubes. He will be put in position to where he doesn't have to leave unless he has the absolute prefect situation as a HC and there aren't many of those out there.

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When all you have is Johnson and Daniels outside of the running game, defenses can kind of take something away and force a offense into predictability. This was the problem basically every time the Texans got behind in games. Schuab is a game manager and not much more imo.

 

However now you have a guy in Flacco that can run this offense as pass first and the run compliments it. Torrey, Smitty, Pitta, Juice, Coby, Brown, Rice and Daniels almost ensures that this offense will never be predictable imo. There is far too many ways to attack any defense with this offense. I was actually talking to a Pats fan at work and he was so excited about their DBs with Revis and Browner. So my question to him was while their DBs might be able to limit our WRs, what answer will the Pats have if we decide to got 2TE 1HB 1RB 1WR and focus on attacking their LBs and safeties off of play action. He basically had no answer. We have so many options.

 

Now of course we have the running game that should be really strong and I love the stable of backs we have. As for Kubes staying here, I think he will. He's mentioned how much he loves being able to teach again, and Dennison has recently mentioned how Kubes feels at home teaching as a OC. I don't think Mr B. will have any problem paying him higher then any other OC. I think Mr B. will make it tough for Kubes to walk away and having Ozzie's draft and player evaluation team will spoil Kubes. He will be put in position to where he doesn't have to leave unless he has the absolute prefect situation as a HC and there aren't many of those out there.

Now this. I feel a lot more comfortable going forward. Thank you good sir. 

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